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Old 01-19-2004, 01:58 AM   #1
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Post What is your defination of an Indian

I know, this will probably be blasted by some folks, I'll be called names by others, and it may have already been covered (couldn’t find it).. BUT

What makes a person an Indian??

Personally, I think it matters more then just their blood quantum, I think it also matters how they act, how they talk, how they think, how they feel.
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Uh .... being descended from an Indian ancestor?

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I roger that and agree completly, having Native descent is important, but is that the only thing that's important?
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Old 01-19-2004, 08:35 AM   #4
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Being adopted as a youngster I feel that "pride and dignity" are needed to stand tall and openly show your pride when you walk the walk, blood alone may never show you your heritage, you can be a full blood but be ignorant as heck. Not being racist or judgemental helps too. Helping instead of laughing. Trusting instead of theiving. But this can go on and on with all the teachings of being civil. Guiding the young instead of getting drunk or drugged up. Don't get a fix from drugs, help a youngster see a better future. My 5 cents for today!
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Being Indian is all those good things. Actually, being human is also.
But, to me first and foremost, one must have Indian blood to even be considered an Indian.

Adopted into a family is just that. No one can ever claim to be anything else except adoption into a family. That doesn't make anyone an Indian whether they learn the language, ceremonies or anything like that. They earn respect by doing these things, but, they are not Indian.

I don't buy any of that crap that people with 1/16 blood say they are more Indian than a 4/4 blood. They say this because they go to a couple of sweats or burn a bit of sweetgrass.

Some of my family are ardent church-goers. They are good people.They are just as much Indian as I am. We respect each other. We all stick up for our Native rights. They care about other people the same as you or I. They cry when I cry. They're happy when something good happens to someone. They are Indian just the same as the thousands of other Indians who choose to take another path.

We just worship differently.
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Seems like it would be an easy question to answer but it is not , does it mean how much are you or how much (Indianess) if that is a word , do you have? Being Indian in my own mind is simple to me , I am not 4/4 but have lived being Indian everyday of my life thru the good and the bad, seeing my grandsons born, being spit in the face at our Fish Wars seeing the signs Spear and Indian Save a Walleye, the true hate of a whiteman towards towards our peope, but I guess just living it every day, not just when I choose like alot of people I know, is being Indian to me. That make any sense Niij? You know the good with the bad and you still are who you are.
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Seems like it would be an easy question to answer but it is not , does it mean how much are you or how much (Indianess) if that is a word , do you have? Being Indian in my own mind is simple to me , I am not 4/4 but have lived being Indian everyday of my life thru the good and the bad, seeing my grandsons born, being spit in the face at our Fish Wars seeing the signs Spear and Indian Save a Walleye, the true hate of a whiteman towards towards our peope, but I guess just living it every day, not just when I choose like alot of people I know, is being Indian to me. That make any sense Niij? You know the good with the bad and you still are who you are.
Good post.

Walking side by side in a demonstration, war, looking down the end of a gun with Indians of different lifestyle other than ours shows respect for each other. Those armed policeman eyeing us up couldn't differenciate(sp) who was Catholic, Protestant or traditional.
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Being Indian is all those good things. Actually, being human is also.
But, to me first and foremost, one must have Indian blood to even be considered an Indian.

Adopted into a family is just that. No one can ever claim to be anything else except adoption into a family. That doesn't make anyone an Indian whether they learn the language, ceremonies or anything like that. They earn respect by doing these things, but, they are not Indian.

I don't buy any of that crap that people with 1/16 blood say they are more Indian than a 4/4 blood. They say this because they go to a couple of sweats or burn a bit of sweetgrass.

Some of my family are ardent church-goers. They are good people.They are just as much Indian as I am. We respect each other. We all stick up for our Native rights. They care about other people the same as you or I. They cry when I cry. They're happy when something good happens to someone. They are Indian just the same as the thousands of other Indians who choose to take another path.

We just worship differently.
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Defination of an Indian

My thoughts are..... knowing where we come from, the history of our ancestors, our traditions, heritage and culture.
Understanding all Nations efforts to improve on their conditions for the people. To put forth the effort to learn, to hold our heads high, to walk a peaceful road and to set the examples for our young and the ancestors yet to come.
To educate people in the truth of what being of Native Blood truly is and not the Hollywood version. To learn to take care of one another, to help when and where needed.
Honor our Elders by hearing the words that are spoken and understanding what is being said. Knowing when to ask when we don't understand and to look upon one another as brothers and sisters in this circle of life.
Take care of each other and to live the way the Creator intended for us to live. Never forget the spirits that live in all things that the Creator brought forth upon this world! Remember what our fathers, mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers lived and died for.
Seek to improve. In short know where we come from and know where we are going. Being Human but yet smile with the knowledge of mysteries that our ancestors gave us to protect. Let no one take from us that which is to remain with the People. Honor the knowledge and protect it for those yet to come.
These are my thoughts as to what being Indian is!
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Definition of American Indian

I would say first BLOOD, then culture and perspective.... all the other good qualities mentioned .. are things that I would hope could be found in all ethnicities of the two-legged kind.

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I can't say it any better than it has been said. But blood comes first. I am a little tired of meeting folks who are Indians at heart...
They may be spiritual people, or care for the earth or a million other good things, but loving rice doesn't make me a chinaman. I have said elswhere to treat visitors with respect, but know when you are a visitor.
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"but loving rice doesn't make me a chinaman":D :D

I have never heard it so succintly put, bravo

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Anishnawbe –Meaning of this word, First people, Original people, First man. In many books and websites, they state that we are Algonquin stock. However they are wrong, we recognize our selves as Anishnawbe stock. We speak the Anishnawbe language. Ojibways, Ojibwa, Ojibwe, Ojicree, Cree, Chippewa, Potawatomi, etc. Many elders told me that the Nishnawbe people were a big family at one time, before the whites came to this land. Many of us know these old stories and other stories that been past down. To learn more go to the Midaywin ceremonies and listen to the elder speak and you will learn the past and will be brighter for the future. These things I talk about are not my words, but from the elders stories.


Being your self... living it, born into it. i grew up in northern Ontario Canada, where I come from the people still today live off the land. Some live the old way.

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I was born with Lakota blood, and some from elsewhere, but for argument's sake I'll use the fact that I have NO German blood in this example.

I was born a Lakota, I will always be a Lakota, I will die a Lakota. I cannot change that. If I surround myself with traditions, I will be a traditional Lakota. If I never sing another song, hit another drum, or even look at another eagle feather in my entire life I will still be a Lakota - just a contemporary one who does not practice his people's ways.

Since I have no German blood, I will never be German. I can learn to live German traditions, move to Germany and attain German citizenship, but even that will not make me a German. If I fall in love with everything German, learn the language fluently, study ancient Teutonic culture and religion, don leiderhosen and learn to play the tuba while standing in a gazebo, even design the next Daimler-Benz SUV, even then I will not be a German. I will still be a LAKOTA, as I was born, with Lakota blood.

Your BLOOD is what makes you an Indian. Nothing else. Yes the traditions are good, they are what your people have passed on to you. But taking them from you will not take away the fact that you ARE and Indian. Adopting them will not make someone ELSE an Indian. We are what we are. They are what they are. Each with some purpose, somewhere. That is why we have survived for so many generations. Many of our ancestors and elders have survived childhoods of severe abuse and torture - even sexual - at the hands of white Christian missionaries at the boarding schools. They were forced to cut their hair short and to wear strange clothing, deprived of their language, their songs, and their fellowship with the Spirits. Yet they came out STILL Indian because they were BORN Indian, and today they continue to provide us with a doorway to the old ways.

Non-Indians come to us because they can SEE that there is something REAL that they have been deprived in their own society. Some have been invited in, some grew up on or near the rez and just know the ways because of their Indian friends since childhood. They have a place. Others just see and want to take, and then think they are experts after visiting a few web sites or reading a few books. Yet they have a place, too (far away from us - LOL). Whether they are invited or not, whether they "respect" us or not, they are NOT Indians and will never be. Those who are welcome amongst us tend to the be the ones who accept that fact, accept their own true heritage and accept their place as "visitors" and "guests" to our cultural table. That place is still a place of honor and should not be abused.
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attain German citizenship, but even that will not make me a German
actually, that would make you a German as far as they're concerned, people don't see things the same way in europe as here, they don't get why Americans continue to call themselves German or Irish or Spanish because as far as they're concerned, Americans aren't any of those things, they're American. I know people who have moved from Ireland to France and become citizens, and they call themselves French not Irish, and so do the French. Even though there are historical "racial" roots to different European nations, they don't look at it that way, it's all about citizenship.
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If you have chokecherry eyes and bannock thighs. Oh and if you toes have an uncanny resemblance to potatoes.

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