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Black War Shield Society
Does anyone know anything about the Kiowa Black War Shield Society? Is it a traditional group and what does it have to do with the gourd dance? I've noticed nonKiowas claim membership, especially when it comes to their right to gourd dance. There's a Kiowa BlackLeggings Warrior Society, but it has nothing to do with the gourd dance. I've been to several Kiowa functions and have never heard them mention it. Is it some sort of secret society?
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I'm not Kiowa I have just ran around with them mst of my life and I have never heard of them and do not believe they are a true Kiowa society. Within Kiowa culture the gourd dance is not a warriors only thang and there is only 3 main groups/clans/societies/etc and that aint one of them. As you said might be something super secret or maybe a new group trying to get recognized...who knows!!!
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Read posts 42 and 43 from Whome and Zotigh Both say there is no such Kiowa Society This question has been asked before...
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Josi, I forgot about this thread. I went back and read it. I also found the link to the Cherokee Red Star Gourd Dance Society Cherokee Blue Spring Red Star Gourd Dance Society What a CROCK!!! This sight has been updated to include current 2008 information. But there is still reference to the Kiowa Black War Shield Society in the icon History of Red Star Read their icon Red Star Cultural Information: Red Star Cultural Information Whatcha' think???
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Why would an so called "Enrolled Delaware" go to a Cheyenne in New Mexico to form a Gourd Society in Arkansas that has some kind ties with a "Unkown" Kiowa society and call it Cherokee Intertribal Gourd Society? Other than that it looks pretty straight foward LOL
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I was a dance in Tulsa 2 years ago on Veteran's Day with these Redstar/Bluestar Dance group it was painful to watch them and even worse to listen to there off beat gourd shaking
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There is no such society in our tribe. I hope the folks that were tricked into joining/believing in such a society bonk their deceptors on the head. Hard. ::shakes head::
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one things for sure, there's no accounting for tastes, or gullible people, or ding dongs. Kills me to watch a choreographed line of gourd dancers, feel like I'm watching the Rockettes.......kick one two three kick!
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