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Old 10-31-2005, 06:26 PM   #1
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Angry Don't make me cause a Scene!!

The other day when I was on the bus, I overheard these two girls talking down about Native Americans. One of the girls was "White" & the other was "Black." The both of them was only sitting 2 seats away from me.

They were going on & on, saying that NDN's were illiterate, poor & we're always complaining about how much we don't get any respect. I was getting very aggravated just by sitting there listening to them.

So I kindly got up & asked them nicely to stop talking about NDN's because I am one. Well, these B!TCHES decide to get all in my face, cussing me out, telling me I needed to mind my "f*cking business." I'm not the type the person who like to start drama all out in public so I just got off the bus, without causing a scene.

Now, did I do the right thing by walking away from the problem or do you think I should've cussed them out the same way they did me? What would ya'll do if you ever got into a situation like this?
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Old 10-31-2005, 06:53 PM   #2
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CT, Just remember...some people are jerks and don't have any respect. Their behavior reflects who THEY are...not who YOU are. I would have been upset too & don't really know what I would have done or said...had to be there and depended on the time of month...AND today is Halloween sooo your going to get all kinds of crap. Hang in there and show them a better you!
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The other day when I was on the bus, I overheard these two girls talking down about Native Americans. One of the girls was "White" & the other was "Black." The both of them was only sitting 2 seats away from me.

They were going on & on, saying that NDN's were illiterate, poor & we're always complaing about how much we don't get any respect. I was getting very aggravated just by sitting there listening to them.

So I kindly got up & asked them nicely to stop talking about NDN's because I am one. Well, these B!TCHES decide to get all in my face, cussing me out, telling me I needed to mind my "f*cking business." I'm npt the type the person who like to start drama all out in public so I just got off the bus, without causing a scene.

Now, did I do the right thing by walking away from the problem or do you think I should've cussed them out the same way they did me? What would ya'll do if you ever got into a situation like this?




yes cherokee tears it is sad white people are so ignorant these days we've advanced ourselves right out of the public's view, now were either viewed as money grubbin' casino ndn's or poor drunks who are always looking for free hand out. i thinks its' good what you did. you told them to stop and they had to get all phycho on you and it was there little minds that would not let you explain yourself or tell why you did not want them to stop talking down natives. so no worries or fears c.t. enjoy being a native a god given right!!
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You can't win with those types of people. Doesn't matter what the color of their skin, they feel like they are the only people in the world, and don't you dare think different from them. There are too many of them... I have many thoughts on what I would *like* to do in situations like that. 'Course I'd also like to have a job, family, and friends who don't admire my "perty mouth."
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Lightbulb Those Poor Unfortunate souls...!

Little do they know, at least they haven't had the common courtesy to know any of us good ndn's so they were beneath you by all means! Don't let little minds bother you! I run into a few of those kind of people here even on our Rez but they have no idea or recollection that we were here 1st.
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I understand your frustration because what they done was wrong. But please don't just assume ALL white people are ignorant about the Native American Culture.
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I think you should have shot them myself. Wouldn't have mattered though, they would have been ignorant people in the next life.
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You did the right thing. If you would've cussed back at them, then you would've been playing at their level. There's no excuse for ignorance and stupidity, but just be aware that whatever wrong one does to another, it comes back to that individual three times as worse. So give yourself a pat on the back. You're the one with the smarts.
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Hmmm...I give you permission to push them off the bus.

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i would have just moved and ignored them...u can't change people like that...and i personally don't need to get myself all worked up over a couple of ignorant azzheads...
not to mention if ur a skin, maybe they were talkin shhit on purpose cuz they knew u were there...in either case, why get upset?? u know that ur not like that, that we're not like that...that would only make me work harder to prove people like that wrong...
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Well, this is going to be an unpopular view, but you should have minded your own business. They were obviously having a conversation to themselves, and this is America...people have the right to say and think whatever they want. Just because you don't agree with their views doesn't make it right for you to intervene. You would've gotten mad if you were having a conversation with a friend of yours and they had interrupted you.

Ignorant, stupid people are everywhere and in the grand majority of this country so get used to it.
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Now, did I do the right thing by walking away from the problem or do you think I should've cussed them out the same way they did me? What would ya'll do if you ever got into a situation like this?

Ctears,

You did the right thing.



Now if it were me,

and two guys were popin' off....








I would have given them a taste of ....





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Hell if it were me I would just start talkin bout white and black folks and I'd make sure that they could hear what I said!
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WHat you did was the right thing. By leaving and not causing a fight. I would have had a hard time doin what you did. My blood would have been boiling! I often wish I could stand up to people who are so ignorant. And what was said earlier about someone suggesting you shouldn't have intervened. Well you had every right to say something just as they did ( you were in public afterall) only you have to stand up for yourself and others when someone says something hurtful. You have to say something and put them in their place. They are obviously not well educated enough about first nations since they so quickly stereotyped. And yes this country is full of ignorant people but no way do you have to get used to it. And your the better person for not stooping to their level and being confrontational. I heard somewhere that A persons fear and anger towards others is often something they are fearful and angry about within themselves.
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First off, lets look at one thing...does CherokeeTears look like an Indian? I don't know. If she looks like a fullblood and is unmistakable as being an Indian person then maybe, just maybe, those comments were directed at her. If not and she could maybe pass as another race, then the comments were just comments within a personal conversation between two people and what gives her the right to intervene? You'd get mad if a person of middle eastern descent intervened in a conversation you were having about how terrible Arabs are and how you get scared when one gets on a plane with you....and don't even tell me you've never had that conversation.

I just don't see that you have a right to "stand up for yourself" when you weren't the one being personally attacked. Anyways, to quote CherokeeTears, she said they were saying Indians were "always complaing about how much we don't get any respect"...isn't that what's going on here? LOL My main advice would be to grow a thicker skin and pick your battles...
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Ok, I have read what all you had said & YES I do think I did the right thing by leaving the situation & not causing a scene. But if I was in an all-around b!tchy mood, then there would've been some real drama on that bus. I like to be the bigger person in "certain" situations & if I would've went on talking about "White" or "Black" people, then I would've made an a$$ of myself because I brought myself down to their level. That's way out of my character.

Now I do believe those comments were directed at me because remember, they were only sitting 2 seats away from me.

YES, I do look like an Indian. If I was to put my picture up here, you would definitely say, " ok she is a straight up Indian." Yes I am mixed with African-American & some White but I look more Indian than any other race! I do believe they were pointing their finger at me because trust me, nobody else on that bus looked like an Indian and that's for sure! The majority of the people on that bus was "White" with some "Black" people on there as well.

So I just didn't feel comfortable sitting there knowing they were directing those comments at me & my people. I think I had every right to stand up for myself. I think its better to stand up & try to calmly end the situation by saying what you have to say & just walking away without cussing back at them. I have seen too many people get murdered over little situations like this. So I do believe I did the right thing.
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I have something to say about white people! I'm sick and dayum tired of them coming to our powwows, smelling sage and automatically thinking its pot! The last powwow I attended, they called the cops and had dogs come around sniffing for pot. All they found was SAGE! If everyone concentrated on their shortcomings instead of everyone else's, this planet might be a nice place to visit.

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I have to agree with you. I have been in many of those situations, and they are the most uncomfortablest. I say thank you for keeping your cool. I usually don't say anything to people when they talk that way. They usually feel like a heel because they don't get to me. I know that I am a much better person because of that.
I don't agree with singerdad. I know what he is saying and if I am in a public place and I am talking about someone, and someone comes up to me and says that all those people aren't like that. I know I wouldn't get mad and make a scene, by swearing and going off like they did.
I guess everybody handle problems different.
I have to say that you did what you had to. I don't think that you were wrong.
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I tend to agree with you somewhat, but there are several things to look at here. Since neither of us were there to hear the conversation, then for us to say that CherokeeTears was out of line to say what she did was really none of our business. I have had deragatory comments made to me by others and I let those others know that what they had to say was way wrong. I know previously I said that it is better to walk away from those individuals without saying anything to them, but I was in the wrong about that. Since I was not there to hear the conversation, then I retract my statement. I apologize to you, Cherokee Tears. Aho.
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You have a right to be upset, but not ALL whites think like that. I am fortunate to have Native friends and teachers who are tolerant of other racial backgrounds. My mother's father and my mother taught me to be understanding of other cultures and be proud of my own. I attend powwows every summer. I have been using sage to smudge and cleanse in ritual for many years. Just be aware that not all of us are ignorant like folks who think sage smells like pot.
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