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Old 07-04-2004, 03:43 PM   #1
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Talking Women and Sweats ??

Heard something from a friend that this woman he knows(suppose to be part Cherokee she is) and some guy gonna put up a sweat lodge and use it for healing purposes for people together. Me sitting here going huh,when the heck this start happening women doing sweats, and with guys to boot. Your comments please.
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I don't see anything new about this.

Is there supposed to be something funny here?
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Old 07-04-2004, 05:47 PM   #3
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Heard something from a friend that this woman he knows(suppose to be part Cherokee she is) and some guy gonna put up a sweat lodge and use it for healing purposes for people together. Me sitting here going huh,when the heck this start happening women doing sweats, and with guys to boot. Your comments please.
Mind me asking if you are pretty young? Or maybe just starting out in native ways? Or maybe since your listed tribal affiliation is Dine' you have just been exposed to the sweatlodge?

Other than that.. no new thing, been happening. instant Sweatlodge here.. buy an inipi there... just a second coming of the same old calvary.
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And here I thought this thread was about women wearing sweats. I was thinking what's the big deal? lol..

Yeah like Ki said.... nothing new with this concept.

Women of my nation have used the sweatlodge to pray for a long, long time. Also nothing new that some women have sweatlodges at their homes, like me. People come to my home to sweat and pray all the time, but men and women sweat seperate and it's also run our way, but I won't go into any depth about it.

But yeah, women praying to our Creator in the sweatlodge is nothing new, we've been doing this for a long time.
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Heard something from a friend that this woman he knows(suppose to be part Cherokee she is) and some guy gonna put up a sweat lodge and use it for healing purposes for people together. Me sitting here going huh,when the heck this start happening women doing sweats, and with guys to boot. Your comments please.

Gaw - those Cherokee(1/10000th kind) are always trying to do do something or pose as something that their not.

NOTE: If she looks white and says she's Cherokee, then she prolly is just white.
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And here I thought this thread was about women wearing sweats.
Which wouldn't b new for NDN women either lol.

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I once had a Lakota elder tell me there is only one way a man and woman are supposed to sweat together.... :sweat:

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I don't see anything new about this.

Is there supposed to be something funny here?
Where I am - it is not new either.
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a new guy moved in downstairs. being friendly I said 'hey' when I passed him outside last week. mistake. he's been banging on my door every night. moved here from Humboldt--for those of you that don't know No. Cali that is the Emerald Triangle--Greenbud for Everyone!!! He invited me down to 'share a bowl', asked if I was NDN and proceeded to tell me that he and is friends had 'sweats' all the time. Coed, get naked, dance around the fire...sheesh. :Eyebrows I've been trying to avoid him ever since. What a loon. I have no desire to go to a coed sweat. I know some tribes allow them; but I would find it a big distraction to have men in there with me. Not that we go 'naked' or anything; we always wear modest cotton shifts. But, I mean, after rolling around in the dirt, trying to find a pocket of air to breathe, I come up looking like a mudpie. Who the H wants a guy seeing THAT! Scary thought! :Scared
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but I would find it a big distraction to have men in there with me. Not that we go 'naked' or anything; we always wear modest cotton shifts. But, I mean, after rolling around in the dirt, trying to find a pocket of air to breathe, I come up looking like a mudpie. Who the H wants a guy seeing THAT!
Please refer (not reefer) to Kakeeyas post. We are talking about healing ceremonies not womens attire.
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Gaw - those Cherokee(1/10000th kind) are always trying to do do something or pose as something that their not.

NOTE: If she looks white and says she's Cherokee, then she prolly is just white.
How many ndn women you know that look white,got short curly hair, and streak blonde color in it? Oh, and some of the things that are quoted as tradition, all the real honest Cherokee I know don't know anything about what she talking about.

I know about sweat lodges, men do theirs, and womens are seperate, but the 2 were never mixed as far as I had learned. Was just trying to see if there was something that maybe I hadn't learned or if this was just another new "tradition". Apparently the guy is suppose to know what he is doing and talking about that she going to do this with, but just cause I can talk to you about flying an airplane don't make me a person you'd wanna fly with.
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Gaw - those Cherokee(1/10000th kind) are always trying to do do something or pose as something that their not.

NOTE: If she looks white and says she's Cherokee, then she prolly is just white.
That came off to me as mean spirited, friend. It is not the fault of the individual if genetics gave them black hair (like my sister) or red hair (like me.) It is the spirit that counts. And yes, anyone can pose as anything. It is up to us to investigate if we really want to know whether someone is inventing a new-age gimmick or preserving a tradition.
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How many ndn women you know that look white,got short curly hair, and streak blonde color in it? Oh, and some of the things that are quoted as tradition, all the real honest Cherokee I know don't know anything about what she talking about.

I know about sweat lodges, men do theirs, and womens are seperate, but the 2 were never mixed as far as I had learned. Was just trying to see if there was something that maybe I hadn't learned or if this was just another new "tradition". Apparently the guy is suppose to know what he is doing and talking about that she going to do this with, but just cause I can talk to you about flying an airplane don't make me a person you'd wanna fly with.
well sounds like you've got the red flags up over this - hopefully noone will be hurt while these people go about what they're doing.

Anyone has the right to question a so-called traditional teacher - they should be willing to answer where they've gotten their teachings, how long they have been following this way, who is their teacher and how did they earn the right to do what they do.

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Please refer (not reefer) to Kakeeyas post. We are talking about healing ceremonies not womens attire.
Exactly, my dear. And being no different from the other posters on this website I had something to share. My contribution to the topic of women and sweats(healing ceremonies), while laced with what I thought was humor, was that we do indeed participate; and that I preferred the women only practice as observed at the lodge I frequent. Since my words weren't particularly antagonizing (that is, enough to warrant the put down offered) I can only assume that it is my 'pedigree' that rankles you so much, Ms. Jibby. I learned prior to leaving this forum in 2001 that my being a mutt would earn me the disdain of some; so carry on if that is your gripe.
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That came off to me as mean spirited, friend. It is not the fault of the individual if genetics gave them black hair (like my sister) or red hair (like me.) It is the spirit that counts. And yes, anyone can pose as anything. It is up to us to investigate if we really want to know whether someone is inventing a new-age gimmick or preserving a tradition.
Well, I didn't intend for it to come off as mean, I'm just calling it as it is. I have lived in Oklahoma among the cherokee people and have attended their stomp dances during labor day weekend when they bring out their black medicine. But I know my place and I don't participate because I am not cherokee.

I know some cherokee medicine people who live way in the boonies of Vian and marble. But none of the cherokee medicine men I know participate or run sweat. And yes these people are strong in their traditions and language and I have respect for them.

More than likely if one is redheaded or have blue eyes or whatever, more than likely they are white with Native Ancestry, YES - you read right (White with Native Ancestry).
If someone claims that thier grandmother was an ndn princess, I bet everyone will guess that the tribe they mentioned was cherokee! Yeah - we all know the story.

NEWS FLASH!
And having the spirit DOES NOT make you any more Indian. If the creator made you ndn then you are ndn, if your not ndn then you are NOT ndn no matter how many sweats you attend.
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NEWS FLASH!
And having the spirit DOES NOT make you any more Indian. If the creator made you ndn then you are ndn, if your not ndn then you are NOT ndn no matter how many sweats you attend.
And that's all the news for tonight - thanks folks!
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Exactly, my dear. And being no different from the other posters on this website I had something to share. My contribution to the topic of women and sweats(healing ceremonies), while laced with what I thought was humor, was that we do indeed participate; and that I preferred the women only practice as observed at the lodge I frequent. Since my words weren't particularly antagonizing (that is, enough to warrant the put down offered) I can only assume that it is my 'pedigree' that rankles you so much, Ms. Jibby. I learned prior to leaving this forum in 2001 that my being a mutt would earn me the disdain of some; so carry on if that is your gripe.
Yeah ok. Next time you decide to Chief it up and smoke over matters with your neighbour relations, please do not inflict mental images of pasty white dudes prancing around in synthetic loin cloths all the while "feeling the spirit". If I wanted to picture that, I'd attend my office Xmas party.
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Yeah ok. Next time you decide to Chief it up and smoke over matters with your neighbour relations, please do not inflict mental images of pasty white dudes prancing around in synthetic loin cloths all the while "feeling the spirit". If I wanted to picture that, I'd attend my office Xmas party.
You just made quite an assumption, didn't you? I said he made me an offer; I never said I took him up on it, did I? I'm not into Reefer, but maybe you are. And, you'll have to take responsibility for your own mental images, be what they may.
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I once had a Lakota elder tell me there is only one way a man and woman are supposed to sweat together.... :sweat:

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