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Definitely, they paid thier dues! 37 14.18%
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Yes, but they should have different type of blanket(added fringe or ribbonwork)fan and shaker/rattle. 33 12.64%
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:51 AM   #821
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So, if I 'perceive' someone is a gay-llama....

I get it. You win.

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I so perceive.
Well, we can certainly perceive you don't possess an actual argument and have been reduced to subjectivity and ad hominem.
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Old 09-15-2012, 01:03 AM   #823
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An ACCURATE record for which you possess ZERO answer.

If you had one, you'd use it rather then espouse weak ad hominem (look it up).
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We have always seen young men dancing who are not of age to serve in the military. How could it be a "veteran's" dance, when there was no such thing when the Red Wolf gifted the dance to us?
Just noticed a red mark in my CP for this comment. The quote is unsigned and reads, "u mean gifted 2 the cheyenne".

Really?

Your story is that we captured your warriors and killed all of them after forcing them to reveal the songs. Who was left to tell your side of the story, then?

Really?

If we learned all the Kiowa Gourd Dance songs I grew up hearing from that one capture of your warriors, AND we changed all the words to Kiowa, AND forget the fact that...if we killed all your warriors after learning the songs...who was left to tell your side of the story?

Really?

Our legacy story about the Red Wolf is uplifting and gives hope for our people. Yours is, "they stole our songs and killed us all".

Really?

The "1st Annual Cheyenne Gourd Dance" was held in 1970's. With a Kiowa drum. My family was there. Transcripts posted already on this website.

Really?


I'll take more red dots as 'couting coup'.
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I'll take more red dots as 'couting coup'.
Red dots happen, they don't validate anything. (I get my share and I wouldn't be concerned by them.) That said, they are indicative of opinion, shared or no.

"Uplifting?"

I am uplifted to know that women will Gourd Dance.

I'm sure I'll get a red smite for saying that. At this point -- I don't really care -- it doesn't matter who reinvented the dance and when, merely that it will be reinvented, again, in the future.

That is the way of things.
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Red dots happen, they don't validate anything. (I get my share and I wouldn't be concerned by them.) That said, they are indicative of opinion, shared or no.

"Uplifting?"

I am uplifted to know that women will Gourd Dance.

I'm sure I'll get a red smite for saying that. At this point -- I don't really care -- it doesn't matter who reinvented the dance and when, merely that it will be reinvented, again, in the future.

That is the way of things.
I disagree sir!

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I disagree sir!

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Time changes ALL things.
Again I disagree

Time Changes most things others it makes better or in some case more valuable

Carbon+Time+Pressure= Diamond
For you have to agree carbon in its origianl state is not very valuable.

Your argument with the Gourd Dance assumes that the end result will be that women will dance like Men

I say that the it will not have an end result and just continue onward and onward each year renewing itself

Much like a stone dropped into a pond the waves move outward until they strike the shore and rebound until you have no clear wave

In my pond a stone is dropped in the pond over and over and over
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In my pond a stone is dropped in the pond over and over and over
You presume a new stone.

That is already change you do not control.
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That is already change you do not control.
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If you haven't seen change, just since the early 1960s, how closely can you be looking?
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This thread, like Al Bundy's Dodge, keeps starting up and dying too often... LOL
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This thread, like Al Bundy's Dodge, keeps starting up and dying too often... LOL
Al Bundy never had it so good :<) ...its helpful really in a lot of ways, At these last few powwows i have been watching the gourd dances closer ..in the south the women step in side and dance in place, there is one lead head gourd dancer ( man )and everyone rattles and dances the men that is. After that grand entry, The gourd dancing really is cool to see and well thanks for this thread even tho it about something else
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Let's see...

Some with white shirts, some without, some with only bandoliers (no broadcloth) and a straight dancer?

I seem to recall that some believe there is a single, solitary, manner in which to do all this and yet there are all these variations: almost as if the entire enterprise is changing before our eyes...(sigh)

It will continue to do so.
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Let's see...

Some with white shirts, some without, some with only bandoliers (no broadcloth) and a straight dancer?

I seem to recall that some believe there is a single, solitary, manner in which to do all this and yet there are all these variations: almost as if the entire enterprise is changing before our eyes...(sigh)

It will continue to do so.

I think that's because we are all not from the same tribe, there will be differences .
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I think that's because we are all not from the same tribe, there will be differences .
Of course!

1. Nothing is static.
2. Everything changes.
3. To believe otherwise is foolish.

(Insert cheesy broken English Native talk here.)

"That is the way of things."
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