Register Groups Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Forum Home - Go Back > PowWows.com Forum Archives > Archives > Pow Wow Singing Female Drum Groups Female Drum Groups

LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 03-05-2001, 05:01 PM   #1
Jinglin fool...
 
n8tivechick's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
n8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond repute
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: YES! There really is a Kalamazoo, Michigan!
Posts: 320
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post Female Drum Groups

hello,
here in MI there are not female druk groups. i know they do exsist, i heard there are some in the west coast. does anyone know of any female drum groups?
-Kelli

------------------
n8tivechick is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-05-2001, 05:59 PM   #2
Arena Director
 
Smokin' Ace's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Smokin' Ace has a reputation beyond repute
Smokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond reputeSmokin' Ace has a reputation beyond repute
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: United States
Posts: 4,121
Credits: 110.00
Savings: 0.00
Cool

I have personally never heard of all girl drum groups, but I know there are several groups that have or have had female singers such as:

1) Red Bull
2) Cathedral Lakes
3) Little Boy (I think)

These are northern groups that I have heard of having female singers.

Anyone else??

[This message has been edited by Smokin' Ace (edited March 05, 2001).]
Smokin' Ace is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-05-2001, 06:39 PM   #3
Pow Wow Visitor
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
original49man is an unknown quantity at this point
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: powwowcountry
Posts: 2
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

A few years ago, I moved out to Vancouver, B.C. Every powwow I went to had about 20 drums at each, with half of these drums being all women or mixed. This was the only area I've seen first hand, all women drums. When I asked about the reasoning behind it, I was told that the women simply felt they had every right to sing on the bigdrum as men. So in essence, they are breaking tradition. Is it right or wrong? Even I'm not sure, all I know is the way I was taught, the bigdrum is for men but as a man, I am no better then any other human. Traditions are not constant but ever changing, and even moreso in present day society.
original49man is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-05-2001, 06:42 PM   #4
Junior Dancer
 
contemptradish's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
contemptradish is a jewel in the rough
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Pine Ridge, SD
Posts: 155
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

hi n8tive,
there's one pw on long island that i go to that always has one all female drum named Mothers of Nations. I think they may have changed their name though. someone help me out.
there's also the Mankillers out of california:
http://geocities.com/wellesley/9574/
that's all i know of now.

nicky
contemptradish is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-05-2001, 10:12 PM   #5
Tiny Tot Dancer
 
Vicki's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Vicki is an unknown quantity at this point
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: On the north shore-Louisiana
Posts: 58
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

The only all women drum I've heard of is Mankillers.
Vicki is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-07-2001, 01:14 AM   #6
Tiny Tot Dancer
 
hoksila's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
hoksila is an unknown quantity at this point
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: my house
Posts: 56
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

Well I honestly don't know too much about all women groups. But what I do know is our traditions where I'm from says that the drum is for women only, but that's an Ojibway tradition. On the other hand, I know that in the Midewin Society that woman can handle drums to sing the ceremony songs. I know of a few groups that have had women singers on them, but not all women. As noted already before,

Cathedral Lakes
Little Boy
and also:
Black Lodge
Kicking Woman

I'm not sure of the first two if it's in their traditions or not, but the last two I know are a part of the Blackfoot tribe and I do believe that they allow women to sit down at the drum. I really don't believe it's wrong if you've always followed those teachings, but if you're just all of a sudden saying that you're gonna start an all women group, I think the people starting the group should touch up on the teachings of their tribe.

AHO.
Miigwetch!
hoksila is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-07-2001, 05:04 AM   #7
kahkakew
Guest
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Posts: n/a
Post

I have never seen a women sit on a drum in Cree country unless it was a drum from B.C.
At the 1996 Poundmakers pow-wow, a drum of women from B.C set up a drum and everytime they sang a contest song, the dancers just stood there looking at them with disgust, and they were asked to stop and another drum sang contest, rightfully so as they were terrible.
There were many rude and unflattering comments made about them amd that was primarily because they were sitting on the drum instead of behind it and that they were terrible singers.
The previous post about mixed drums in B.C. is true and it is something I do not like but pow-wow here is like many places, adopted and imtit, poorly in many cases, traditions are not taught or earned because so many here want and use it as their supposed healing.
They do not listen to those who know..myself personally I do not dance if the mixed or womens drum is poor and even if they are sounding good I do not partically enjoy dancing to them. Here there are so many groups that all sing the same ole songs that everytime a new drum appears, they sing the same songs as they all learn from each other.
They sing no words songs because they cannot speak or understand the language so consequesntly if they sing a word song they butcher it...unlike the big drums whose women singers come in late and can hit all the right notes.....my aunt is credited with starting this style of singing with women around the back..Florence Nepoose(Deschamps) of Pigeon Lake singers in Hobbema...she has been doing it for over 25 years now and she still sounds great.
So if I had it my way there would be no women or mixed drums and women would sing behind the men as tradition dictates and as one sees it in the prairies in most circumstances.it is like having any white sing or sit on a drum, it is just wrong and traditonally unacceptable and a mockery of our ways.

Kahkakew
  Share with Facebook
Old 03-08-2001, 01:32 AM   #8
Riverwoman
Guest
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Posts: n/a
Post

I have heard of female drum groups, and have had the pleasure to listen to them! The one that I have heard was from the southern area of BC, with some very prominent pow wow people as singers, I think that they where younger then I was, about teenage years.



------------------
"Live to win, Dare to fail" James Hetfield
  Share with Facebook
Old 03-08-2001, 03:12 AM   #9
kahkakew
Guest
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Posts: n/a
Post

I think the drum you are refering to is called "Smoke signals"??? The lead singer is marrried to a Cree from Saddle Lake and they live there again and lived there for many years prior where she learnt to sing properly as did other members of the drum...funny though I have never seen them sing in Alberta as it is not accepted but you see them at lower mainland pow-wows all the time where they sound good! Still I do not like it but that will not stop them will it, even when it seems they should know better....

Kahkakew
  Share with Facebook
Old 03-09-2001, 01:23 AM   #10
Riverwoman
Guest
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Posts: n/a
Post

No, sorry but that is not the drum I was refering to. If you would like some "concrete" information on what group I was talking about, please contact me, and I shall put you in with the right source

------------------
"Live to win, Dare to fail" James Hetfield
  Share with Facebook
Old 03-09-2001, 11:14 AM   #11
wrapped in ribbonwork!
 
Czechy's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Czechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond repute
Czechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond reputeCzechy has a reputation beyond repute
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Here....for now
Posts: 1,010
Blog Entries: 4
Credits: 1,732.09
Savings: 0.00
Post

Among the Eastern Shoshone of Wyoming there was an all or mostly female drum since the 1970s. I think their name was Crying Woman. I've been to the Eastern Shoshone annual powwows but have never heard them so I don't know if they are still around or not.
Czechy is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-09-2001, 07:16 PM   #12
Tiny Tot Dancer
 
Jacques's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Jacques is a jewel in the rough
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Lakota tamakoce,SD,USA
Posts: 63
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

And if you ask that question among traditional Lakota....by golley ya might be a wahoo!
Jacques is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-09-2001, 10:47 PM   #13
Junior Dancer
 
contemptradish's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
contemptradish is a jewel in the rough
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Pine Ridge, SD
Posts: 155
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

question for kahkakew-
before you said, "my aunt is credited with starting this style of singing with women around the back..Florence Nepoose(Deschamps) of Pigeon Lake singers in Hobbema...she has been doing it for over 25 years now and she still sounds great." before that, what did women do? did they not sing at all?

-N
contemptradish is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-10-2001, 04:00 AM   #14
kahkakew
Guest
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Posts: n/a
Post

I am not aware of any woman/women ever singnig by the drum prior to that...that was around the time that competition pow-wows were really satrting up again and there was alot more opportunity to sing and compete.
The early 70's saw a huge revival in pow-wow dancing/singing as the healing movement out of addicitons started up then with Poundmakers Lodge in Edmonton.

Kahkakew
  Share with Facebook
Old 03-15-2001, 05:01 PM   #15
Pow Wow Visitor
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Vicki's sis is an unknown quantity at this point
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 3
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

Hmmm...I don't knwo what to say about this topic.
Vicki's sis is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-15-2001, 05:03 PM   #16
Pow Wow Visitor
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Vicki's sis is an unknown quantity at this point
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 3
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

Hmmm...I don't know what to say about this topic. I have never seen any women drum groups around the south...but I know they exist.
Vicki's sis is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-15-2001, 07:24 PM   #17
Tiny Tot Dancer
 
Jacques's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Jacques is a jewel in the rough
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Lakota tamakoce,SD,USA
Posts: 63
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

The topic is "NORTHERN"singing.
Jacques is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-15-2001, 07:42 PM   #18
Jinglin fool...
 
n8tivechick's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
n8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond reputen8tivechick has a reputation beyond repute
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: YES! There really is a Kalamazoo, Michigan!
Posts: 320
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

There are ALOT of posts abouts drums in here so it is not just about singing. and the singing goes along with drums.... sorry Jacques!
-Kelli
n8tivechick is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-15-2001, 08:26 PM   #19
Tiny Tot Dancer
 
HighsNLows's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
HighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant futureHighsNLows has a brilliant future
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: this way, that way
Posts: 56
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

as i see these topics, it makes me wonder about something. in what ways has the drum (powwow drum) come to the people known to be northern singers. not necessarily as a growth from tribes own traditions/ religion, but as it relates to the powwow along with the dance. ive heard and seen much talk of tribes paying for the right of dances, and of how in older days what we call now powwow dancers, and singers were called omaha stlye dancers, singers etc.
i would just like to get peoples versions on how the "powwow" drum came to various tribes, as it seems people refer to the dances as being borrowed but i dont hear as much of the drum being given to tribes. ive seen talk on that topic in as far as southern singing goes, but not for northern.
it just seems that as people follow protocal for borrowed dances, the protocol for the drum seems to not be followed as strictly. i would think that as people are dancing in the manner that came from specific tribes that their protocol should also be followed when singing in their way. i know that i am not writing this as clearly as i would like, so there may be some confusion to what i am trying to say. anyways i would like to hear how the this type of drum came to various people now known for being northern singers. thank you
HighsNLows is offline   Share with Facebook
Old 03-15-2001, 10:25 PM   #20
Tiny Tot Dancer
 
Jacques's Avatar
 
User InfoThanks / Tagging InfoGifts / Achievements / AwardsvBActivity Stats
Jacques is a jewel in the rough
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Lakota tamakoce,SD,USA
Posts: 63
Credits: 0.00
Savings: 0.00
Post

Women sitting at the drum is NOT a Lakota tradition.And i am ready to bet that it is neither for the Cheyennes ,the Crows,the blackfeet,or the Arapaho.
.Times have changed,but it is well known among northern plain people that women sing standing up around the men.The place of Honor of a "wicaglata"[woman singer],the third circle.
Why spending time trying to make new ways when so many old traditions are dying out?Why are they dying out?May be because some people dont want to go by the ways of their ancestors,ways passed down from generation to generation,handed down from the holy ones.They want to be like white americans"I want to do what i want!it is 2001!"the brats of mankind.
What a nice way to honnor the ancestors.
You want to sing ,sing with honor like a proud native woman,not like one of those "crazy"women that the old people frown upon.
I am talking in a Lakota context.
Jacques is offline   Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
whered the drum come from? okla49er Pow Wow Singing 11 09-12-2001 05:23 PM
Singing songs into a drum travelingmocs Pow Wow Singing 4 08-27-2001 10:43 PM
has anyone ever heard of the drum group NORTHERN WHISTLE ???? Powwow_Rez_KiddZ Pow Wow Singing 1 08-24-2001 12:31 PM
First Drum Contest? Ikce Wicasa Pow Wow Singing 2 08-24-2001 11:07 AM
Hides for Drum SouthernDrumSinger Pow Wow Singing 8 06-23-2001 01:54 AM

    

Join the online community forum celebrating Native American Culture, Pow Wows, tribes, music, art, and history.

Join PowWows.com Today!

Your Guide to Native American Pow Wows Since 1996

Register For Free

Enjoy the benefits of being a member of PowWows.com!

Join our Native American online community focused on Pow Wow singing, dancing, crafts, Native American music, Native American videos, and more.

Add your Pow Wow to our Calendar

Share your photos and videos

Play games, enter contests, and much more!






New Threads

Pow Wow Calendar Search

 
Month: Year:

Location:

Videos

Featured Articles

Dance Styles

Crafts

Gallery