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Old 01-28-2006, 11:20 PM   #21
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this all sounds very familiar

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im not sure if i ever needed acceptance by anybody to maintain who i am. i dont give a hoot what you think i am. its not important to me. i cannot let something like other peoples ignorance stop me from speaking my language or praying my way or living the life. any other excuses?
I don't think anyone's asking you to change injunboy. I do think you have some personal issues tho and you seem to be taking it out on people at different threads. I don't think I want to keep replying to your childish behavior on Hywalker's thread or anywhere else. Whatever your problem is...go sleep it off tonight and hope you feel better in the morning!
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I am 1/512 Dutch. I know in my heart that this is so. When I see windmills, my heart soars. I purchased a pair of wooden shoes at a yard sale. I had to have them. When I put them on visions of tulips surround me. The story of the child who plugged a hole in the dyke turned me to tears.

I tell people of my lost heritage but they take one look at me and say, "No way man! You're Anishinaabe all the way!" What can I do?



I first submitted a post similar to this a few years ago and my situation has not changed. I tried to join a Dutch-Canadian club with no success. My skin color has been a detriment to my being accepted. My Ojibwe accent is unmistakeable and is hard to disguise.

Would a trip to the homeland help me out? I don't know if I should chance it as ( I heard) there are drug cafes and the sex trade is blatantly displayed in windows. Is that bad? I want so much to learn and partake of my Dutch heritage in every aspect.
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This is gonna be a good thread...


I'm going to go get my popcorn!

I'm with Joe's Dad...Just wait, I need coffee for this one too...
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I am 1/512 Dutch. I know in my heart that this is so. When I see windmills, my heart soars. I purchased a pair of wooden shoes at a yard sale. I had to have them. When I put them on visions of tulips surround me. The story of the child who plugged a hole in the dyke turned me to tears.

I tell people of my lost heritage but they take one look at me and say, "No way man! You're Anishinaabe all the way!" What can I do?



I first submitted a post similar to this a few years ago and my situation has not changed. I tried to join a Dutch-Canadian club with no success. My skin color has been a detriment to my being accepted. My Ojibwe accent is unmistakeable and is hard to disguise.

Would a trip to the homeland help me out? I don't know if I should chance it as ( I heard) there are drug cafes and the sex trade is blatantly displayed in windows. Is that bad? I want so much to learn and partake of my Dutch heritage in every aspect.
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I am 1/512 Dutch.

Would a trip to the homeland help me out? I don't know if I should chance it as ( I heard) there are drug cafes and the sex trade is blatantly displayed in windows. Is that bad? I want so much to learn and partake of my Dutch heritage in every aspect.

LOL I'll make the trip with ya if you want. I'm probably less dutch than that but I'm thinking Amsterdam might be a good place to learn of spirituality don't you? heheheh


Look, I know we have quite a few people here of questionable ancestry and I overlook it most of the time becaues it does'nt mean they are'nt usually good people to make friends with. Some are cheesy, some are dilusional, some just for some reason in their hearts need to be "something" so bad that you gotta feel sorry for them for not allowing themselves to be happy otherwise.
We know all too well it's not easy being indian, full blood, mixed bloods, urban or reservation. And yet we would'nt change who we are for the world now would we? I think that's more the main attraction for some of these guys than anything... cause regardless how indian we do or do not look, how badly we are treated, no matter how low in life we can get, we are still proud to be who we are. And I think if alot of these guys would search that native feeling heart of theirs, that's all they want to really have is pride in themselves. That's why so many white folks join the KKK and other occults is cause they think that these guys have the answers to what can make them feel good about themselves.

So I gotta ask this... because this has been bugging me since reading some of the responses on this thread and others in the past:
When you talk about as living as close to the culture as you can, what do you mean? I ask this cause culture is'nt just items and clothes and speaking the language.. it's the people themselves and the community. I do'nt live back home like I want... but I had to seriously think about how am I living that is "culturally" tuscarora and I found my answer, but what's yours? I'm not going to say mine so there's no regurgitating what I say in the answers.
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Somebody pass the butter.

Wanna bottle of Weinard's Rootbeer, Joe's dad? I would just love to throw in my opinions, but I'll wait until one more person starts their post with," my great, great grandfather or grandmother was a full-blooded Cherokee...."
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Wanna bottle of Weinard's Rootbeer, Joe's dad? I would just love to throw in my opinions, but I'll wait until one more person starts their post with," my great, great grandfather or grandmother was a full-blooded Cherokee...."
If I tell you my great-grandfather was a Cherokee Princess would that work? Dang!!
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ive always wondered what the reaction would be if ndn people started dressing up as priests and doing confessions etc... i dont think our life expectancy would be too long lol
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My great, great grandfather is Chief Cherokee.

He lived in North Carolina in the early 1800's, he had a great tribes.


Joe's Dad, I loves popcorns too!

When Indians and actions movies on the TV then I start eating popcorns.
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If I read a bunch of books about white society and try to preach it does that make me a textbook wasicu????
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If I read a bunch of books about white society and try to preach it does that make me a textbook wasicu????
you could tell people youre great great grandmother was a full blooded european princess.....
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I am 1/512 Dutch. I know in my heart that this is so. When I see windmills, my heart soars. I purchased a pair of wooden shoes at a yard sale. I had to have them. When I put them on visions of tulips surround me. The story of the child who plugged a hole in the dyke turned me to tears.

I tell people of my lost heritage but they take one look at me and say, "No way man! You're Anishinaabe all the way!" What can I do?



I first submitted a post similar to this a few years ago and my situation has not changed. I tried to join a Dutch-Canadian club with no success. My skin color has been a detriment to my being accepted. My Ojibwe accent is unmistakeable and is hard to disguise.

Would a trip to the homeland help me out? I don't know if I should chance it as ( I heard) there are drug cafes and the sex trade is blatantly displayed in windows. Is that bad? I want so much to learn and partake of my Dutch heritage in every aspect.
Hey I found a Dutch cpl that said they would adopt you, of course it will cost a few hundred (due to the paperwork lol) but then i'd expect you'll be wanting to know all our secret ceremonies and handshakes. lmao u all are too funny :)
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Wannabe that doesn't like Wannabe's

I should know better than to get in on this thread, but…
I fit under the “great grandma was an Indian” category, but also dislike the wannabe’s at powwow’s. The vendors and dancers with their hair dyed black are annoying for sure. Living in the east we have a lot more assimilated people than bloods, so it is the norm around here. I have very little problem because I look a little Indian. The point of my post is about my son.

I have made a very interesting observation with my second son. Genetics are a mystery and although he is only about 1/64 native, he arrived with really dark hair and skin. It’s a good thing he looks just like me otherwise! Lol. When we go to powwow’s he is treated better because he looks Indian. He fits in with the bloods and has a different experience than his siblings. We vacationed in Cherokee, NC and tourists were taking his picture. At South Dakota powwows he has been mistaken for a blood by the other kids. It is too bad that a native’s “indianness” is judged by looks, but that is reality. So is my boy happy with the way he looks, no not always. At school he is asked “what are you”, “why is your skin so dark”, etc. etc.. He is the least interested in his Indian heritage out of all of my kids and won’t participate at powwows. I hope it all comes into focus after he gets older.

I dance because I like it and to honor my grandfather. He was beaten by his mother when he asked questions about being Indian and was forbidden to mention it. He was proud of it all the same. My great-grandmother knew it had taken a lot of years for my family to get white and lose the prejudice, but things were different in 1900(maybe). The Keating Mt. Cherokee came to PA during the French and Indian war and assimilated by the early 1800’s. My family is the only one left that honors them. So maybe some of my motivation is spite, I feel like I am screwing all of those people that tried to wipe out the Indians just by honoring my ancestors!

Some of my personal rules:
I buy my stuff only from registered natives (although I suspect fraud exists).
I never claim to be an Indian. I am a white man with Indian heritage. (I have visited a lot of rez’s- That is not how I had to grow up).
I don’t dance at big tribal powwows. (They are a family event, and I just visit and support).
When my picture gets in the local papers I use my real name not White hawk (I try not to be mistaken as a “real” Indian)

As bad as the wannabe cultural can be, I am more irritated by the new age hippy dope smokers who “find” enlightenment thru Indian spirituality. No offense to anyone for any reason. For me it’s all about the dancing.
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