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Old 10-19-2005, 06:24 PM   #121
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? things are getting heated, should i sit this one out?
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:37 PM   #122
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? things are getting heated, should i sit this one out?
Hi
Yes they are getting little overheated about this topic. So this train is sitting on the side for a while until we have a signal that is red over green for the hokahey sign.
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The only thing that irritates me about white people claiming Indian is if they only do it when it's convenient to them. If they are out and about working and living and having friends over and none of them even know they're native. What's that say? If they are only native b/c they want to know what benefits they can get from their tribe. We have to be native all the time when you're dark skinned. We can't quit being native. I think that's what is irritating about hobbyists and wannabes.


But really....how come no one brought up Asians at pow wows? they go out there and dance and video tape (we don't know if it's live internet feed) and take pics WHILE they're in the arena dancing around. NO ONE HAS BROUGHT THIS UP.


LMAO Got dang.

had to say something. This thread is getting ridiculous.

Speak da truth girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have had to say, "excuse me" a few times too many to tourists with their cameras. One thing I hate, regardless of race, DON'T YOU DARE TAKE MY DAUGHTER'S PICTURE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!

MATTER OF FACT, DON'T SNAP HER AT ALL!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:59 PM   #124
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Speak da truth girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have had to say, "excuse me" a few times too many to tourists with their cameras. One thing I hate, regardless of race, DON'T YOU DARE TAKE MY DAUGHTER'S PICTURE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!

MATTER OF FACT, DON'T SNAP HER AT ALL!!!!!!!!!
Hi
I agree with you on this one.
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This is an old thread, but it has been a good read.
I am white, raised white, But I have some native blood from my Fathers side of the family. I have been attending powwows for many years and have danced with only a shawl when invited to during intertriabals, or two step,or round dance.
I have been taking my daughter with me since she was 2, she has learned much about the ettiquette of powwows and the Native culture. She too has been invited to dance on occasion during childrens dances.
I have tried to explain to her how europeans came here and what the effects of that invasion have caused the Native American people. In fact this columbus day at school the teacher was trying to explain to the children what Columbus did and my little one told her and the class that he the Nina , Pinta and the Santa Maria made everyone sick and took the Natives land away..

Ok.. she is in kindergarten. Her explaination got me a call from the teacher. I wont go into that discussion but lets say I am not high on the teachers list of favorite parents anymore..
A perfect example of how the Truth hurts.

Powwows are a way of sharing Native culture, That to me is the only way any white people will ever know. Most white people have no clue about Natives. Especially out East here.
My girl calls people light skinned and brown skinned, not black, white red or yellow. I am proud of the fact that she knows about so many different cultures at her age, I can only hope it will make her a better adult.

When we go to powwows she generally hears the Drum long before she actually ever sees anyone and gets very excited. Usually in the parking lot she sees someone changing into their regallia and Always says.. LOOK MOM its an Indian! We are here. I always try to hush her and say yes this is a Native Amerian Powow, you will see Indians here. This is their Culture. I hope to explain to her in the future not to say these things , but for now I hope she is forgiven because she is young.
Back on topic here... I think there are some Powwows that white folks should not attend and others that are more than happy to have white people attend.
Forgive me if I jumped around on this, but I am tired and cannot find all the words I want to express.
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Old 10-20-2005, 06:43 PM   #126
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No one should ever take a picture of anyones child with out a parents permission, its just creepy otherwise.
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Well I'm black and Indian so I've got my own set of problems!

I was watching a Documentary the other day and they made a comment about how it is 'chic' to be Indian now a days.

I found that to be an interesting statement. This doc was 10 years old, doesn't seem much has changed. When I tell people my make up they roll their eyes (non ndns). I say "what?" They don't believe me for some reason. Like why would I make it up? But I don't care.

Anyway...I digress.
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:13 PM   #128
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You are so right! We must all look past the exterior of an individual to see what the heart is truly like. I have been very blessed to be allowed to learn from several Lakota elders and medicine people. I have been following the red road for several years and have studied many forms of healing and shamanic work. When I look at a person, the qualities and goodness radiating from that individual is what attracts me to him/her. I love going to powwows so I can see people who respect and live their cultures express this with the joy of dancing and singing. My Italian grandfather was a man who loved and respected all people, no matter their race or culture. He taught this to my mother who, in turn, taught this to me. My Canadian French father's family is proud to have native Micmac blood. It is understandable for Native people to be upset at white powwow visitors who show disrespect, but most old dogs can learn new tricks. All it takes is patience, understanding, and a dose of teaching.
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YEAH, and I wasn't talking about those who just want to learn their heritage. Maybe you should reread my thread. I was talking about those who are native ONLY when it's convenient. Your reply doesn't pertain to my statement. If you want to learn about your culture, that's great.
But if you're claiming native, you better be like the guy in BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT if you are going to claim native and not look it.


Got dang. (asam alam lata)


LMAO. Someone HAS GOT TO GET THAT.
sorry i probably misread yar post...its easy to do that when its on line thang... but i agree with ya theres alot of ppl that just want the money and its wrong....
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Old 10-21-2005, 10:25 AM   #130
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Be a smart alec about it next time.. just look at them wide eyed and in disbelief and then look over your shoulders frantically and go.. WHERE???
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dance with only a shawl when invited to during intertriabals,
and when we go my boys always help out the elders, never take pictures with out permission. last year my son overheard a couple of girls he was checking out, & one of them said somthing like... look at all the Indians I didn't know the were so many & laughing boy did it pi ss him of he came up to them & told them thre dumb a$$es he also asked them to stay & learn more about them.
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Old 10-21-2005, 10:35 AM   #131
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sorry i probably misread yar post...its easy to do that when its on line thang... but i agree with ya theres alot of ppl that just want the money and its wrong....

It's all gravy. Anyone in music education is cool in my book. I was a music major for a short period of time. *L* But realized I just loved playing, not teaching. (Couldn't pass Music Theory and freaked when I found out there were FOUR years of it! *L*)
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I work in the real world all week long. When I go to powwow, I go to be amongst my own kind. People who I share things with, like history culture and stuff. I don't want to see white people til I go back to work the next monday. Call me crazy, but I feel superior to white people in that I was born beautiful and brown. And it's not like I hate them or anything, cuz I don't hate anyone, but for a little while can't it just be all native with no pretention.
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I have no problem with white people at pow wows. I think it is importiant that we all learn about the different cultures of the world, but when i go to an opera you don't see me dressed up as the phantom. This is just a personal opinion but when I see a chi mook dressed up like an ndn it just doesnt look right no matter how nice the outfit is. Those people look about as natural as I would if i were dressed up in a daishiki trying to look like lemont in that old epesode of Sanford and Son.
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I have no problem with white people at pow wows. I think it is importiant that we all learn about the different cultures of the world, but when i go to an opera you don't see me dressed up as the phantom. This is just a personal opinion but when I see a chi mook dressed up like an ndn it just doesnt look right no matter how nice the outfit is. Those people look about as natural as I would if i were dressed up in a daishiki trying to look like lemont in that old epesode of Sanford and Son.

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I have no problem with white people at pow wows. I think it is importiant that we all learn about the different cultures of the world, but when i go to an opera you don't see me dressed up as the phantom. This is just a personal opinion but when I see a chi mook dressed up like an ndn it just doesnt look right no matter how nice the outfit is. Those people look about as natural as I would if i were dressed up in a daishiki trying to look like lemont in that old epesode of Sanford and Son.
I was just watching the Travel Channel in Scotland, at the Edinburgh Tatoo, which is kind of like a Scottish powwow. There are men dressed in kilts and military regalia, marching and playing bagpipes. JAPANESE men in kilts and military regalia, marching and playing bagpipes. Not natural, but not all that bad, really. The Scotts apparently like it because bagpipers from all over the world are in the Tatoo.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but most of the powwows I've atended had printed programs. the little booklets that lists the vendors, advertisers and schedule. Wouldn't that be the best spot to list the rules and customs of the powwow for everyone?
things like phtography, participation, noise, seating and aome educational stuff like the use of sage and the belife about women on the moon cycle...
true not everyone would read it. but it might reach more ppl than usual.
or even just post a sign at the entrance. the basic rules and if you don't folow them, no matter who you are, you will be ejected.

maybe something like that would help with the behavior?
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I have no problem with white people at pow wows. I think it is importiant that we all learn about the different cultures of the world, but when i go to an opera you don't see me dressed up as the phantom. This is just a personal opinion but when I see a chi mook dressed up like an ndn it just doesnt look right no matter how nice the outfit is. Those people look about as natural as I would if i were dressed up in a daishiki trying to look like lemont in that old epesode of Sanford and Son.

LMAoo goot point....


Ohh the Phantom of the Opera Is Neeearr... In side Muh Miiiiinddd...( not sure them the correct words...) roflmaooo

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Mille Lacs/Hinkley does something like that
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but most of the powwows I've atended had printed programs. the little booklets that lists the vendors, advertisers and schedule. Wouldn't that be the best spot to list the rules and customs of the powwow for everyone?
things like phtography, participation, noise, seating and aome educational stuff like the use of sage and the belife about women on the moon cycle...
true not everyone would read it. but it might reach more ppl than usual.
or even just post a sign at the entrance. the basic rules and if you don't folow them, no matter who you are, you will be ejected.

maybe something like that would help with the behavior?
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i don't mind having white folks at powwows. i have always been taught that we are supposed to share our cultural teachings and traditions with others. most of the people i encounter are very respectful and have many questions. the only thing that peeves me a little bit is asking for pictures. i have this hot pink jingle dress that white people seem to like a lot, but that doesn't mean you get to steal pictures of me! i got put on a video and in a book without my permission when someone recorded me at the Indian Summer Winter Powwow. you are supposed to ask for pics, even if the dancer obliges, you should still offer them food, drink, or tobacco. sheesh!

i think it's good that non-Natives want to come and watch, listen to the music, and learn a thing our two. i just hope that everyone does it respectfully and comes in with an open mind and humble attitude.
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