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WhoMe 01-24-2007 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Josiah (Post 859558)
And the thing is this is the first time I have ever heard that the Otoe-Missouria were given this dance


Josi,

Yup, it's true.

To the best of my knowledge the 2 Kiowa Tiah Piah societies have shared this dance with other organizations as well.

In addition the Cheyenne StarHawk Society has also shared their version of this dance with organizations in NM.

Anybody know if the Comanche have passed this on to others?

Josiah 01-24-2007 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe (Post 859569)
Josi,

Yup, it's true.

To the best of my knowledge the 2 Kiowa Tiah Piah societies have shared this dance with other organizations as well.

In addition the Cheyenne StarHawk Society has also shared their version of this dance with organizations in NM.

Anybody know if the Comanche have passed this on to others?

So who shared it with the Osage because the story i have been told was they were the only legitimate one

I have heard about the Cheyenne doing that also
There are alot of Gourd Dance organizations in New Mexico

WhoMe 01-24-2007 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Josiah (Post 859595)
So who shared it with the Osage because the story i have been told was they were the only legitimate one

Josi,

Heck, I don't know. . . It wasn't me! :whatchuta *L


I have two good friends (Archie Mason and Johnny Red Eagle) who are active Osage Gourd Dance Society members. Perhaps I can ask them (In a non threatening way *L) when I see them?

Josiah 01-24-2007 01:41 PM

I have been to several Powwows that Archie was MC
actually three that i can think of
He is a good MC
and tells pretty good jokes

Josiah 01-24-2007 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe (Post 859623)
Josi,

Heck, I don't know. . . It wasn't me! :whatchuta *L


I have two good friends (Archie Mason and Johnny Red Eagle) who are active Osage Gourd Dance Society members. Perhaps I can ask them (In a non threatening way *L) when I see them?

ok ok
I sometimes can be pushy when i am trying to understand something or clearing up a point
hahaha
just me being me
So when are you going to get back this way and do some powwows???

streamhawk 01-24-2007 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe (Post 859623)
Josi,

Heck, I don't know. . . It wasn't me! :whatchuta *L


I have two good friends (Archie Mason and Johnny Red Eagle) who are active Osage Gourd Dance Society members. Perhaps I can ask them (In a non threatening way *L) when I see them?

I've been told a story about this WhoMe from a member of the Osage tribe, I'll try to PM it to you, it's not my place in my opinion, not being Osage, to post it here publicly.

kwapamom4 03-15-2007 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CHEROSAGE (Post 382403)
I know that the Quapaw Intertribal Gourd Dance Society sent a delegation to Carnegie, OK to meet with Kiowa Society leaders. This took place in the mid 80's. Grandad, Jack Greenback, was our Elder. (He has since passed). Our society was given permission to organize as a society. (This is a VERY simplified version). Many of our original members have passed.

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Gledanh Zhinga 03-25-2007 12:23 PM

"Injun Joe" Provost, Omaha, now passed, told me that he "gourd danced" at home, in Macy. He said that in English, his people called it the gourd dance, but it was unrelated to the ways and methodology of the Kiowa gourd dance.

WhoMe 01-22-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LWB (Post 386261)
Now that Taft & many of the Headsmen & members have "gone on" the Kiowa Gourd Clan will not recognize the Cherokee



LWB,

I was recently reading the program from last summers Kiowa Gourd Clan. Inside the program it stated that the Otoe-Missouria tribe was the only tribe that the Kiowa Gourd Clan gave permission to dance.

Josiah 01-22-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe (Post 1006996)
LWB,

I was recently reading the program from last summers Kiowa Gourd Clan. Inside the program it stated that the Otoe-Missouria tribe was the only tribe that the Kiowa Gourd Clan gave permission to dance.

When you sit on the bench at many gourd dances around Oklahoma you hear many a story...

This pass summer i heard the story about the Otoe-Missouria tribe given permission to dance the Gourd Dance
My understanding this was done in the 1920's and it was trade for some songs that the Otoes taught the Kiowas...

Gledanh Zhinga 01-22-2008 07:42 PM

In the early 1960s, I was at the Ponca Powwow, and one morning, about sunrise, the Otoes had a brush dance, starting at the south edge of the campground and moving slowly northward to the "South Arena".

Josiah 01-22-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gledanh Zhinga (Post 1007065)
In the early 1960s, I was at the Ponca Powwow, and one morning, about sunrise, the Otoes had a brush dance, starting at the south edge of the campground and moving slowly northward to the "South Arena".

Now that would be a sight that would stay with you for your whole life...
I love the brush dance and when we brush dance during our annual it is my personal favorite!


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