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Blackbear 06-28-2006 10:02 PM

Why Are Indigenous (American Indian) Soldiers Serving in Iraq
Why Are Indigenous (American Indian) Soldiers Serving in Iraq?
Dr. Michael Yellow Bird, Ph.D.

Open Letter to all Indigenous Peoples:

As the United States prepares for its annual Independence Day celebrations, I strongly urge all of our nations to hold critical and independent discussions on why we are committing our young people to serve the U.S. military in its occupation of Iraq.

The recent reporting (including revelations of a cover-up) of the murders, executions, and massacres of innocent Iraqi citizens by United States troops prompts me to ask, "Why are Indigenous (American Indian) soldiers serving in Iraq?" I wonder why our tribal communities have not had critical debates on the immorality of this war, on the lies of the present Bush Administration that got us into this war, and on the spiritual, economic, social, and psychological costs that both our people and the Iraqi people will pay for this war. It is clear from the history of many of our tribes that our people understood the grave costs of war and so took this act very seriously. Before engaging in war, many of our tribes initiated peace councils and sent emissaries to negotiate goodwill and friendship with the "enemy" in order to avoid war. As sovereign Indigenous nations, we did not do this before or during the invasion of Iraq. We instead let the United States make the decision for us as to whether we should or should not enter into this war. I wonder when was the last time that the United States asked our people for our opinion about war and its costs.

Our history tells us that because war was so destructive on many different levels, many of our tribal nations—before committing to war against another tribe—consulted our elders, peacemakers, women, youth, philosophers, intellectuals, spiritual leaders, children, warriors, and veterans to weigh the costs of war. This is something that many of our nations have not done for some time. Many of us have “outsourced-our-thinking” to the United States with respect to when and why we should or should not go to war. We are sovereign nations with very intelligent and moral people who do not need to rely on this country to interpret for us the meaning and the costs that war will bring to our communities. Most of us already know the answer to this. And we know that we should decide for ourselves, after careful, deliberate, and intelligent discussions, whether we must commit our people and resources to the wars of the United States.

Along with the U.S. invasion of the lands of our respective nations, the last two major conflicts of the United States, Vietnam and now Iraq, were based on lies created by the U.S. government. Their track record makes it even more imperative that we rely upon our own thinking, experiences, and morality when we enter into discussions on why our tribal nations should compel our people to go to war. The Vietnam lie was very expensive and horrific; it was responsible for the deaths of 58,191,000 American soldiers and 153,303 wounded. One million Vietnamese combatants and four million civilians were killed for this American lie. The missing in this war includes approximately 2,300 American soldiers and 200,000 Vietnamese. In Iraq, over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since 2003. After so many lies told to our people by the United States, do we trust this nation to be honest with us? Do we trust it to care about life as much as we do?

If we are to have discussions about this war, topics must include:

 Our belief that all people and beings are related to us so what does it mean to make war on our relatives;

 The fact that we value all life so, therefore, war truly must be a last resort;

 The fact that we value Mother Earth as a living being and the fact that the United States military is contaminating the lands, waters, trees, plants and people in Iraq through the use of biowarfare, landmines, and depleted uranium which will kill innocent people and will poison much of their territory for many years;

 The fact that we believe in the great circle of life (e.g., what goes around comes around and what we are doing to the Iraqi people is what the U.S. did to our ancestors);

 What are the effects that all of the killing, maiming, poisoning, and torturing will have upon our people, especially on the psychic and cosmological levels;

 How the U.S. has treated us in the past and the present, and how it has conscripted our minds and hearts so that we are participating in their same oppressive behavior of another group/race of humans;

 What other nations has the United States overthrown for its own interests? How many innocent non-U.S. peoples have been killed by this country’s covert operations, and who is it planning to attack in the future? Why?

 Who benefits most from war and who are the biggest losers?

 Finally, there are many other reasons that we can discuss and analyze.

It seems that we cannot rely on corporate media or the U.S. government to tell us the truth or to give us the facts about why we should go to war or who we should consider our enemy. John Stockwell, the highest-ranking CIA official to leave the agency and go public with information about CIA-sponsored activities, once said that the U.S. neither does “bloody, gory operations” in Europe nor does it spend its time attacking these countries. Rather it performs such operations in countries that are filled with people of color who do not have the military strength and resources to protect themselves from U.S. invasions. I am convinced that Stockwell is suggesting that the U.S. government has a clear racist war ideology and readily employs it against people or races that are not white. So, we must use all the available evidence to independently decide for ourselves if and when we should go to war and who is our enemy. An enemy should not be invented because of the color of its skin or religious beliefs.

I believe that it is time for us to demand that our tribal governments call for critical and independent discussions, and we need to tell the United States to immediately call for withdrawal of its military forces from Iraq. Most importantly—and independently of their decision or indecision—we must immediately pull our people out of this quagmire. Countries such as Japan, Honduras, Tonga, Nicaragua, Spain, Dominican Republic, Philippines, Thailand, New Zealand, Portugal, and Moldova already have pulled out their troops and many other nations are planning to reduce their troop commitment in the near future. So why are we still in Iraq fighting the U.S.’s illegal war? It also is time for our tribal leaders and communities to impose a moratorium upon any further enlistments of our young men and women into the U.S. military. The United States has abused our trust and has coerced us to fight its illegal, immoral wars long enough.

Many things about this war trouble me to the very core. One of the most disturbing questions is why does it seem that of all the countries that have been, or continue to be, in this war, it is only U.S. soldiers who are committing the murders of, and atrocities against, innocent Iraqi citizens (the unarmed, the disabled, the defenseless elders, the women, and the children)? Is it because the U.S. is serving in larger numbers? Is it because the U.S. is serving in more hazardous situations? Is it because the U.S. is more trigger happy? Is it because of poor oversight and supervision by the upper ranks of the military? Is it because U.S. troops are a more violent group and enjoy killing more than do other soldiers? Is it because the architects of this war, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, care more about profit than "just war" principles? Is it all of the above?

As I write this, two national guardsmen are being investigated for killing an innocent Iraqi man earlier this year; seven Marines and one Navy corpsman were charged with the shooting death of an Iraqi man, whom they had kidnapped from his home, forced into a hole, and shot to death—they then left a stolen AK-47 near his body to make it look like he was firing at them; three soldiers and one non-commissioned officer were charged with killing (in May 2006) three unarmed Iraqis who were in military custody. And many more Iraqi people have been abused and tortured to death in U.S. custody (especially in the military prisons). Many of these atrocities have been covered up or are “under investigation.”

The story currently receiving the most press is the November 2005 massacre of the twenty-four innocent civilians (including women and children) in Haditha by U.S. Marines. This mass killing is being compared to the 1968 My Lai massacre in Vietnam. A “Washington Post” article reported that "Aws Fahmi, a Haditha resident […] said he watched and listened from his home as Marines went from house to house killing members of three families, recalled hearing his neighbor across the street, Younis Salim Khafif, plead in English for his life and the lives of his family members. ‘I heard Younis speaking to the Americans, saying: “I am a friend. I am good,”’ Fahmi said. ‘But they killed him, and his wife and daughters.’ The girls killed inside Khafif's house were ages 14, 10, 5, 3 and 1” (Saturday, May 17, 2006).

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), a former Marine who maintains close ties with senior Marine officers despite his opposition to the war stated, "Marines overreacted . . . and killed innocent civilians in cold blood." Murtha already has called for the withdrawal of the U.S. military from Iraq and has called the war "a flawed policy wrapped in illusion" (Larry Downing, Reuters, Nov 18, 2005).

There are many reasons why we must immediately get our people out of this war:

to be cont...

Blackbear 06-28-2006 10:02 PM

1. War is not a moral act. The occupation, torture, mutilation, killing, and murder of innocent Iraqi people are acts of immorality. Our people should not be complicit in atrocities.

2. The invasion of Iraq was based on lies. Iraq was accused of having weapons of mass destruction by the Bush administration; it did not. Iraq was accused of having ties with Osama Bin Laden; it did not. Our people should not be complicit in lies.

3. The war against Iraq does not meet the standards of a "Just War" that evolved among "civilized" societies. Our people have enough struggles and battles, and should not be complicit in unjust global activities on behalf of the United States.

4. The war on Iraq was for "regime change" which is not legal under international law, Article 2(4) of the UN Charter. Our people should not be complicit in lawlessness.

5. After two decades of wars, invasions, and sanctions, Iraq did not have the military power to pose a clear and present danger to the U.S. before or after being invaded in 2003. Our people should not be complicit in oppressing and occupying a nation that never attacked us.

6. Many people in the U.S. and throughout the world oppose this war. Our nations should exercise their right to voice their opposition to U.S. military operations, conflicts, wars, and occupations.

7. The U.S. soldiers who have murdered Iraqi civilians must now stand trial. Several of them could receive the death penalty. Will more death and life sentences follow or will the deaths of innocent Iraqis be ignored or covered up? Do we want our men and women involved in situations that might conclude in such trials or cover ups? Our people should mentor their young into just and moral activities that benefit their nations, while encouraging conflict-resolution when possible.

8. This war is creating new "terrorism" and retribution that will be directed at the U.S. for its invasion of Iraq and its torturing and killing of innocent people. Our people should not contribute to U.S. creation of hatred.

9. There is no end in sight for a U.S. military exit out of Iraq. Many sources report that the U.S. is establishing permanent military bases in Iraq which would keep troops in Iraq for many years. Our people should not contribute to the expansion and maintenance of U.S. militarization, colonization, and occupation.

10. Invading Iraq is extremely financially costly and takes resources away from many badly needed priorities at home. At present, it costs nearly one billion dollars a week to wage this “War on Terrorism.” Our people should not be complicit in U.S. activities that waste money.

11. Billions of dollars have been authorized by the U.S. congress to be used for occupation and reconstruction. There is evidence that billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars have been lost through waste, abuse, and fraudulent billing. In a June 8, 2006, article published in “The Baltimore Chronicle,” Dave Lindorff reported that twenty-one billion dollars "has gone missing without a trace in Iraq." Who is responsible for this? I am reminded that our people are fighting for, in part, accountability of billions of lost dollars in the Eloise Pepion Cobell, et al. v. Gale Norton, Secretary of the Interior lawsuit in the United States. Our people should never be complicit in U.S. theft, fraud, and dishonesty.

12. The U.S. is supposed to be rebuilding Afghanistan but it is not; rather, it is targeting most of its focus and resources on Iraq. Our people should not contribute to unilateral U.S. policy and doctrines.

13. Despite billions of U.S. dollars spent in Iraq after its invasion, very little promised rebuilding of the Iraqi infrastructure has been accomplished. Our people—who are familiar with broken promises and treaties—should never be complicit in the lies of the United States.

14. The rebuilding of Iraq is not happening. Many U.S. firms that went to Iraq to perform reconstruction services have been accused of "bilking" funds intended for reconstruction. In an April 16, 2006 news story, the “Boston Globe” reported that "American contractors swindled hundreds of millions of dollars in Iraqi funds." For instance, in March 2006, a Rhode Island-based company called, The Custer Battles, was found "liable for $3 million in fraudulent billings in Iraq." Stories such as this are outrageous and numerous. Many of these companies had/have ties to the current Bush administration, especially Dick Cheney, the current Vice President of the United States. Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. Halliburton has made hundreds of millions of dollars from this war and occupation. Our people should not be complicit in helping the rich, like Cheney, get richer.

We must no longer allow our nations to remain in the fog of war, participating in the U.S. continued colonization and destruction of the world. What this country has done—and continues to do—to the Iraqi people is unconscionable and must stop. The U.S.-led war in Iraq is wrong, immoral, illegal, unjust, a lie; it is about profiteering for a very small, corrupt, elite sector of the U.S. population. Our people, many of whom occupy some of the lowest levels of decision-making in the U.S. military, are considered expendable and are being used for cannon fodder so that the rich, especially in the United States, can become richer.

We must realize that many of the people in the highest levels of the United States government suffer from an addiction to war, power, and colonization. Many, but not all, Indigenous Peoples have become co-dependent in this addiction as demonstrated by not holding public meetings and councils that question the U.S. invasion, and by allowing our people to participate in this unjust, illegal war that is creating suffering for untold numbers of innocent Iraqi people. In the Fall of 2004, the academic journal Wicazo Sa Review published a paper I wrote entitled “Cowboys and Indians: Toys of Genocide, Icons of American Colonialism.” In that article, I stated that "it took me some years to understand that colonialism is a sickness, an addiction to greed, power, and exploitation....Colonialism has taught many Indigenous Peoples to be silent, passive, compliant victims who participate in, excuse, enable, or ignore the colonizer's addictive behaviors. Left unchecked, colonialism has continued to flourish, devastate, and suppress Indigenous Peoples, keeping them in a the perpetual role of 'the Indian,' causing many to say, do and think things they never would if their minds and hearts were free from American colonial rule." Today this addictive behavior or the drug of choice of this country is its illegal, dishonest, and brutal invasion of Iraq. I urgently ask each and every Indigenous Person to quit enabling the addictive behavior of the U.S.

In this same article, I also wrote that there are "antidotes to colonialism that Indigenous Peoples can and must employ: courage, intelligent resistance, development of a counterconsciousness and discourse, and a fierce critical interrogation of American colonial ideology." It is incumbent upon our peoples to employ these antidotes in order to condemn and get our people out of this war. We must commit all of our intellectual and truth-seeking energies to this objective and not let any one, Indigenous or non-Indigenous, hijack our need for such critical and independent discussions. A key democratic principle of our peoples was our willingness to allow our people dissent from popular opinion so that we might consider all of our options. We must not let accusations that our "honor and courage as warriors is on the line" prevent us from deciding to leave Iraq—and the U.S. military. After generations of service in the U.S. military—and its numerous wars—our people have repeatedly proven that we are brave and courageous beyond compare. However, our ability to think morally, critically, and independently about our participation in this war is another matter that we now must undertake ever so seriously.

Maybe, just maybe, if we act using our traditional Indigenous forms of morality that value truth, intelligence, honesty, life, and dignity—and refuse to be a enabler to the U.S. addiction to greed, war, power, and colonization—we can help it overcome its unhealthy, destructive obsession for war, conquest, and killing of others. And, as it recovers from this addiction, maybe we also can help it overcome its two greatest phobias: dikephobia (the fear of justice) and hypegiaphobia (the fear of responsibility). I pray that that you will take this open letter (or a statement of your own) to your tribal leaders and communities and immediately begin the important critical and independent discussions that will promote and act upon the well-being of all of our people.

All the best, Michael

Dr. Michael Yellow Bird, Ph.D.
Founder and Director, Center for
Indigenous Peoples' Critical and Intuitive Thinking (CIPCIT) and
Associate Professor, Indigenous Nations Studies
Indigenous Nations Studies Program
1410 Jayhawk Blvd, Room 105
The University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
Email: mybird@ku.edu

Blackbear 06-28-2006 10:03 PM

Thanks to Homalosa for forwarding this to me.

Homalosa 06-29-2006 06:54 AM

You're welcome. I also want to add this for everyone; regardless of your opinion on the war, please pray for all service men and women there. Many of us have family there and this thread in no way was started as a means of lack of support. Instead we are showing are support by considering whether or not native presence should continue.

Migiziwomen 06-29-2006 10:59 AM

here is something my auntie sent me thought this was the appropriate thread to post it on, since we are not questioning out support, but why the support is needed, meaning our men and women should not be there.:thumbsup:

since the email is too big i will post it in section

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Migiziwomen 06-29-2006 10:59 AM

A SimpleThank You

Last week, while traveling to Chicagoon business, I noticed a Marine sergeant traveling with a folded flag, but did not put two and two together. After we boarded our flight, I turned to the sergeant, who'd been invited to sit in First Class (across from me), and inquired if he was heading home.

No, he responded.

Heading out I asked?

No. I'm escorting a soldier home.

Going to pick him up?

No. He is with me right now. He was killed in Iraq. < /FONT> I'm taking him home to his family.

The realization of what he had been asked to do hit me like a punch to the gut. It was an honor for him. He told me that, although he didn't know the soldier, he had delivered the news of his passing to the soldier's family and felt as if he knew them after many conversations in so few days. I turned back to him, extended my hand, and said, Thank you.Thank you for doing what you do so my family and I can do what we do.

Upon landing in Chicagothe pilot stopped short of the gate and made the following announcement over the intercom.

"Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to note that we have had the honor of having Sergeant Steeley of the United States Marine Corps join us on this flight. He is escorting a fallen comrade back home to his family. I ask that you please remain in your seats when we open the! forward door to allow Sergeant Steeley to deplane and receive his fellow soldier. We will then turn off the seat belt sign."

Without a sound, all went as requested.I noticed the sergeant saluting the casket as it was brought off the plane, and his action made me realize that I am proud to be an American.

So here's a public Thank You to our militaryMen and Womenfor what you do so we can live the way we do.

Stuart Margel, Washington, D.C.

Migiziwomen 06-29-2006 11:00 AM

Here are two very very touching photos honored at this yearsInternational Picture of the Year.

First Place

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When 2nd Lt. James Cathey's body arrived at the Reno Airport, Marines climbed into the cargo hold of the plane and draped the flag over his casket as passengers watched the family gather on the tarmac.

During the arrival of another Marine's casket last year at Denver International Airport, Major Steve Beck described the scene as so powerful: "See the people in the windows? They sat right there in the plane, watching those Marines. You gotta wonder what's going through their ! minds, knowing that they're on the plane that brought him home," he said. "Theywill remember being on that plane for the rest of their lives. They're going to remember bringing that Marine home. And they should."



Migiziwomen 06-29-2006 11:01 AM

Second Place

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Todd Heisler The Rocky Mountain News
The night before the burial of her husband's body, Katherine Cathey refused to leave the casket, asking to sleep next to his body for the last time. The Marines made a bed for her, tucking in the sheets below the flag. Before she fell asleep, she opened her laptop computer and played songs that reminded her of 'Cat,' and one of the Marines asked if she wanted them to continue standing watch as she slept. "I think it would be kind of nice if you kept doing it," she said. "I think that's what he would have wanted."



Migiziwomen 06-29-2006 11:04 AM

mad love to all our men and women out there fighting for our presidents political crap

and to ndnsoldier keep it rocken baby:thumbsup:
even though i do not agree with the war, and i do not believe what the pres says and on and on and on i support you all and pray for those that are left to come home and for those that will not well my heart goes to the families.:sad_smile

Migiziwomen 06-30-2006 05:08 PM

okay i am sorry having problems witht he pics Mato is helping me so on monday i will do my best trust me they re great pics

Blackbear 06-30-2006 06:44 PM

http://www.poyi.org/63/11/01.php Here's a link to those photos for you.

Mato Winyan 06-30-2006 09:18 PM

Thanks....... think I have the bug worked out now. It was in the html. scripting. :thumbsup:

~NCheyenneLaw~ 07-01-2006 11:12 PM

The picture of the wife almost made me cry.

A lot of NDNs are serving in Iraq, including my husband (I love you, baby; hurry home!). I don't understand why the profession choice of some are questioned by others? Service members are just that. . .service members; they aren't policy makers. As an attorney, I'm more of a policy maker than my soldier-husband, LOL. Most people understand the distinction, and our little family has felt their support--even where some did not support the war. :thumbsup:

Migiziwomen 07-03-2006 09:09 AM

a big Miigwetch to both BB and Mato who really went out of his way to help my pathetic a** get the pics up. and BB thanks for the link figures you would know the link!

2lineCarrandMorgan 07-03-2006 10:57 AM

Thank you
I have not cryed anuff...my eyes burn with tears of the pain of war..and lost and steadfastness...of love
Thank you for the watching....
and the telling...
and the praying
Please bring home the people .
put your Angels around Indiansoldierboy to bring him safely back to his life here with his people.

show the way Great Spirit to heal ..

chevyman3882 11-04-2007 02:44 AM

you need to relook at your history and the hearts of your people
you need to relook you history native people have served in every war that this nation has had more of them voluntarily than not. if you voluntered for this millitary you knew what you were getting into and that means that if there is a conflict then you went. several native american veterans have been highly decorated in these past wars as well. Without the comanche code talkers of ww2 we would not have made it as far as we did during that war. You also need to realize that we as native peoples are a proud warrior society and we will do what we need to in order to take care of our own and or country even when we don't completely agree with it. I don't know how you grew up but in my family and comunity veterans are held in high regards and respect combat veterans in even more. I am proud of what i have done in my life and cannot wait to get home to my family and comunity and put all of this behind me.

Josiah 11-04-2007 08:59 AM

I read the Article at the top of the page several times and after my first read through made me read it again to make sure I got the major points.

This PHD guy is missing some major stuff!

We live in a Country that allows the most unprecedented freedoms in the History of all Mankind/Womenkind.

Standing in Line at Walmart will show you that, from a NDN Family to a Sunni and Hindu family buying grocery's without fear that they wont be served or told no that can't buy that.
We take for granted the freedoms that we enjoy, for instance we have free movement about this country without a passport or travel papers just to visit a cousin in another state! Those papers are a normal thing in huge parts of this world.

Is our country perfect! No we have lots of things to fix, it is a work in progress!

But the very fact we allow our one time enemies to live here without fear of reprisal is something to behold
Shall we name them!
The list goes and and on!

We live with each other without fear that one day they will come to power and then butcher their one time enemies such is what happens in Africa over and over!

We take for granted that we can go to the streets anytime we feel like it and march in Protest of our Government...
Try doing that in China or Burma!!!
You will DIE for that "privilege", that WE Americans take for granted!

Is our Country perfect?? No of course not...

Do our young have the choice to serve our country?
Yes they do
Look at alot of countries in Europe with Mandatory Service
They do not have that choice they serve regardless for 2 years.

Do we vote for who is in office???
Yes we do
Do we make the right choices and informed choices???
NO we dont
Who's Fault is that???
The Media??? or everybody else but you????
Nope only you the voter, You can get together with other voters and rise up and vote them guys out of office!

We love to blame the other guy or some deep dark agency behind the scenes manipulating us.

Well then you dont know what a Bureaucracy is, ever heard the term red tape???
"Son you don't get a roll of crap paper without a form filled out three times and kicked back twice before its finally filled".
The mere thought what has to happen for our government to work is mind boggling!
For its not the politicians that run the government
Oh no they are amateurs!!!
The real power lies within the ranks of the GS...
GS-5 or a GS-7 who is supervised by a GS-11 and GS-12
Who are these people???
Civil Servants! that is who runs the place and where all the series of millions of decisions that flow out of our government on a daily basis despite what our politicians do.

Should NDN's serve in the Military, YES
We as a culture have placed great pride and reverence on our warriors and until that is changed as a culture it will continue to be that way! Until we as a race have a Paradigm Shift it will always be that way!
More times than I can count, I have heard a young Ndn boy say: "I want to be a veteran like my dad and uncles are"!!!

Unfortunetly the consequences of that, is they may die in some foreign land at the hands of someone that will someday come to America and become your neighbor!
Ask a Vietnam vet what he felt like the first time he walked into a 7/11 and saw the guy that tried to kill him just a year before selling him a Pop!
Only in America...

Its pure bullsh*t to blame all our troubles on anyone else but ourselves!!!
We had the choice in 1974 to force our Government to switch to Alternative fuels to rise up as a Nation and say enough!
And you say we cant do that, that my vote dont count!
Well then why did Brazil do that very thing in 1974 and today they only rely on 10% from foreign sources and use domesticate CORN to make there own fuel!


Gather your neighbors together and make them vote
Rise up in a solid voice and say enough is enough
Dont sit around whining you dont have something
Get up and Vote
Get involved
Just DO it

Vote them Bast*rds out of office
Write them
yell at them
Just do it

Dont blame them
Make them do what you want

For the Veterans and the ones that DIED for you to have that privilege Demand that you use that right and use it well!!!

Should we Ndns serve
I say hell yeah!!!
After all it is our home , our warriors died for us so that "we" as a culture still exist and still live here!

trob226 11-04-2007 10:05 AM

Good post, Josiah. Makes sense, and your passion was clear. Wish you were running for President this year.

CHEROSAGE 11-05-2007 02:03 AM

I appreciate all Josiah said and agree with an echo.

I may not agree with Our Governments policies but I have always been proud to have served in the Army, Retired, for my family. I don't agree that our Government should ever try to tell another Government how to handle their enternal affairs or what kind of weapons any one else could maintain. For our Government maintains many of these same weapons and more. This is only my option at the voting booth. I served proudly and would proudly return RIGHT NOW in a heart beat so that maybe some of our young people could come home. I believe that it is something inherent to our societal ways as an Inlonshka dancer. It is our, the older ones, obligation to protect and guard. I have a nephew there right now and am very proud of him along with all of those fine TROOPS all over the world.

HooYah, Big guns to all. Remember- big bullets/ big sky. Big check to all gunners world wide.

trob226 11-05-2007 10:06 AM

Our job now as voters is to vote and to be very, very thoughtful and careful about how we vote in the next election, for every single office put in front of us. It's too important for us to just label somebody "conservative" or "liberal" and vote our minds in accord with the label. Look deep (as deep as you can given what information you can get), think hard and vote like your childrens' lives and the world depend on it, because they do.

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