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Old 04-15-2013, 04:33 PM   #1
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How do you feel about....

the state of this country? Do you honestly think that things are better or do you think things are worse?

What about the 2nd Amendment?

Providing aid to those that mean to harm us?

The president?

North Korea?


IMO, things are worse. Unemployment has risen faster then when Bush was in office. Gas prices have almost tripled in some places since obummer took office.

The violation and unlawful use of executive power to try and establish gun control is a major fail (some major fails of gun control in history happened in Nazi germany, cambodia, rwanda, turkey, china etc.)

Giving millions of dollars to islamic factions such as the rebels in Syria who are being backed by Al-Qaeda.

Dont get me started on this treasonous liar.

I am hoping they try something. As far as their nuclear weapons are concerned, it is a major fail.


I am wondering how you people feel considering most indians are pacifists. Most answers I got were, "it doesnt matter to me because it doesnt affect me." WRONG. As a citizen of this country (and I know Im gonna get some answers such as "we were her first, this is my country blah blah blah".) you should be concerned. Canadiens, no not looking for your opinion, you got your own problems to deal with. So anyway, without your bs attacks on me and my viewpoints, what are yours?
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the state of this country? Do you honestly think that things are better or do you think things are worse?



What about the 2nd Amendment?



Providing aid to those that mean to harm us?

The president?

North Korea?


IMO, things are worse. Unemployment has risen faster then when Bush was in office. Gas prices have almost tripled in some places since obummer took office.

The violation and unlawful use of executive power to try and establish gun control is a major fail (some major fails of gun control in history happened in Nazi germany, cambodia, rwanda, turkey, china etc.)

Giving millions of dollars to islamic factions such as the rebels in Syria who are being backed by Al-Qaeda.

Dont get me started on this treasonous liar.

I am hoping they try something. As far as their nuclear weapons are concerned, it is a major fail.


I am wondering how you people feel considering most indians are pacifists. Most answers I got were, "it doesnt matter to me because it doesnt affect me." WRONG. As a citizen of this country (and I know Im gonna get some answers such as "we were her first, this is my country blah blah blah".) you should be concerned. Canadiens, no not looking for your opinion, you got your own problems to deal with. So anyway, without your bs attacks on me and my viewpoints, what are yours?
I don't really see where things are better, I have been unemployed since 2010! Gas prices are ridiculous, food prices are pretty bad too, we can't afford healthcare even though my husband's employment offers it...it would cost over $100 a week coming out of his paycheck!

I still believe we have the right to bear arms, not sure whether we need assault rifles, do need to do thorough background checks for someone to purchase a gun....but then again you never know when something will click in anyone's (ANYONE'S) head that will cause them to go off and kill innocent people. I believe we all have the potential to cause another person harm.

Don't really know enough about this to have an opinion!

I'm not a political person, so I feel it doesn't really matter who is in office they all have their bs!

He's young, trying to make his mark in life. I don't think if he sent a missile it would get close enough to U.S. but I could be wrong!

With the recent (yesterday) Boston Marathon Explosions, I think we have forgotten that we are not as safe as we think! We should ALWAYS be aware of our surroundings!

Just my thoughts!
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I think the idea that we have a central government in control and that the world is comprised of separate countries controlled by their own governments is rapidly becoming fiction. We have a global business entity and a bunch of consumers. The real wars being waged are, who is going to put a McDonalds or TGI Fridays or manufacturing plant where, who is going to supply the weapons to kill whoever is a threat to this, can I control all the water and air and oil, and where am I (the tycoon) gonna hide if I screw up in my global conquests and wars.

You can learn everything you need to know about global politics from the show Hoarders. Many very wealthy people became sociopathic and isolated in the acquistion of their wealth and feel the world is going to end anyway, so why not get all you can? They may not have the normal connections with family and community. With that attitude at the helm, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy, and there will be nothing holy about it, it will be due to man's plans.

Forgot to add, dem and worse off. and agree with @Stands Alone that it doesn't matter. Both parties work for the same boss (corporation).

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Ok, I'll bite being one of the few dems on here!


In some ways we are better and some worse.

I'm very frustrated by how partisan things have gotten. It was like that during the last few of Bush and have increase sense. The parties hate each other with such furor.

And I'm not sure how we fix that now.

With the rise of social media people can spread so much mis-truths and hate about each party.

A friend of mine actually posted this morning blaming Obama for not catching the Boston bomber last night. What????

As for the 2nd amendment, well....

I'm Southern! I've been raised around guns my whole life.

I don't think at all we should take away guns.

But there has to be something done.

Yes, I know it is the person not the gun. But when these people use a tool that can kill so much more efficiently than other weapons we have problems.

I've been driving cars since I was 15 but I can't go out and drive an 18 wheeler without some training.

Maybe we need some training requirements, license requirements for certain types of weapons (notice I didn't say just guns).

It still boggles my mind that the man at VT bought 20,000 rounds in a few weeks with no one noticing that. He had never bought a gun or bullet in his life, then all of a sudden he has a stockpile?? That should raise a flag somewhere.

On the other hand I have friends that shoot more than 10,000 rounds a month, sometimes a weekend.

Couldn't we come up with a way to say yes, you are a trained, experienced, and licensed, you can buy unlimited rounds. But no to the people buying their first gun - you can't buy 20,000 rounds this week. Let's start you with 100 or whatever the number is.

Just my thoughts.

Have fun tearing them apart!

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Old 04-16-2013, 10:04 PM   #5
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Love the responses. Paul, democrat huh? I'm sorry brother. LOL! kidding. But yes some of the points yoou mention are true. As a Conservative, my views and ideals are different then from wayward liberals or RINOs. As far as guns go, they should not be taken away for the actions of a few. You mentionit is a tool. It is a tool. Same as a spoon or a lighter. Its the manner in the way its used that makes it attractive. I was raised with a gun in my hand and the love of family in the other. I do think the mental health awareness should be focused on just a little more. In every case of deadly shootings, each individual had something going on in them. Adam Lanza, Aspergers Disease. Jared Laughtner, schizophrenia. Seung -Hui Cho, selective mutism and depression. The shooter in Aurora was being seen by a psychiatrist although he was a doctorate student. In each case, warning signs were given weeks ahead of their acts. Shouldnt that say something? Isnt it alsoa wonder as to why there seems to be more school shootings in this presidents 2 terms, more than any other? Just a thought. Take the bombing yesterday, votes were to be taken on the bill for gun control, and the nation focused on that instead of what was happening in the Senate. Just throwing those out there. Anyway, my thoughts.
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the state of this country? Do you honestly think that things are better or do you think things are worse?

What about the 2nd Amendment?

Providing aid to those that mean to harm us?

The president?

North Korea?


IMO, things are worse. Unemployment has risen faster then when Bush was in office. Gas prices have almost tripled in some places since obummer took office.

The violation and unlawful use of executive power to try and establish gun control is a major fail (some major fails of gun control in history happened in Nazi germany, cambodia, rwanda, turkey, china etc.)

Giving millions of dollars to islamic factions such as the rebels in Syria who are being backed by Al-Qaeda.

Dont get me started on this treasonous liar.

I am hoping they try something. As far as their nuclear weapons are concerned, it is a major fail.


I am wondering how you people feel considering most indians are pacifists. Most answers I got were, "it doesnt matter to me because it doesnt affect me." WRONG. As a citizen of this country (and I know Im gonna get some answers such as "we were her first, this is my country blah blah blah".) you should be concerned. Canadiens, no not looking for your opinion, you got your own problems to deal with. So anyway, without your bs attacks on me and my viewpoints, what are yours?
Are you my long lost brother?!?!?! I agree with you on all of it. lol!
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The ongoing issues with our country were initiated under Reagan and furthered under both Bush's regimes. Clinton showed solid leadership and Obama's leadership has been spent digging us out of a two generation ditch caused by unfettered Capitalism and backwards-leaning conservative dogma.

1. Unemployment is, overall, lower than under Bush's second term, unless you're trying to blame Obama for the spike that occurred before any of his programs took effect.

2. Obama has IN NO WAY abused Executive power as codified by the Supreme Court via either 2A limitations or universal healthcare.

By "treasonous liar," you must be referring to GWB?

As for blaming mental illness for gun deaths in this country (to borrow a vetted quote), "...if you combine the populations of Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Australia, you'll get a population roughly the size of the United States. We had 32,000 gun deaths last year, they had 112. Do you think it's because Americans are more homicidal by nature? Or do you think it's because those guys have gun control laws?"

Either way, it's an argument FOR restrictions and background checks.
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The ongoing issues with our country were initiated under Reagan and furthered under both Bush's regimes. Clinton showed solid leadership and Obama's leadership has been spent digging us out of a two generation ditch caused by unfettered Capitalism and backwards-leaning conservative dogma.

1. Unemployment is, overall, lower than under Bush's second term, unless you're trying to blame Obama for the spike that occurred before any of his programs took effect.

2. Obama has IN NO WAY abused Executive power as codified by the Supreme Court via either 2A limitations or universal healthcare.

By "treasonous liar," you must be referring to GWB?

As for blaming mental illness for gun deaths in this country (to borrow a vetted quote), "...if you combine the populations of Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Australia, you'll get a population roughly the size of the United States. We had 32,000 gun deaths last year, they had 112. Do you think it's because Americans are more homicidal by nature? Or do you think it's because those guys have gun control laws?"

Either way, it's an argument FOR restrictions and background checks.
LOL! Thought you had some intelligience. If unemployment was statistically lower, explain why more people are on unemployment and the fact there are no jobs available to those that actually qualify for those jobs?
No way abused Executive Priviledge???? LOL!!! Need to quit reading Mother Jones and actually look at real numbers that are not supplied by those that try to cover his goofs.
Yes treasonous liar. Not saying Bush was perfect, but he wouldnt have let 4 Americans in an AMERICAN embassy die without help, or covering Eric Holders failed Fast and Furious program.
As for your "quote", what are you really quoting from where? Are you basing this on actual homicides or are you lumping every number together to inflate the reason? If the restricitons and background checks are what you crave along with control, explain CHICAGO. that city has the highest crime rate in America yet they restrict guns and already utilize the control you crave. Big fail there. That makes your points invalid. Sorry brotha. Need actual facts and numbers and not the same liberal rhetoric.
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Polarised. It's actually very ridiculous anything, and everything comes down to party lines. Too many people are in lockstep with their party. There is no more conversation, no more empathy, no more dialogue, just monologues of "I am right, you are wrong, (and for some reason) Stop oppressing meeeee!" coming from both sides of the aisle.

Basically, It's a sh!t sandwich either way. The only difference voting Democrat, or Republican makes is what type bread on which it is served.

Call me unrealistic, or even crazy, but I think ther's got to be a third option other than "Starve the poor" or "feed the lazy"

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I've seen a lot of over simplistic views on the topic which basically add up to "guns are bad". There seems to be an inability to distinguish "bad" from "dangerous" (which is why a lot of people also want to exterminate pit bulls) Again this comes back to party lines and being in lockstep. I'm fairly liberal on a few topics, gun control is not one of them. Like Paul G, I too am a son of the South, and I grew up around guns as well

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I admit freely, I am not informed enough to form a responsible opinion on this.

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In 2008? I loved him. But as the warrantless wiretappings continue to be legal, and Gitmo stays open, and air strikes can legally be ordered on Americans on US soil, I admit I've lost respect for him. Not that I wish Romney had won. Romney's father ran against Nixon, and Romney himself has run several times at his own considerable expense. Basically, the Romney's have spent a fortune trying to get in the Whitehouse for several decades. I'm forced to wonder what sort of return they expect on such an investment. To me, this is a scary scary thought.

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The bombings the other day are proof that you don't need guns to kill or maim large amounts of people. Hell the news gave away the instructions on how to build a pressure cooker bomb - including the use of a thyristor and a cheap cell phone to make a radio controlled detonator, they even told you where to solder the leads to! The only thing they didn't do was tell you how much of whatever choice explosive to mix in.

Obama is just as big of a liar as GWB was, the only difference is in what they lie about. I understand that you can plan on doing something, like closing Gitmo, but then later on after more analysis you realize that you can't. It happens. I remember watching the town hall debates last year and when someone asked him "how are you going to take AK-47s out of the hands of dangerous criminals and off the streets?" Obama responded by saying Thanks and then told the lady "Mam, most gun crimes are committed with handguns and not AK-47s", he also in the past has said that he wasn't going to pursue another "assault weapons" ban". However playing on an emotional response to the recent tragedies of last year he and people like Michael Bloomberg and Diane Feinstein are proposing a bunch of feel good measures in an attempt to curb gun violence. They won't work. Another example, Obama said he wasn't going to raise taxes on those making under $250K, well he pulled a sneaky maneuver on that because while he didn't directly raise taxes he allowed for certain tax breaks, like the payroll tax break, to expire. That cost most middle class families an additional $50 to $100. That doesn't sound like much but when you consider that gas and food prices are pretty high it's a lot of money to loose. It's like an additional bill.

Whats the difference between buying 10,000 rounds in one trip to a gun show vs stockpiling over the course of a year? None. Another pointless law.

I agreed with the expanded background checks provided that there was a clause that said that the establishment of a national gun registry was illegal for any government does.

People stop quoting 32,000 gun deaths in that fashion when only 1/3 of that is homicide and most of those were criminal on criminal violence. See the FBI's Uniform Crime Report for details. The other 2/3 is suicides and accidents, which are no laughing or discountable matter but those who are serious about killing themselves are going to.

Unemployment is really hard to measure because the unemployment rate released by the feds every month does not take into consideration those who are no longer eligible for unemployment benefits or those who have lost hope or those who did not have jobs that allowed them to have it or just didn't work long enough to be eligible.

Eric Holder is a moron.

North Korea is not a major threat. They are nothing more than that kid everyone knew in school that ran his mouth to everyone and didn't get beat up for it because they have an older brother that everyone was afraid of. Simply put they only have approximately 30 days of gasoline, they are using tanks from 1954 and the latest of most of their military technology is stuff from the early 90s. They don't stand a chance against us. Our navy would sink theirs in a couple of days and then continue to pummel them into oblivion. We have missiles that can knock their junk out of the sky. Their nukes are weaker than what was dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, however they are nukes nonetheless.

In the end, would we really be better off with Romney in office, the answer is no. He was just a puppet for big corporations. We would still be debating gun control and all the same issues. I don't necessarily hold Obama at fault for every issue with the economy but there were some things he did that caused massive uncertainty which cause employers to hold off on hiring - chiefly a chunk of Obamacare. Speaking of which Obamacare was legalized by the SCOTUS as part of the taxing power of the government, so again he raised taxes after saying he wasn't going to.

The country is divided and polarized in way not seen since the civil war.

We are in the actively flushing toilet.
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Need actual facts and numbers and not the same liberal rhetoric.
I have it -- as does anyone that can read -- but there's no legitimate point in trying to educate those who take anomalies and try to extrapolate them (like isolating Chicago, claiming it's representative of America, then parsing out "crime rate" but not gun deaths) as fact to soothe the failure of conservatism.

Quite simply, Republicans have buried us on nearly every level since Reagan. (Complete sellout to the NRA is merely a prime example.)

I could knock this down point-by-point but there's no actual reason as upcoming mid-terms will be self correcting when the Tea Party implodes the Right.
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All I read was a knock to liberal ideas. And reading other comments I can't help to notice that the author label opposing intellect as inferior to his. All I can say is (albeit your opinion was just that, an opinion) neither you, I, or anybody else here has the intelligence, skill, strategy or mannerism to make such conclusions--I believe that's what think tanks and gov't depts are for.
Bottom line just another guy hating on Obama. BTW you lost all credibility by resorting to name-calling (Obummer).

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The country is divided and polarized in way not seen since the civil war.

We are in the actively flushing toilet.
I'm sure that's what conservatives believed then, too. Of course, we're a much improved nation due to liberal progressives pressing for societal advancement at that time.

Growth takes change and change scares those who survive by manipulating the status quo. As it is, upheaval is coming and the small-minded are just going to have to get over it as we continue to evolve as a nation.

That's the price paid in moving past adolescence.

We're a very young country...
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I have it -- as does anyone that can read -- but there's no legitimate point in trying to educate those who take anomalies and try to extrapolate them (like isolating Chicago, claiming it's representative of America, then parsing out "crime rate" but not gun deaths) as fact to soothe the failure of conservatism.

Quite simply, Republicans have buried us on nearly every level since Reagan. (Complete sellout to the NRA is merely a prime example.)

I could knock this down point-by-point but there's no actual reason as upcoming mid-terms will be self correcting when the Tea Party implodes the Right.
Be that as it may, you introduced these statistics to the thread. You are responsible for citing such a claim if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise, it is no different than handing in a term paper, and telling the reader "look it up yourself" on the 'works cited' page.

More importantly if you think "there's no legitimate point in trying to educate those who take anomalies and try to extrapolate them" Why would you deign to bring them to our attention in the first place?
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More importantly if you think "there's no legitimate point in trying to educate those who take anomalies and try to extrapolate them" Why would you deign to bring them to our attention in the first place?
Because some people do bother to think.

Perhaps they're reading.

Relatively soon, this will fix itself.
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BTW. Before we start the liberal vs conservative name calling..

I consider myself to be left leaning with libertarian ideas. I believe in social reforms as long as personal responsibility still plays a role and people take the initiative to fix things. I believe in the 2nd amendment.

Those are just some examples but you get where I'm going. I'm the kind of perperson that just doesn't apply the same mindset to every topic but rather I take the time to examine a topic and find what I believe will work the best even if that means it falls into the beliefs of ultra conservatives or whatever belief. 95% of the people in this country don't do that.
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I take the time to examine a topic and find what I believe will work the best even if that means it falls into the beliefs of ultra conservatives or whatever belief. 95% of the people in this country don't do that.
Right. There's really no use in towing party lines. Too many good men died for my right to form my own opinion for me to throw it away by blindly subscribing to someone else's.
The idea that I should keep in a strict, unwavering lockstep with anyone else's views in a free society is, to me not only deplorable, but irresponsible.
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All this borrowing money and printing money and handing out to unions, special interest groups, etc. isn't getting the Country any closer to fiscal responsibility. You're kids, kids will have to pay the bill. Not us.
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