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Old 01-29-2006, 11:45 AM   #41
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HEY I'm half white I just can't prove it!!!!!....I think they said I was part irish so thats where my drinking genes come from ayeeeeeeee HA
funny,you dont look white...can i touch your hair?
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Better set up the popcorn stand and a big ole pot of coffee. This thread just started on Saturday, just wait until everyone gets back to work on Monday and logs on!
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ive always wondered what the reaction would be if ndn people started dressing up as priests and doing confessions etc... i dont think our life expectancy would be too long lol
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Where da heck you guys been? Have you never been on the rez? There are Indians who are priests, ministers, nuns. I see them when I go to funerals of friends. Not everybody attends tradish ceremonies. You got the wrong idea that all Indian people who live on the rez are tradish. Not so. Make a trip sometime. You might learn something.

Ya'll make jokes of something you have never experienced.

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Where da heck you guys been? Have you never been on the rez? There are Indians who are priests, ministers, nuns. I see them when I go to funerals of friends. Not everybody attends tradish ceremonies. You got the wrong idea that all Indian people who live on the rez are tradish. Not so. Make a trip sometime. You might learn something.

Ya'll make jokes of something you have never experienced.

I'm not so fond of wannabes myself, but they're here, there, everywhere. I keep my distance and they better keep theirs.
um the priest thing was a JOKE and ive been to the res many mnay times
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Yes, I know it was a joke. That's the problem.
Anyone who reads this would think that there's no such thing as Indian priests who do confessions for sinners such as myself. Aye.
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Yes, I know it was a joke. That's the problem.
Anyone who reads this would think that there's no such thing as Indian priests who do confessions for sinners such as myself. Aye.
lol my original point was(in keeping with this thread) that non ndn's copy us and pose as our Holy People...so i wondered what they would think if we did that back...and to make a blanket statement such as "You got the wrong idea that all Indian people who live on the rez are tradish. Not so. Make a trip sometime. You might learn something.

Ya'll make jokes of something you have never experienced"
that was very funny....and id bet that the number of wannabees posing as medicine people is far far greater that the number of ndn priests or nuns
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Nuff a dat.

I smell a tulip. Gotta go.
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So far this thread is very interesting. I feel some accept while others feel people are stealing something. What is it they are stealing. Is it really ours. Like the Christain religion, they feel they need to bring others to their side. What is it the Great Spirit wants of us. I don't think it is to preach and try to convert. But if others, be they mixed blood like myself, wannabe's, or whatever, wish to try to walk the path. Let's welcome them and accept. There's a movie I love to watch called Dreamkeeper. The grandson of the Elder Story Teller bad mouths a wannabe. The Elder Story Teller says he's a wannabe, wannabe connected. If we accept, live together, and teach each other stories won't get lost. Mother Earth will be protected. The Four Leggeds and Winged brothers and sisters won't be wasted, etc. By accepting and not ignoring and hating we can try to assure our ways won't get twisted and abused. By accepting and sharing, those who don't live on the rez will learn more about themselves and their culture. My next statement about rez's will get some heated statements I'm sure. I read a National Geographic last year while in Iraq that did a story on Native Americans and rez's. According to their story and cenus, like 70% of those who live within the total bounderies of most rez's are white people. If they are correct, go figure. Love to all.
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So far this thread is very interesting. I feel some accept while others feel people are stealing something. What is it they are stealing. Is it really ours. Like the Christain religion, they feel they need to bring others to their side. What is it the Great Spirit wants of us. I don't think it is to preach and try to convert. But if others, be they mixed blood like myself, wannabe's, or whatever, wish to try to walk the path. Let's welcome them and accept. There's a movie I love to watch called Dreamkeeper. The grandson of the Elder Story Teller bad mouths a wannabe. The Elder Story Teller says he's a wannabe, wannabe connected. If we accept, live together, and teach each other stories won't get lost. Mother Earth will be protected. The Four Leggeds and Winged brothers and sisters won't be wasted, etc. By accepting and not ignoring and hating we can try to assure our ways won't get twisted and abused. By accepting and sharing, those who don't live on the rez will learn more about themselves and their culture. My next statement about rez's will get some heated statements I'm sure. I read a National Geographic last year while in Iraq that did a story on Native Americans and rez's. According to their story and cenus, like 70% of those who live within the total bounderies of most rez's are white people. If they are correct, go figure. Love to all.
Hmmmm. Then we'll have to start a thread...

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Hmmmm. Then we'll have to start a thread...

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will there be popcorn there too?
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well my opinion I really don't think this post was suppose to be about religion but it always comes down to that....anyways I know for a fact that this thread goes something thing like this....first off this is how we cater to these non ndns and wannabe's. We are forced to see 3 older museums being closed Anadarko (Kiowa), Browning( Sioux, and a montana museum, these are federal funded museums The money that will be taken from these museums is presently being ear marked for law enforcment. To fight indian arts and crafts conterfeiting....DO TO ALL FRAUDS AND FAKES now we as native people wanting to see and know that our grandparents and elders legency live on. we have to suffer. It is being taken away from us because people can't be proud of their own heritage..Its not all about religion but like I said it aways ends up there.. I feel we have others things to deal with besides just religion.
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So far this thread is very interesting. I feel some accept while others feel people are stealing something. What is it they are stealing. Is it really ours. Like the Christain religion, they feel they need to bring others to their side. What is it the Great Spirit wants of us. I don't think it is to preach and try to convert. But if others, be they mixed blood like myself, wannabe's, or whatever, wish to try to walk the path. Let's welcome them and accept. There's a movie I love to watch called Dreamkeeper. The grandson of the Elder Story Teller bad mouths a wannabe. The Elder Story Teller says he's a wannabe, wannabe connected. If we accept, live together, and teach each other stories won't get lost. Mother Earth will be protected. The Four Leggeds and Winged brothers and sisters won't be wasted, etc. By accepting and not ignoring and hating we can try to assure our ways won't get twisted and abused. By accepting and sharing, those who don't live on the rez will learn more about themselves and their culture. My next statement about rez's will get some heated statements I'm sure. I read a National Geographic last year while in Iraq that did a story on Native Americans and rez's. According to their story and cenus, like 70% of those who live within the total bounderies of most rez's are white people. If they are correct, go figure. Love to all.
Speaking only from what I've seen, lived with, and a few stories passed down. A Priest or minister must go to college to become one. In the early 1900's America suffered many minister frauds, fraud tent revivals were a boom for the con artists and if were going to quote Hollywood, Paper Moon's bible salesman is a good example. Today, in the predominant white city's we suffer this same con artists only their called Native Spiritual Leaders. Now from my understanding , while there are no Universityís for it, to become a Tribal Spiritual Leader, one must go thru extensive training as hard or harder than any University could dish out. The problem is the Spiritual Leaders in my city have gone thru no such training, they've learned their trade by watching movies, reading books , and researching on the net from sites like Manataka. Over history many non natives have been invited into many different tribal inner circles (Iím not claiming to be one of em either lol), this happens when a tribe see's the person is true and not there to write the next best seller or other money making schemes. Who can become a priest? The ones who graduate from the Seminaryís, wouldn't the same theory be extended to Native Spiritual Leaders? I donít see the sin in a non native wanting to follow the "Native ways" though the generic quality of that statement bothers me since tribal identity is in jeopardy as it is. But the optimum word there is Follow, not lead, and certainly not to go to a non native area and set yourself up as a leader in the faith. I want to say this whole spiritual talk is really outta my expertise by far and is only a small part of the fraud being portrayed out there, native artifacts, native crafts, and native artwork is being sold everyday with false claims of being made by Natives. As it's been said, the wannabe's are here to stay, but I guess the question that comes to my mind now is where does one draw the line, between acceptance and outrage?
p.s.- maybe a thought for another thread, have u ever thought of all the artifacts being sold out of our country while other country's have laws to keep their artifacts in their own country?
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I am 1/512 Dutch. I know in my heart that this is so. When I see windmills, my heart soars. I purchased a pair of wooden shoes at a yard sale. I had to have them. When I put them on visions of tulips surround me. The story of the child who plugged a hole in the dyke turned me to tears.

I tell people of my lost heritage but they take one look at me and say, "No way man! You're Anishinaabe all the way!" What can I do?



I first submitted a post similar to this a few years ago and my situation has not changed. I tried to join a Dutch-Canadian club with no success. My skin color has been a detriment to my being accepted. My Ojibwe accent is unmistakeable and is hard to disguise.

Would a trip to the homeland help me out? I don't know if I should chance it as ( I heard) there are drug cafes and the sex trade is blatantly displayed in windows. Is that bad? I want so much to learn and partake of my Dutch heritage in every aspect.
Ki I'm gonna make you a windmill for your home. Don't ever let your Dutch side die.

Why don't they make CDWB (Certified Degree of White Blood) cards? B/C we'd all be in line to get one.





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I think everyone who finds out something from their ancestry gets very interested in it. Most then let it go.

When I found out my grandmother's great-grandmother was 1/4 Irish, I thought, "How interesting!" , and figured I had the right to get drunk on St. Patty's day.

I think that makes me 1/128th Irish. That means only 1 out of my 128 great-great-great-great-great grandparents was Irish. Shall I claim Irish and dishonor my other 127 great*5-grandparents?

When I hear about people claiming 1/16th native I have to think: What were your other 15 great-great grandparents???
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When I found out my grandmother's great-grandmother was 1/4 Irish, I thought, "How interesting!" , and figured I had the right to get drunk on St. Patty's day.
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