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Old 08-01-2007, 04:40 PM   #341
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your screen name reflects that wisdom ROFLMAO!!
LMAO I will neither confirm nor deny any said reference to my screen name and aforementioned fact in previous post

ps i may be a dumb backwards militant radical tradtionalist but im not stoopid lol
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Well you coulda fooled me. Name calling usually follows when someone feels a need to defend themselves... so if it's not defensive it's a superiority complex or a need to belittle others for your own amusement?
Or he's short & got that napoleon complex

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So Blackbear brings up a good point,

Zeke what is so great & wounderful about assimilation that makes you all want to convert us. Seriously your worse then a vegitarian & their thirst for conversion. Methods are similar too. name calling, reference to backwardness & stupidity, no good reason.

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P.S. someone please quote so Zeke can see & respond
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So Blackbear brings up a good point,

Zeke what is so great & wounderful about assimilation that makes you all want to convert us. Seriously your worse then a vegitarian & their thirst for conversion. Methods are similar too. name calling, reference to backwardness & stupidity, no good reason.

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P.S. someone please quote so Zeke can see & respond
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Or he's short & got that napoleon complex

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No seriously.. I'm not "going off" so to speak. I'm doing what us Haudenosaunee are known for... debating in a diplomatic manner with a twist of down to earth woman thrown in there with the blah blah blah..LOL!

But a debate is not what I'm getting... I'm just being told I'm wrong.
must be genetic, all haudenosaunee wiminz seem to be like that
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How about getting back on track with the original question.

What is most important to you, that Whites know about our people?

Perhaps looking at a few other questions may help.

What are the most common myths and stereotypes about NDN people that you would like to see dissolved?

How who you go about educating the dominant White society about the truths concerning NDN people?

Is it more important for white society to be educated on the detailed diversity of hundreds of different tribes and nations with different cultures, traditions and languages, or is it more important for white society to be educated on the true common factors that are found in all NDN (Indigenous) cultures?

Is it important that white society knows that NDN people can come together at Pow-Wows, with different cultural backgrounds, yet be unified in their desire to be good and kind and helpful, and show high ideals of sharing and giving?
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How about getting back on track with the original question.

What is most important to you, that Whites know about our people?

Perhaps looking at a few other questions may help.

What are the most common myths and stereotypes about NDN people that you would like to see dissolved?

How who you go about educating the dominant White society about the truths concerning NDN people?

Is it more important for white society to be educated on the detailed diversity of hundreds of different tribes and nations with different cultures, traditions and languages, or is it more important for white society to be educated on the true common factors that are found in all NDN (Indigenous) cultures?

Is it important that white society knows that NDN people can come together at Pow-Wows, with different cultural backgrounds, yet be unified in their desire to be good and kind and helpful, and show high ideals of sharing and giving?
Those are some good questions Historian.

I think there should be some balanced awareness of NDN diveristy/similarity. What I mean is that none of US even know the details of the traditions, cultures and languages of every other tribe. We need to teach them that there are some similarities - oral history and the communication of traditions, respect for elders, respect for warriors/veterans, and the like, but balance that with the fact that there is no 1 "Indian language" or culture or religion, for example.

I think dissolving stereotypes is an uphill battle. Much of predominant native history, especially books you'd find at your local library, was written by non-NDNs and has a skewed perspective. Even little things like the translation of place name meanings are presented incorrectly. With the Internet, there is even more opportunity for incorrect information to be shared. I think having the NMAI and sites like Powwows.com does a lot to point those wanting an accurate picture of "nativeness" in the right direction. I think having more NDNs in mainstream media, such as movies, music, and the like will help, but we have generations of Hollywood misconceptions of NDNs to overcome. Finally, there are the schools. I know that in some states, like the Dakotas, they are doing a lot to increase the accuracy of what is being taught in the schools about Native history and culture, but more needs to be done. Here in Wisconsin, what I've found is that there is spotty education, and somewhat narrow in scope. My kids have been taught a lot about the prehistoric NDNs, the Mound Builders who lived here thousands of years ago, but very little about modern Native culture. Even then, perhaps justifiably so, it is centered around the peoples who are indigenous to our locale, the Potawatami, Oneida, Menominee, Winnebago, etc. It would be nice if they were at least told that not all NDNs live the ways these people did, that NDNs of the plains, the Southwest, Southeast, Northwest and Northeast have different traditions.

I like the idea of your last question, showing how we can come together at powwows and share. I think that should be communicated clearly by the MC throughout a powwow, teaching the spectators about how the powwow brings us together, how we may have differences in our regalia, but a similarity in our attitudes. That's why it was kind of disheartening to see how this thread turned over the course of time. Anybody who is non-Native reading this would wonder why we attack each other so aggressively, if we supposedly hold so much in common.

Kind of a lengthy post - thanks for asking these questions and stimulating more spirited discussion.


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How about getting back on track with the original question.

What is most important to you, that Whites know about our people?

Perhaps looking at a few other questions may help.

What are the most common myths and stereotypes about NDN people that you would like to see dissolved?

How who you go about educating the dominant White society about the truths concerning NDN people?

Is it more important for white society to be educated on the detailed diversity of hundreds of different tribes and nations with different cultures, traditions and languages, or is it more important for white society to be educated on the true common factors that are found in all NDN (Indigenous) cultures?

Is it important that white society knows that NDN people can come together at Pow-Wows, with different cultural backgrounds, yet be unified in their desire to be good and kind and helpful, and show high ideals of sharing and giving?
As far as myths to be dissolved, I think the begining of this thread was covering that well if I remember.

I don't think whites need to know about all the diversity between our people but they need to know that it is there, that we are different Nations with different cultures but that yep, we got true common factors as you say

I think it is very important for whites to learn that dispite all our differences we do come together, celebrate together, powwow together etc. I think this is the 2nd most important thing that they learn about us. Here's why i think so. Most of the wars have been between Christians, Jews & Muslims, three religions that have more in common with each other compared to all the different NDN Nations, yet from the crusades to today it's just holy war after holy war. I think these three religions could learn a hell of a lot from us.

The other important thing that North Americans need to learn about us is history, from the last 500 years up to currant events. They need to learn that when they say, "well that was hundreds of years ago, it's not my fault, blah blah, blah" that they are responsible for what is happening today on the American continents, because it is not over. They need to learn about what the treatys actually say, what a treaty means, what the international community considers a treaty to be, that under international law, just because a treaty is old, doesn't mean that you can forget about it etc, etc. They need to learn the definition of genocide as described by the Geneva convention. They need to know that Blacks were not the only people enslaved & that Jews were not the only or the largest genocide. Then maybe they will understand why we are ticked off & still fighting. i could go on but I think I've made my point.

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Yeah, ditto what she said!

And although I'm sure it's already been said, but this goes out to all non Indians. Please put your self imposed-self entitlement ideas aside at powwows. I'm sick of people snapping my picture without my permission! Sure, I know powwows have their photographers and all, but when people just snap me because they can't wait to show it on some powerpoint when they get home "looky at the Indian I met!" knowing full well they never even ask my name!

okay, i'm through ranting.
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Well, I've been gone and beading till I'm blind. Thank you Suzze for your apology.
I don't know but maybe it has to be where I live right now, but the new thing going on with the White teenagers here is something that I hadn't heard of before. I saw a bumper sticker on a jeep that says, "Snow boarding Squaw" and had read it out loud to my self sitting next to my daughter.
She in turn says, "Oh yeah, the kids are into that in school". So I asked her what the Squaw useage was about and she said that the White kids, most of which she says are stoners, say that when they snow board that they are one with their ancestors of the mountains. So I asked, what ancestors and why squaw? She said that what they are referring to is, that although they have NO Native ancestory, they say that it's racist to other races not to be able to claim a heritage that's reserved for NDN's only! So they claim to be Native because they can feel it course through their bodies while high and snow boarding! Ya know, when they feeling one with the mountain!

Need I really say how I wish Whites knew that this is just absurd? But for those who don't know that.....IT'S ABSURD! Be proud of who you are!
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Well, I've been gone and beading till I'm blind. Thank you Suzze for your apology.
I don't know but maybe it has to be where I live right now, but the new thing going on with the White teenagers here is something that I hadn't heard of before. I saw a bumper sticker on a jeep that says, "Snow boarding Squaw" and had read it out loud to my self sitting next to my daughter.
She in turn says, "Oh yeah, the kids are into that in school". So I asked her what the Squaw useage was about and she said that the White kids, most of which she says are stoners, say that when they snow board that they are one with their ancestors of the mountains. So I asked, what ancestors and why squaw? She said that what they are referring to is, that although they have NO Native ancestory, they say that it's racist to other races not to be able to claim a heritage that's reserved for NDN's only! So they claim to be Native because they can feel it course through their bodies while high and snow boarding! Ya know, when they feeling one with the mountain!

Need I really say how I wish Whites knew that this is just absurd? But for those who don't know that.....IT'S ABSURD! Be proud of who you are!
Wow that is ridiculous! Maybe your daughter could tell those kids at school what squaw really means! DAYUM!
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Well, I've been gone and beading till I'm blind. Thank you Suzze for your apology.
I don't know but maybe it has to be where I live right now, but the new thing going on with the White teenagers here is something that I hadn't heard of before. I saw a bumper sticker on a jeep that says, "Snow boarding Squaw" and had read it out loud to my self sitting next to my daughter.
She in turn says, "Oh yeah, the kids are into that in school". So I asked her what the Squaw useage was about and she said that the White kids, most of which she says are stoners, say that when they snow board that they are one with their ancestors of the mountains. So I asked, what ancestors and why squaw? She said that what they are referring to is, that although they have NO Native ancestory, they say that it's racist to other races not to be able to claim a heritage that's reserved for NDN's only! So they claim to be Native because they can feel it course through their bodies while high and snow boarding! Ya know, when they feeling one with the mountain!

Need I really say how I wish Whites knew that this is just absurd? But for those who don't know that.....IT'S ABSURD! Be proud of who you are!



They claim it's racist to other races not to be able to claim a heritage that's reserved for NDN's only? What kind of cocka-maimy navajo navaja-hambo garbage is that???

It just goes to show that they still want to steal what we have. Why just not claim some kind of Celtic or Germanic Ancestry? Their ancestors were tribal too. Like Doy! I'm offended at their use of that word.

I want whites to leave our customs alone and to be proud of where they came from and do their own damn research on their ancestry and be proud to be from their own continent and its rich ancient tribal cultures.

And or Just Be Proud Of Where and Who You Came From.

Our ways and customs are for us and not them. Granted you have some whites going to Sweats and what not, but who am I to talk smack about that...?


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that although they have NO Native ancestory, they say that it's racist to other races not to be able to claim a heritage that's reserved for NDN's only! So they claim to be Native because they can feel it course through their bodies while high and snow boarding! Ya know, when they feeling one with the mountain!

Need I really say how I wish Whites knew that this is just absurd? But for those who don't know that.....IT'S ABSURD! Be proud of who you are!
WTF? I actually re-read this a few times. For Real? Is this why wannabe's get so ticked? Cause they think we're being racist for saying they aren't what they aren't? IS this why certain people on this board say it's not blood that makes us NDN? Damn, I am just going to be retreating right back into my NDN only circle of friends so we can happily be left alone to laugh at these people.
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Old 08-20-2007, 10:35 PM   #357
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Suzze, it's probably about the drugs more than anything else! Lol!
But seriously, when Whites think that NDN's are always high on peyote and that NDN's get over on the government and get to use it without consequence, for the purpose of recreation, there's a problem. I have been told over the years by many young people that, that is why they want to be NDN, cause NDN's get to use the good stuff and just call it religion, har har, wink wink.
Also when you see what's considered Native American art there are typically many elements to that art that are new age and depict a strange mystical picture that makes an "NDN" look like an alien, and not of this world. When you get asked by a White if you can shape shift and can they see you do it, like your an attraction at a carnival, there's a problem! When people think there is some strange mist in the air that follows us or appears around us because we are NDN, it's a problem. When people think that eagles, foxes, wolves, tigers, lions, "Oh My" all flock to us if we sit outside, it's a problem!
I want Whites to know that NDN's "DON'T" run around "high all the time" because it's not our culture to do that. Most don't get high at all for that matter!
I also want them to know that we are normal people just like them except for how we choose to live or believe. That there are cultural differences that they may envy and want to emulate, but that it doesn't make them NDN. It makes it a good way to live, or path to follow, but it doesn't translate into DNA.
I think that people search for meaning in life, and when they find something that translates into family, community, fellowship, purpose, and pride, they want to belong to that. Many cultures have lost those things, which leaves people wanting what they don't have amongst their own. We should be flattered that they see that in us.
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I want non-natives to know:
-That we are not all drunks or druggies, there are many of us out there who don't even touch alcohol or drugs; and the ones who do have their own issues just like a person from any other race on the planet. Look at all the alcoholics or druggies in the non-native communities!
-That we're not all lazy and fat and have no jobs. We do have jobs, and not just in a McDonalds, but in large professional companies; we have white-collar jobs too. The ones who don't have jobs, most likely can't find one, there's a glass ceiling there that we can't always break, therefore some of us are unable to move on professionally especially without an education...which brings me to my next point:
-Not all of us are un-educated! I go to a private high school, and I'm planning on going to a college next year. I believe that if we were all presented with this opportunity, we'd all take it! The reasoning for many kids not going onto college, is that we don't always have the educational teaching resources that provide our ndn kids to go onto persuing an education in a non-native society.
-That we don't carry magic pouches with secret rocks and seagull feathers to protect us from the devil. Most of us hate those tshirts with the 'indian maiden' playing with her 'wolf sisters' on them. We don't have animal totems or spirits that are our guides or show up in various places to protect us.
-That there is no such thing as speaking Indian! If you are in India, there is still no such thing as speaking Indian! They speak Santhali, Sindhi, Tamil, Telugu, among many others. A Native person who speaks Lakota is not going to even come close to understanding a person who speaks Cherokee or Diné. Also the people who speak Algonquin up in Maniwaki, the language is COMPLETELY different than the Algonquin language that is spoken in Massachusetts or Rhode Island.
-We do not all worship the same! Some of us belong to the Native American Church, some of us are Christians and Catholics, some of us may not be religious at all.
-Our tribal customs and our relationships with the governments are different. And not all Indians have casinos! My tribe doesn't have one (even though we're pushing for it, but the state keeps getting in the way [it's complicated]). And we don't all necessaraly need to have one to raise money or preserve our culture.
-Our culture is not preserved in books or museums, it is preserved through our elders, our mothers, our fathers, our children. When we go to powwows, it's not like going to a convention or a recreation of a wild west show. We do not wear costumes; costumes are for pretend or 'make believe'; we wear regalia if we dance or go to ceremony. Regalia is our way of displaying our tribe, our artwork, our traditions. If we could, we'd wear it every day! Powwow is not just an event for the tourists, it's for ourselves. It's something that makes me and many others so incredibly happy. It's a natural high we get from dancing, singing, eating, connecting with old friends and family, making new ones, finding a new love (or snag lol). It's how we connect with the Creator. Non-natives come in and they hear the drums and the singing and see the 'wild' dancers, and they may think 'savages are still doing this?' But little do they realize that powwow and ceremony are the heartbeat of our nation, without your heartbeat, you die. Without our heartbeat, we die. And we have never lost our heartbeat, we're still here and we're not going away! People want us to go away, but we won't! We were always here on this continent, put here by the Creator to take care of it, and yes we've been moved around on it, but we're still on it, and we will always remain. This is Indian Country, it always has been, and it alway will be.
-Lastly: being Native...ITS NOT OUR SUBCULTURE!!! Yes, we may be here typing this up on a computer, in a house or a library or a community center somewhere, with electricity all around us. But just because we don't live in a teepee, or a wetu, or a longhouse, or a hogan without electricity and running water, does not mean it's our subculture! Just because when we're at a powwow and not all of us are dressed in regalia, or dressed in fabric regalia with glass beads, does not mean that we don't live Indian every day! We may get up every morning and brush our teeth with a piece of plastic and Colgate toothpaste(I hope you all do brush your teeth!), and turn on the CD player while making breakfast, but in that CD player we may have a Northern Cree CD playing. We have not been conquered or assimilated or absorbed into western culture, but we have learned to adapt and live with it. Whether we are half blooded or full blooded, we all live in two worlds, and if you live with your cultural and spiritual beliefs every day...your subculture is not Indian, but it's American or Canadian. I've had issues with people telling me that Indian is my subculture because I have a television and a laptop, but little do they know on that television I watch videos of powwows and Smoke Signals, and on that laptop I'm able to find people on this website who are like me, people who are Indian and can understand where I'm coming from. And for that, I am thankful.

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