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Old 04-12-2006, 10:47 AM   #1
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The DNA Age. Seeking Ancestry in DNA Ties Uncovered by Tests
THE NEW YORK TIMES
By AMY HARMON Published: April 12, 2006

Alan Moldawer's adopted twins, Matt and Andrew, had always thought of themselves as white. But when it came time for them to apply to college last year, Mr. Moldawer thought it might be worth investigating the origins of their slightly tan-tinted skin, with a new DNA kit that he had heard could determine an individual's genetic ancestry.


The results, designating the boys 9 percent Native American and 11 percent northern African, arrived too late for the admissions process. But Mr. Moldawer, a business executive in Silver Spring, Md., says they could be useful in obtaining financial aid.

"Naturally when you're applying to college you're looking at how your genetic status might help you," said Mr. Moldawer, who knows that the twins' birth parents are white, but has little information about their extended family. "I have three kids going now, and you can bet that any advantage we can take we will."

Genetic tests, once obscure tools for scientists, have begun to influence everyday lives in many ways. The tests are reshaping people's sense of themselves where they came from, why they behave as they do, what disease might be coming their way.

It may be only natural then that ethnic ancestry tests, one of the first commercial products to emerge from the genetic revolution, are spurring a thorough exploration of the question, What is in it for me?

Many scientists criticize the ethnic ancestry tests as promising more than they can deliver. The legacy of an ancestor several generations back may be too diluted to show up. And the tests have a margin of error, so results showing a small amount of ancestry from one continent may not actually mean someone has any.

Given the tests' speculative nature, it seems unlikely that colleges, governments and other institutions will embrace them. But that has not stopped many test-takers from adopting new DNA-based ethnicities and a sense of entitlement to the privileges typically reserved for them.

Prospective employees with white skin are using the tests to apply as minority candidates, while some with black skin are citing their European ancestry in claiming inheritance rights.

One Christian is using the test to claim Jewish genetic ancestry and to demand Israeli citizenship, and Americans of every shade are staking a DNA claim to Indian scholarships, health services and casino money.

"This is not just somebody's desire to go find out whether their grandfather is Polish," said Troy Duster, a sociologist at New York University who has studied the social impact of the tests. "It's about access to money and power."

Driving the pursuit of genetic bounty are start-up testing companies with names like DNA Tribes and Ethnoancestry. For $99 to $250, they promise to satisfy the human hunger to learn about one's origins and sometimes much more. On its Web site, a leader in this cottage industry, DNA Print Genomics, once urged people to use it "whether your goal is to validate your eligibility for race-based college admissions or government entitlements."

Tony Frudakis, the research director at DNAPrint, said the three-year-old company had coined the term American Indian Princess Syndrome to describe the insistent pursuit of Indian roots among many newly minted genetic genealogists. If the tests fail to turn up any, Mr. Frudakis added, "this type of customer is frequently quite angry."

DNAPrint calls the ethnic ancestry tests "recreational genomics" to distinguish them from the more serious medical and forensic applications of genetics. But as they ignite a debate over a variety of genetic birthrights, their impact may be further-reaching than anyone anticipated.

Some social critics fear that the tests could undermine programs meant to compensate those legitimately disadvantaged because of their race. Others say they highlight an underlying problem with labeling people by race in an increasingly multiracial society.

"If someone appears to be white and then finds out they are not, they haven't experienced the kinds of things that affirmative action is supposed to remedy," said Lester Monts, senior vice provost for student affairs at the University of Michigan, which won the right to use race as a factor in admissions in a 2003 Supreme Court decision.

Still, Michigan, like most other universities, relies on how students choose to describe themselves on admissions applications when assigning racial preferences.
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The DNA Age. Seeking Ancestry in DNA Ties Uncovered by Tests
THE NEW YORK TIMES
By AMY HARMON Published: April 12, 2006....clip...
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Did I get you thinking?
Quite a scam..don't you think.?

Here is a link that drops the name of the Cherokee.

http://www.comanchelodge.com/cherokee-blood.html

There are also interesting links within this link.
What is boils down to is someone making a quick buck, for those willing to pay.

At what price for the Natives? What else can be done with the use of this information out there... just another way to work the system.

And this whole link is just plain scarey. I say If you can't find it on paper on in your family history, forget about it

http://www.comanchelodge.com/native-...-dna-test.html

"It is important to remember that even if you can prove you have Indigenous roots through genetic genealogy, that this does not automatically make you eligible for enrollment in a federally recognized tribe.

People often mistakenly think by confirming this fact, that this alone makes them eligible for tribal enrollment, and it is important to let folks know that this is not the case.

Each individual Sovereign Nation has its own enrollment criteria, and I am not aware of any Federally Recognized Sovereign Tribes utilizing DNA as a means to enroll with their Nation except in rare circumstances where paternity has been established with a tribal citizen.

There are however several groups of dispersed tribes who do utilize science to find family connections for the purpose of seeking federal recognition. So for these groups this is a fantastic way to go about such things, and it has proven successful and sometimes even necessary for people to receive assistance and aid through the providing of proof of lineage among some agencies.

In some instances, people have used testing to show legal proof that they are direct descendants of enrolled people. This by the way has been extremely successful for folks of who were adopted out of the tribe, and this technique has been used as a means to establish their legal rights as a tribal citizen."
Just a small excerpt....

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...dang. Reminds me of Whome's OTHER kit.

Check it out!!

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...dang. Reminds me of Whome's OTHER kit.

Check it out!!


Now the only remaining thing left to wonder about is how you knew so well about the other kit. lol
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Now the only remaining thing left to wonder about is how you knew so well about the other kit. lol
...he's a braggart!!


In typical Plains fashion!! Braggin about their supposed "exploits".

Besides, I heard you were all braggin' about the kit's purported efficacy over on ndnsports dot com!!
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...he's a braggart!!

In typical Plains fashion!! Braggin about their supposed "exploits".

...And this is coming from someone who has an affection for plains Indian powwows and plains Indian dancing (more than his own tribal ways).


Jealousy is a form of flattery! Aho-dee doh!
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If someone is using it to get money or some other benefit, then there's a problem. But some people are sinsere in their search for who they are. It's not our business to tell them what is right or wrong in the search, only in what they do with it. It started here in the mountains of Virginia when a gentleman got ill with an illness linked to the Middle East area. He was always told he was Dutch/Irish. He asked his family and they were very secretive. His doctor did a DNA test, found out he had some Eurpoean, Africian, Middle Eastern, and Native heritage. Down here their called Mulungeans ( which is like calling someone a Nigg-- down here). People down here hid their past and became on the records all white in fear, not shame. So him and others are searching their, they honestly want to learn about themselves, for pride, health, whatever. As long as their search is honest, and their not trying to get any money for it. Let's leave them alone.
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...And this is coming from someone who has an affection for plains Indian powwows and plains Indian dancing (more than his own tribal ways).


Jealousy is a form of flattery! Aho-dee doh!
Quite the contrary. I know more about my ways than the Plains stuff. Then again......I'm having to show (Devil-Man) how to do things, beadwork, making leggings and stuff. How eff'd up is that!! A Navajo teaching a Comanche/Sioux his own ways!!

GAH!!!!!!

dang....i should charge him too.

LMAO!

When his per cap check come in?

HAHAH!

Naw....I know my ways and practice them every chance I get. I just don't mention it or brag about it.

Dang. I came across a pic of you in a buffalo robe online the other day.........looked like you had just crawled outta bed and took "Digging Bear's" buffalo robe with you!! GAH!

How ya doin "Little Big Man"?

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