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Old 10-27-2004, 12:14 PM   #81
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i'm sorry..but people can help it..if you go to a powwow to "learn" but you go with a closed mind?? puhleeeeze...wuts the point in that??...the lady saw me sittin there..she could have asked...but she didn't...i'm not goin to go out of my way to "show people the truth"...thats like sayin...white people think ndnz are nuttin but drunks...ignorance...sterotyping...am i supposed to go to every white person and prove them wrong??...becuz they can't help being ignorant and they need someone to show them the truth??...don't think so...maybe there are some people who are more understanding then i am...but i can't tolerate it...
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Where I come from, we get to choose how we react, i.e., feel about something. Why should I worry myself with what white people prefer to believe about us? They haven't gotten it right yet to the best of my knowledge.

And speaking of knowledge.....:)

My grandmother once said, "You know, we can probably keep the kids off drugs, but I'm not sure about that grass stuff. It grows in every yard!"

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My grandmother once said, "You know, we can probably keep the kids off drugs, but I'm not sure about that grass stuff. It grows in every yard!"
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...white people think ndnz are nuttin but drunks...ignorance...sterotyping...am i supposed to go to every white person and prove them wrong??...becuz they can't help being ignorant and they need someone to show them the truth??...

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You're right.

Only because the majority of Americans have never met a "real Indian" (who in their minds is identifiably Indian).

So it is up to you and I in our little parts of the world to be a good example that "Indians can make it in their world while being proud of their culture and history in ours."
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Old 10-29-2004, 01:10 AM   #85
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I think theres a really good thread in Norther Tradish Dancing...goes with this topic..look under "I need help with my dance team"...tell me what yall think cuz it looks like this one is getting more replies.
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White People have been involved with our lives for over 500 years. Right or Wrong, positve or negative, they will continue. I view powwows as a chance for non-natives to get a chance to see real indians, to hear these real indians sing, to talk to them. I dont mind people coming up and talking to me. They usually ask questions in a respectful way. Yes, sometimes you get the apple that fell far from the tree that has to be an idiot. Powwows are a place where ignorance can be replaced with a little knowledge of a people who have withstood the worst hate crimes anyone can imagine. My question is where was this fascination with our culture 200 years ago? Where were all the people wanting to be ndnz?
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Boy Scouts Dancing ?

That thread on Northern Tradish is really something, there seems to be alot of us white folks on there thinking it's okay to do native dancing using the excuse they are trying to educate the public on native ways. Like I've said before I have been around native people allmost all my life and I for one would never ever be so arrogant as to think I could educate anyone on native cultures. If they as boy scouts want to dress up as NDNs and try to do native dancing do it in privacy. Because they say they have some native giving them advice then that person should advise them the same. I'm not going to say anymore because the more I get into this the more p**sed off I'm getting, for them to try and do this in public would disgrace the native culture as well as me. Just my views as a white person with respect for the "Native Culture" it's Yours not mine.

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here's an example, feedback please...

so, on the "offensive/nuisance scale' where does this fit in?

Chris Roberts of Montana. When I first started pow-wowing he was photographing at pow-wows. He published at least two purty lookin' books that I know of. A Brit by birth his family had moved to the US, after vacationing here and in Canada before that. He mentions in his book that he was active in Boy Scouts starting an Order of the Arrow Indian Dance Team.He built a fancy dance outfit and danced at Arlee for the Fourth of July in 68 or 69. He also danced Grass and No Tradish. In his first book he features a picture of his son, Corey, at the United Peoples Pow-wow in Missoula being honored and given an Indian name, etc. So, what's the take on this? Is it okay for some, and not others?
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It is good for all of us to remember that Native Americans come not only from within the States and as in my case we can pass for white I live in Texas and it is hard to find any other Huron people so my blue eyes and lighter skin make the people wonder however the red road is the same for all who wish to walk it and I pray to the four winds that the gathering that is comming soon will include brothers and sisters from all different nations and of different appearances. If an white man or woman comes to a pow wow and comes away with a better understand of our ways then we have done our jobs, if they do not see the beauty and joy we feel in our dancing and singing then I pity them because it is their ignorance that blocks their path to the Father Creator. That it all I have to say on this.

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i dont mind seeing white ppl at powwows...i dont see whats the big deal...i mean sa long as their respectful and keep an eye on their kids...how else are white ppl gonna learn whats proper and whats not ya know?
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I had to post something about this topic too. I mind my manners too at powwows. I've ndn kids cut up at powwows I told them to mind your manners too. I was taking a foreign exchange student I was working with to a powwow he never been to one before I taught him about powwow manners too.
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I haven't visited PowWow.com in a while. Boy topics haven't changed that much huh.
I haven't been to a lot of pow wows recently. Usually my family and I visit quite a few up and down the east coast. Lately they have left a bitter taste in my mouth. Here on the east coast the whites are the people that get a lot of attention at the pow wows. What I mean is visitors or dancers its all excepted. I use to dance for my husband who is a Desert Storm vet and is a drummer or maybe at times is an emcee or for my daughter who couldn't be at a certain powwow because of school or work. I was asked not to dance because I was not Native. But I see a lot of whites that are danced in for one reason or another. This makes me angry because I am married to a beautiful NDN man and have a beautiful NDN child. The whites that I do know are like me married to NDN men the only difference is they are allowed to dance. So whats the difference. I have seen whites come to powwow go from vendor to vendor go to their cars and poof come back NDN or leave blonde and come back next week with black hair. This really trips me out. Are their people out there that actually don't know what they are that they have to take on an identity starting with the NDN people. I have met so many Cherokee people in the 13 years I have followed the circuit. One lady had the nerves to ask was there a school or program she could join where she could learn the dances. Of course she was Cherokee. I told her that I thought that dancing was either born in you or you watch the elders in your community. Oh well, what do I know. My husband and daughter both had it in their blood.
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Thank you for your understanding , if we could all be more understanding and tolerant of others than there would be no questions like this. The key is in the teaching and the learining.
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ROFLMAO.. actually people are digging up old topics that had faded away and dissappeared.. check out the dates on the first post
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i don't see what the big deal is about. we go to clubs and act the fool, so whats the big deal here. you're just as racist as the next guy if it bothers you that much. me, being a navajo and also a singer, doesn't let these little things bother me. you've got to be the bigger person.
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White People have been involved with our lives for over 500 years. Right or Wrong, positve or negative, they will continue. I view powwows as a chance for non-natives to get a chance to see real indians, to hear these real indians sing, to talk to them. I dont mind people coming up and talking to me. They usually ask questions in a respectful way. Yes, sometimes you get the apple that fell far from the tree that has to be an idiot. Powwows are a place where ignorance can be replaced with a little knowledge of a people who have withstood the worst hate crimes anyone can imagine. My question is where was this fascination with our culture 200 years ago? Where were all the people wanting to be ndnz?
my sentiments exactly - where were they? hey, even 50 years ago no one wanted to be an NDN - especially, in tri-segregated robeson county where i'm from - i'm sorry, but every aspect of indian culture is not meant to be appropriated - i'm fine w/any non-Indian watching and learning, but, it stops there - Let us have SOMETHING w/o people infringing upon it -I mean, some Plains NDN people don't even like it that powwows have become Pan-Indian -

Let's be realistic here.......would you see masses of white people/other races SO interested in an African traditional dance? Would they travel to a lot of traditional gatherings in their kangas and daishikis? No, you never see that....But, for some reason everyone wants to get in on NDN culture. And, 3/4 of the time, the motives aren't sincere. They either become a know it all or an Indian. Let us celebrate who we are and what our people fought for (when it wasn't cool to be NDN)- it's a legacy that should not be open for membership - hey, call me prejudice if you want, but we all wouldn't be here if we weren't for our own to a certain degree -

and, i get really tired of white people on this board who whine about NDN peoples' opinions that may differ from theirs -for all "intents and purposes"/intensive purposes, this is an NDN board, with our perspectives, beliefs and experiences - would you join an African American or Arab American chat board and expect a parallel experience?

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club music and traditional ndn music are not comparable at all -
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awww Hell,
I wasn't gonna say nothin. But it gets my goat too.
Especially when they've obviously never been to a pau wau or around ndn's
and then come with some real fake eagle feathers(like we all use eagle feathers)
in their hair and that costume stuff you get a costum store for a party.
One instance that sticks out for me; was about 12 years ago I was
dancing at the Monacan Pau Wau in Lynchburg Virginia. Since I look
wht to some & ndn to others I've gotten used to it.
But I was actually asked by a wht couple if I was associated with the
boyscouts. I was dumbfounded, they thought I was some nauger tryin
to get my "Native Spirit" on.
Either way, unless it's an intertribal, I don't think they should be dancing
unless their adopted.
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or like this one time i heard this white lady tellin her kid that one of the tradish dancers wuz the "chief of the powwow" and said to him "notice their big noses??"...and why do they assume we all smoke n get high??...ignorance at its best...something i have no time for..
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how I smoke mary jane in my pipe & just don't want
to admit it.
I've even had one tell me her high school history teacher
told her that crap.
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