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Old 02-17-2006, 10:52 PM   #41
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not all of us were raised round Paha Sapa. not all of us had two parents that were enrolled. not all of us were raised on a rez and know what commodities and boarding schools are. we need to remember this when we start denying someone the right to call themselves Native just because they come here and speak from a place of deep internal pain.
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Old 02-18-2006, 07:19 AM   #42
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not all of us were raised round Paha Sapa. not all of us had two parents that were enrolled. not all of us were raised on a rez and know what commodities and boarding schools are. we need to remember this when we start denying someone the right to call themselves Native just because they come here and speak from a place of deep internal pain.
Have you any idea how many times many of us here have heard this? It's not that people don't sympathize, we just get tired of hearing this especially after suggestions are made and it goes in one ear and out the other.

Learn what you can, and live how you have always lived. Don't try to be an instant overnight culturated indian cause that's not going to happen if you were not raised with it... accept that and be happy with who you are. The only people you need to be concerned with recognizing you as native are your own people. That's why it's called recognition, not because you recognize it, but because others do.
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Have you any idea how many times many of us here have heard this? It's not that people don't sympathize, we just get tired of hearing this especially after suggestions are made and it goes in one ear and out the other.

Learn what you can, and live how you have always lived. Don't try to be an instant overnight culturated indian cause that's not going to happen if you were not raised with it... accept that and be happy with who you are. The only people you need to be concerned with recognizing you as native are your own people. That's why it's called recognition, not because you recognize it, but because others do.
well said BB..and lmfao @ instant overnight culturated indian ...what asle in the store are they on? do they mix up with water or milk?
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I really don't know what to say about your internal hurt. Whaadya talkin' bout?

We all have those hurts to a certain extent.

Both my parents were full, as were their parents, as were theirs, and so on. So, I just don't know. All I know is what I feel everyday when I go on with my own life. It's very obvious to the human eye that I'm Anishinaabe. There are daily tribulations that I go thru, that I've had to endure every single day. There are triumphs with that too. I can't go without saying that - not every day is a trial to me. Each day of my life is a mixture of the good & bad. That's balance.

Not knowing of your heritage for 20-30-40 years does not give you the right to complain to us when suddenly, you become Cherokee, Arapaho, Ojibwe, Mohawk or whatever. Live the life, live it good. Prove that you can take the knocks. Those of us that have been raised Indian, have had to go thru many trials as well as triumphs. That's why we're still here.

So if you wanna cry, cry to Blackbear. *L* Send her pm's, e-mails, whatever way you can communicate with her. Let her know what you're feeling. She'll help you. After you get done , then you can quit yer bellyachin'.
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I really don't know what to say about your internal hurt. Whaadya talkin' bout?

We all have those hurts to a certain extent.

Both my parents were full, as were their parents, as were theirs, and so on. So, I just don't know. All I know is what I feel everyday when I go on with my own life. It's very obvious to the human eye that I'm Anishinaabe. There are daily tribulations that I go thru, that I've had to endure every single day. There are triumphs with that too. I can't go without saying that - not every day is a trial to me. Each day of my life is a mixture of the good & bad. That's balance.

Not knowing of your heritage for 20-30-40 years does not give you the right to complain to us when suddenly, you become Cherokee, Arapaho, Ojibwe, Mohawk or whatever. Live the life, live it good. Prove that you can take the knocks. Those of us that have been raised Indian, have had to go thru many trials as well as triumphs. That's why we're still here.

So if you wanna cry, cry to Blackbear. *L* Send her pm's, e-mails, whatever way you can communicate with her. Let her know what you're feeling. She'll help you. After you get done , then you can quit yer bellyachin'.
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I know of some Indian kids who say they hate Indians! And don't want to claim and be proud of their Indian blood. These misfit Indian kids call Indians "those drunk Indians". What do yall think of this?
well i think maybe its just a phase...i went thru that too when i was a kid..i grew out of it...but i dunno.....just posting to post
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There is a number of things expressed on this thread that linger in my mind. Some of the youth express that they hate Indians, but yet many white people want so badly to be NDN. I'm very proud to be NDN and even more so that my boys are also. I come from a reservation where 20 years ago people would straight out deny that they were native, but now they have gotten all SUPER-NDN on us that have been NDN all our life. Telling us what ways to follow, pretending to be medicine men, and hell even advertising "getting your own indian names" on the radio. What changed? Maybe the fact that we have a casino we get free health care and that they have family in top spots in the tribe so their family get the good jobs. To me these SUPER-NDN's are worse than the white people posing to be NDN. They disgust me. They haven't the slightest clue of what NDN is.
As for the young people who hate NDN's. I feel sorry for them, not for their choice but what led them to that choice in the first place. Racism, Poverty, Drugs and Alcohol, you name it any reason could be the reason why.
One final thing for readers to think about and my long-winded self will shut up. I had worked with a group of young native indivduals and I asked all of them one question. "Why do you drink and do drugs?" The majority of the answers were "We're bored" but the last person to answer was a young man in his early 20's,"I drink to DIE". That shut everyone up. that showed them how messed up some of our lives are.
A message for posers and SuperNDN's, that's just a small taste of what our lifes are or were like, and until you walk 100 miles in our moccasins, I don't want to hear it
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So if you wanna cry, cry to Blackbear. *L* Send her pm's, e-mails, whatever way you can communicate with her. Let her know what you're feeling. She'll help you. After you get done , then you can quit yer bellyachin'.
Now what exactly is that supposed to mean? I don't want to hear it anymore than you do! LOL
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What kinna question is: "Is it blood or beliefs?"

Its blood for gawd's sake! How can one be Indian without the blood?

Just makes me wanna *bonk* someone ova the head
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What kinna question is: "Is it blood or beliefs?"

Its blood for gawd's sake! How can one be Indian without the blood?

Just makes me wanna *bonk* someone ova the head
now dont go holdin back, u can tell us how u really feel couldnt agree more
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What kinna question is: "Is it blood or beliefs?"

Its blood for gawd's sake! How can one be Indian without the blood?

Just makes me wanna *bonk* someone ova the head
lol well said
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What kinna question is: "Is it blood or beliefs?"

Its blood for gawd's sake! How can one be Indian without the blood?

Just makes me wanna *bonk* someone ova the head
sweetie,

You pose a very good point. Now, if I may, I'd like to pose another question(s) which I think needs to be addressed. This is no way, shape or form directed to you, but to whomever wishes to respond.

What happens when certain people who can document their history and was "born into the roll books" chooses not to live that life? By blood, they are still a "skin", but does that make them any less than lets say you or I?

Lets say you are in an area where political laws prohibited Native People from continuing on their traditions. The result of exposure would be death. Over time, things are lost. Does this make the current ancestors of these people any less native?

Because of our history, we find that some things have been lost in our struggles to survive the expansion. In the governments efforts to protect that which it has harmed in search for coexistence, it is really helping and harming everyone. Our very way of keeping things, oral traditions, can not be resurfaced from the abyss. I know of my history, and so does the rest of my tribe(s). I am only recognized by the state of North Carolina but not the U.S. Government. I am just as much Native as the next and I don't need the U.S. Government to tell me who/what I am. However, I understand the Governments position to only do what is needed and what they feel they should. For me, I have been quite blessed to have what I have in my people and my knowledge. Some people are not so fortunate as myself and others.
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Oh yeah, some folks try to bonk me on the head. They's funny. Ya know me, too thick-skinned and ain't about to change.
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sweetie,

You pose a very good point. Now, if I may, I'd like to pose another question(s) which I think needs to be addressed. This is no way, shape or form directed to you, but to whomever wishes to respond.

What happens when certain people who can document their history and was "born into the roll books" chooses not to live that life? By blood, they are still a "skin", but does that make them any less than lets say you or I?

Lets say you are in an area where political laws prohibited Native People from continuing on their traditions. The result of exposure would be death. Over time, things are lost. Does this make the current ancestors of these people any less native?

Because of our history, we find that some things have been lost in our struggles to survive the expansion. In the governments efforts to protect that which it has harmed in search for coexistence, it is really helping and harming everyone. Our very way of keeping things, oral traditions, can not be resurfaced from the abyss. I know of my history, and so does the rest of my tribe(s). I am only recognized by the state of North Carolina but not the U.S. Government. I am just as much Native as the next and I don't need the U.S. Government to tell me who/what I am. However, I understand the Governments position to only do what is needed and what they feel they should. For me, I have been quite blessed to have what I have in my people and my knowledge. Some people are not so fortunate as myself and others.
all the political laws were against ndn pople...thatw why the freedom of indian religon act of 1978 was so important...it finally gave ndn people legal right to practice our won ceremonies etc with out fear of being jailed...and the relocation programs were designed specifically to de-ndnize people...thats where alot of familes went underground with being ndn...it was then assimilate or die economically etc
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What kinna question is: "Is it blood or beliefs?"

Its blood for gawd's sake! How can one be Indian without the blood?

Just makes me wanna *bonk* someone ova the head
Ok You live in Canada and you know how strict registration is. Do you have to be registered to be indian? Is it enough that you have a parent that is/was?
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thanks for the information but that was not what I was asking. I am wondering that given the strict registration rules in canada in compared to the usa does the definition of who is and who isn't native change in the eyes of peo0ple. In Canada you have to be as much as half to be recognized but in the states there are tribes where 1/16 gets you in. Does any of it matter on who you see yourself as or is it all based on who the government says is indian? when you step away from the governement definition then where do you draw the line because it has to drawn somewhere. If it is not then you end up with people who are 1/563 cherokee running around claiming that they are ndn.
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thanks for the information but that was not what I was asking. I am wondering that given the strict registration rules in canada in compared to the usa does the definition of who is and who isn't native change in the eyes of peo0ple. In Canada you have to be as much as half to be recognized but in the states there are tribes where 1/16 gets you in. Does any of it matter on who you see yourself as or is it all based on who the government says is indian? when you step away from the governement definition then where do you draw the line because it has to drawn somewhere. If it is not then you end up with people who are 1/563 cherokee running around claiming that they are ndn.
i think it should be up to each nation to decide their own requirements for enrollment and who cares what the US or Canadian govt thinks? all those rules are is to distinguish who can recieve govt benefits and then use those stats to further diminish us as a ppl.
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