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Old 12-14-2011, 04:57 PM   #21
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He should pay off the national debt.
How many times has he filed for bankruptcy?
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"I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal. You know, it's like on 'The Apprentice.' It's not personal. It's just business," Trump told ABC's George Stephanopoulos.
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Quick note... the large troop withdraw slated to begin at the end of the month was set into motion before Obama took office.
Thank you. And sorry it's still not Bushes fault, this spend now and pay later stuff has been going on since before Bush. And it's not a surplus if you borrowed it from China before you left office. That is still a debt.

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I marked "other" but what I really ment was "undecided". Bush
created the mess we are in now, and I think the Republicans will
just do more of the same reckless deregulation; some might even
try to repeal Social Security, Disability Insurance, Unemployment
Insurance, Medicare/Medical, Child Labor laws, the minimum wage,
and the 40 hour work week. But Obama said he could fix the
economy, and he hasn't. I do give him credit for killing Osama
bin Laden and bin Ladin's number 20 m,an (Al Zarkawi?) and for
helping to overthrow Qadaffi. Ron Paul is running as a peace
candidate, but I don't agree with any of his positions on
domestic issues--he is the most radical of the Republicans.
Romney flipflops too much on the issues and I don't know where
he stands, although I give him credit for opposing Rick Perry's
attacks on Social Security. He opposes Health Care reform at
the national level but supports it at the state level. (He
wrote healthcare reform legislation for his own state which
became the basis for Obama's national healthcare program.)
Huntsman seems to have positions very similar to Romney's, but
most of the other Republican candidates have very regressive
positions on social issues.



Sorry bout that... I forgot to put undecided on the poll..... I'll see if I can change it....

On the Ron Paul issues, which domestic issues is it that you do not agree with? Just curious.
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I agree not all of it's Bush's fault, borrowing and paying later has gone on for decades. He did destroy the Clinton surplus though.
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Post troop withdraw

Also, the whole time troops were "Leaving" Iraq, they were actually transferring straight to Afghanistan. Our Base doubled in Population overnight. From many accounts that I heard from those who transferred, Iraq was a cake walk compared to what we were going through in Afghanistan.
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I marked "other" but what I really ment was "undecided". Bush
created the mess we are in now, and I think the Republicans will
just do more of the same reckless deregulation; some might even
try to repeal Social Security, Disability Insurance, Unemployment
Insurance, Medicare/Medical, Child Labor laws, the minimum wage,
and the 40 hour work week. But Obama said he could fix the
economy, and he hasn't. I do give him credit for killing Osama
bin Laden and bin Ladin's number 20 m,an (Al Zarkawi?) and for
helping to overthrow Qadaffi. Ron Paul is running as a peace
candidate, but I don't agree with any of his positions on
domestic issues--he is the most radical of the Republicans.
Romney flipflops too much on the issues and I don't know where
he stands, although I give him credit for opposing Rick Perry's
attacks on Social Security. He opposes Health Care reform at
the national level but supports it at the state level. (He
wrote healthcare reform legislation for his own state which
became the basis for Obama's national healthcare program.)
Huntsman seems to have positions very similar to Romney's, but
most of the other Republican candidates have very regressive
positions on social issues.
Why dont you OPEN YOUR EYES....PEOPLE! you talk about BUSH so much in the "present negative", that you forget how much OBAMA has been doing to drag down AMERICA since day 1 of his ‘taking office’. I use that term lightly...as OBAMA has spent more time shmoozin and jet setting around the country, than he has spent actually in the WHITE HOUSE. he has been essentially “DOUBLE DIPPING”...being paid to go on tv 24/7, ....AND we are paying him to ‘WORK’ in the WHITE HOUSE. SO, my question is...who pays for his flights on AIR FORCE ONE, his extra security, all their meals, etc...while he has been jetting around CAMPAIGNING! HECK, THE GUY NEVER STOPPED!

Who needs a president, if he is rarely in the office? For that matter, why do we bother paying for upkeep of the WHITE HOUSE , IF THE PRESIDENT ISNT IN IT?! what OBAMA needs to be doing is working his a$$ off to do SOME good for AMERICA. Its really hard for me to understand how he can get away with doing anything and everything, an ‘enemy’ of the STATE would do. Dont go blaming ANYONE else for what OBAMA HAS DONE. Just like any of us, he has to take RESPONSIBILITY, SOMETIME since HE is the one who is in office and supposedly in charge of THE NATION!

Now ask me if i voted for OBAMA....I would PROUDLY say.... H.3.L.L. NO!
Now ask me if i am going to vote for him THIS time around.....i’d say.....DOUBLE H.3.L.L. NO!
Commander-in-Chief or not....how can someone who has NEVER SERVED A SINGLE DAY IN HIS LIFE....BE the Commander-in-Chief of ANY MILITARY?
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AF, you do know that when he travels his office travels with him. Air Force One etc are mobile Oval Offices. Bush also traveled non-stop as well it's part of being the president of the best country on Earth in an ever expanding global environment.
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AF, you do know that when he travels his office travels with him. Air Force One etc are mobile Oval Offices. Bush also traveled non-stop as well it's part of being the president of the best country on Earth in an ever expanding global environment.
yes...i sure would like to know just how much it costs to fly him around so much, on top of maintaining the WHITE HOUSE.
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The total cost sounds really high and thats because most of us are not used to seeing or handling that kind of money but in the grand scheme of things it's minute compared to the budget.
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The total cost sounds really high and thats because most of us are not used to seeing or handling that kind of money but in the grand scheme of things it's minute compared to the budget.
oh sure we are....after all, it comes outta our pockets!
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True, and government waste is all over the place, from the offices on Capitol hill to the battlefields in the mid-east. Too many hands in the pot.
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I saw that, it was pushed through by some Republicans and I think a Democrat or two... Obama has the chance to veto it!

Laws like this and the two acts listed in my sig are going to lead us to another civil war.
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yes...i sure would like to know just how much it costs to fly him around so much, on top of maintaining the WHITE HOUSE.
Reports indicate that it is in the region of 181,757.00 per hour.

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thank ya YAAHL. i was wondering just how much of my taxes were supporting him....that would be every single sweat earned, quadrupled taxed penny of it....since i first paid when i was a young teen. Oh , and then you have to add my two childrens taxes too....and their children, which neither of them have yet!

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Obama: Administration has made Washington relations with tribes a turning point

By Associated Press, Published: December 2

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama met for the third time with Native American tribal leaders on Friday, signing an executive order on tribal colleges and assuring them “you have a president that’s got your back.”

Obama has won plaudits among Native Americans by breaking through a logjam of inaction on tribal issues and for giving a voice to their issues with the annual gatherings in Washington. At Friday’s conference, Obama announced he had signed an executive order establishing a White House initiative on American Indian and Alaska native education. The initiative will be overseen by an executive director appointed by the interior and education secretaries.

“You have an administration that understands the challenges that you face and most importantly you have a president that’s got your back,” Obama said, drawing cheers.

Obama reminded the leaders from the 565 federally recognized Native American tribes and representing Alaska natives that he had promised “a true government-to-government relationship” that recognizes “our sometimes painful” history and respects Native American heritage.

“I believe that one day we’re going to be able to look back on these years and say that was the turning point ... the moment when we stopped repeating the mistakes of the past and started building a better future,” Obama said.

Obama shared the stage briefly with Hartford and Mary Black Eagle, his Crow nation “parents” who “adopted” him during the 2008 campaign. He joked that his “parents” were grateful for not having to experience his “terrible 2s” or “terrible teens.”

“They got me after I was a little more polished,” Obama said.

Several leaders at the Tribal Nations Conference said Obama had kept his promises to them.

Bill John Baker, principal chief of the largest Indian tribe, the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma, said before the conference that American Indians have been both “well-served” and “hurt” by other administrations, but Obama has “backed up his words with actions that have made a positive impact on the lives of Native people.”

“Obama has done better for tribes than the others, except for the Nixon administration,” said Ben Nighthorse Campbell, a former Republican senator from Colorado. President Richard Nixon advocated tribal self-determination as official U.S. policy.

With the accomplishments come greater expectations from a people whose rates of unemployment, violent crime, youth suicides, poverty and high school dropouts are significantly higher than in the rest of the country.

“It’s two steps forward, one step backward,” Campbell said. “No matter what we do, we have to find a way for Indians to be self-sufficient and not dependent on the federal government, except for those services required by treaty in the old days.”

The administration still must implement laws Obama signed and fund lawsuit settlements. Also, tribes want to see the administration push legislation through Congress to get around a 2009 Supreme Court decision limiting the interior secretary’s authority to accept land into federal trust on behalf of Indian tribes. The decision has held up economic development for tribes.

Salazar told the leaders Friday the court’s decision was a “wrong decision” and needs to be fixed.

“We still need improvements in roads, bridges, schools, hospitals as well as addressing the digital, electrical and clean water disparities that hamper development and quality of life issues for our people,” Baker said.

Still, Obama has assembled a respectable bragging list. He has:

— Signed the Tribal Law and Order Act to improve law enforcement and public safety in tribal communities.

— Renewed the Indian Health Care Improvement Act and made it permanent.

— Settled the class-action Cobell lawsuit over federal government mismanagement of royalties for oil, gas, timber and grazing leases and an American Indian farmers discrimination lawsuit.

— Nominated Arvo Mikkanen to be a federal judge in Oklahoma. His nomination is awaiting Senate confirmation.

— Launched a test crime-fighting program on four reservations that early results show has led to drops in violent crime in the first year.

“We should be proud of what we’ve done together, but of course that should sharpen our resolve to do even more because as long as Native Americans face unemployment and poverty rates that are far higher than the national average we are going to have more work to do,” Obama said. He said his jobs bill would help.

Jacqueline Johnson Pata, executive director of the National Congress of American Indians and an Alaska native, said native peoples’ enthusiasm for Obama goes deeper.

Obama has embraced Native American tribal sovereignty preserved in the Constitution, court decisions and treaty agreements and made that the foundation for his administration’s dealings with tribes, Pata said.

Like former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, Obama appointed a Native American to his Intergovernmental Affairs staff. But he also appointed Kimberly Teehee, a member of the Cherokee Nation, as senior policy adviser for Native American Affairs.

In addition, Obama reminded executive department heads and agencies in a November 2009 memo of their obligation to regularly consult and collaborate with tribal officials on policies that impact Native Americans.

“I think we have made strides under the Obama administration the likes of which tribes have not seen for 30 years,” said Stacy Bohlen, executive director of the National Indian Health Board. Bohlen is a member of the Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians in Michigan.

Several agencies have yet to draft policies, according to the National Congress of American Indians.
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Didn't Teddy say that too, before he swiped the rivers?

I aint saying this just because it's Obama, because there is not a REP, DEM or IND in office who will ever care about Natives and their issues, only about $$$ and getting back the land, but wait until his "Executive Order", pulls, cancels and/or ceases Tribal Sovereignty. I'm just saying
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The more politically active I've been, the more libertarian my thoughts have become.

None of these people are "in touch" with the average (or below-average) American. They're all relatively wealthy, well connected, and have money in their campaign pockets from big business or special interests. The interests of those entities will always outweigh the interests of the common man.

If the US Government was a computer, I'd write zeros to the hard drive and reload the operating system, with a newer, improved version - one that micromanages less and governs more intelligently.

Until that kind of change takes place...nothing will be any better, regardless of who is in the White House.

I picked "other" because I don't know who I'm voting for...other than it will be No-bama. The idea that minorities should/do only vote Democrat is narrow-minded.
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@NorthofAda I'd throw the whole hard drive on a degausser and install a new one... LMFAO @ the computer reference though! I also like your comment about how it's narrow minded that minorities would only vote democrat. I think the last election boiled down to the fact that for the first time someone was running for president who looked like them.
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