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Old 06-17-2013, 04:58 PM   #21
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I don't have any problems that need to solved in a film.

If you're keeping the same storyline, and you're on the UCLA campus, point your nose to the Northeast. You can find your answers a little over 1300 miles away.
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I don't have any problems that need to solved in a film.

If you're keeping the same storyline, and you're on the UCLA campus, point your nose to the Northeast. You can find your answers a little over 1300 miles away.
Read my last posts. Does it look like I'm keeping the same story?
I don't care about your personal problems, that's all you. I do care about injustice and history.
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I don't care about your personal problems, that's all you. I do care about injustice and history.
The problems in the modern native community are probably the same types found in every other minority community- Education, racism, family, identity within the various communities of where we live, treatment of women, and the list keeps on going. You can probably read up on various 'problems' that have been touched on in several native newspapers.

On a personal note: You say that you want "our voices to be heard". Well, I can tell you that my voice needs to be heard probably just as equally as yours does, and I'm pretty sure that you don't need some stranger speaking for you. As a fellow University student, I'm fairly sure that my problems and the problems of most in our age group are pretty similar to yours. Putting ourselves through school, balancing work and social activities, trying to make a name for ourselves in our career of choice, typical family lifestyle, finally starting to comprehend all those lessons that our parents tried to teach us when we were little and refused to listen. And as a young native woman, most problems that I DO have currently have been caused either by my own big mouth, long windedness, or just outright laziness.

Might I suggest that you stop and reflect for a second. Instead of trying to help get the voices of individuals from 500+ Nations heard from a historical aspect, try to think of it from a more current view. Think about what we may have in common as peers first and then possibly look at how our cultures and values may tie into that. Maybe focus on urban minorities and how traditional values play into daily interactions? For example, how have your life experiences and travels influenced how you look at the world.

What about getting some members of the community involved on your filming project?. Get in contact with the communities in your area and just see how they live and interact, without focusing just on any problems they may have. Maybe look at some of the values and stories they may have in their communities, make friends, and show the daily lives of people in the communities.

If you HAVE to be our voice, show the world that we are no different from any other ethnic group out there. Show the world that we're not some historical culture to be ooh'd and ahh'd at. Show them that we're doctors, teachers, students, politicians, nurses, librarians, neighbors, and cousins. It may sound more boring than a fanciful story of murder and evil white people, but it'd probably do more good.
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The problems in the modern native community are probably the same types found in every other minority community- Education, racism, family, identity within the various communities of where we live, treatment of women, and the list keeps on going. You can probably read up on various 'problems' that have been touched on in several native newspapers.

On a personal note: You say that you want "our voices to be heard". Well, I can tell you that my voice needs to be heard probably just as equally as yours does, and I'm pretty sure that you don't need some stranger speaking for you. As a fellow University student, I'm fairly sure that my problems and the problems of most in our age group are pretty similar to yours. Putting ourselves through school, balancing work and social activities, trying to make a name for ourselves in our career of choice, typical family lifestyle, finally starting to comprehend all those lessons that our parents tried to teach us when we were little and refused to listen. And as a young native woman, most problems that I DO have currently have been caused either by my own big mouth, long windedness, or just outright laziness.

Might I suggest that you stop and reflect for a second. Instead of trying to help get the voices of individuals from 500+ Nations heard from a historical aspect, try to think of it from a more current view. Think about what we may have in common as peers first and then possibly look at how our cultures and values may tie into that. Maybe focus on urban minorities and how traditional values play into daily interactions? For example, how have your life experiences and travels influenced how you look at the world.

What about getting some members of the community involved on your filming project?. Get in contact with the communities in your area and just see how they live and interact, without focusing just on any problems they may have. Maybe look at some of the values and stories they may have in their communities, make friends, and show the daily lives of people in the communities.

If you HAVE to be our voice, show the world that we are no different from any other ethnic group out there. Show the world that we're not some historical culture to be ooh'd and ahh'd at. Show them that we're doctors, teachers, students, politicians, nurses, librarians, neighbors, and cousins. It may sound more boring than a fanciful story of murder and evil white people, but it'd probably do more good.
Thank you. I'll definitely start looking at it that way.
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As a side note...

What about a concept sort of similar to how they did in the film Dreamkeeper, but making it more relevant to your geographic area? What I mean is, speak with some of the elders in your area and learn about the cultures. If possible, listen to some of the traditional stories or myths, and then using their concepts or "teachings" to build a more contemporary story around. Like how those old tales may still be relevant in our relationships, families, and modern interactions.

But of course, that would be stealing someone else's idea. However, it's a good example of showing how traditional and historical stories (which seem to interest you) can still influence and have meaning in the younger generations.
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As a side note...

What about a concept sort of similar to how they did in the film Dreamkeeper, but making it more relevant to your geographic area? What I mean is, speak with some of the elders in your area and learn about the cultures. If possible, listen to some of the traditional stories or myths, and then using their concepts or "teachings" to build a more contemporary story around. Like how those old tales may still be relevant in our relationships, families, and modern interactions.

But of course, that would be stealing someone else's idea. However, it's a good example of showing how traditional and historical stories (which seem to interest you) can still influence and have meaning in the younger generations.

It's really funny that you're saying this. I just spoke to a friend I have that's native and he said the same thing about talking to elders. That's my next step! I'll be looking for Chumash elders to begin with.
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lotta contemporary issues to tackle.........alcoholism, poverty, land disputes, treaties not being followed......and here is a big one that many tribes face......WATER RIGHTS

and if you dont think an interesting story can happen over water rights.....i suggest you read/watch the milagro beanfield war
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lotta contemporary issues to tackle.........alcoholism, poverty, land disputes, treaties not being followed......and here is a big one that many tribes face......WATER RIGHTS

and if you dont think an interesting story can happen over water rights.....i suggest you read/watch the milagro beanfield war
I think that's a great idea for a documentary and a feature!
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I LUV The Milagro Beanfield War...which bring to mind something I've noticed - "successful" films about natives or other people of color have to have a white guy to give the majority of the audience someone to relate to.

Such as the big one - Dances with Wolves, others - Last of the Mohicans, Soldier Blue, Man Called Horse, Code Talkers, Geronimo, Last of the Dogmen....

Other suggested films for comtemporary issues: Black Cloud, Grand Avenue, Once Were Warriors, ...

I think a film about the plight of the South American tribes could be powerful stuff. Isn't there an indigenous tribe occupying a govt building in Brazil RIGHT NOW???

Or maybe the natives in Canada living in horrible conditions?

If you're gonna set it in contemporary California...I suggest befriending a CA Native (might I suggest Joe's Dad) and find out about his life, struggles, ambitions, etc...

I myself would like to see a film featuring bird singing/dancing (which was new to me just a few short years ago), dis-enrollment, language/culture on the brink of extinction, casino vs. non-casino tribes, dealing with mega per caps ()
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I LUV The Milagro Beanfield War...which bring to mind something I've noticed - "successful" films about natives or other people of color have to have a white guy to give the majority of the audience someone to relate to.

Such as the big one - Dances with Wolves, others - Last of the Mohicans, Soldier Blue, Man Called Horse, Code Talkers, Geronimo, Last of the Dogmen....

Other suggested films for comtemporary issues: Black Cloud, Grand Avenue, Once Were Warriors, ...

I think a film about the plight of the South American tribes could be powerful stuff. Isn't there an indigenous tribe occupying a govt building in Brazil RIGHT NOW???

Or maybe the natives in Canada living in horrible conditions?

If you're gonna set it in contemporary California...I suggest befriending a CA Native (might I suggest Joe's Dad) and find out about his life, struggles, ambitions, etc...

I myself would like to see a film featuring bird singing/dancing (which was new to me just a few short years ago), dis-enrollment, language/culture on the brink of extinction, casino vs. non-casino tribes, dealing with mega per caps ()
not just in film but books too......my favorite underlying theme is the romance that always pops up between the white hero that the indians always depend on to save them and the chiefs daughter........you wanna make you film interesting? make sure the hero scores with the chiefs daughter

ooooh and also all the bad books about halfbreeds.....like one i saw in the goodwill a few days ago called COMANCHE, where the halfwhite saves the tribe after years away being civilized is the grandson of the chief......nice to start off the book where the chief's daughter already been scored before you ever even opened a page..............

but let me get back on topic....YES milagro beanfield was a great book and ok movie....i liked the landscape and customs that were familiar to me....but made me realize that if you were gonna make a novel about something as boring as a water dispute you better have some good characters......very few can pull it off
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My thought about the water problem too milehighsalute and I understand the clichés out there. Just saw another UCLA movie about natives, and yes it included all what you mentioned.

The issue of that the language and culture that's disappearing would work perfectly in a short film, maybe set in a non-casino tribe? It's a great idea. I know how it is in my culture. My mom's values are totally different than mine because she grew up in a different way. Is the same thing happening to the native families?

You're giving me something to work on and ideas! Thank you
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If you want a story about the Lakota, do one about how they are refusing money from the government for the Black Hills. Here's a starter link for you Black Hills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the genocide-they didn't march thousands of the locals into cattle cars, then haul them off to be gassed, so most people don't think of it as genocide. They picked us off a little at a time. The Trail of Tears, the Sand Creek Massacre and Wounded Knee are just a few of the more infamous incidents. Then, they started removing Native children from their families and culture and tried to "educate the Native" out of them by sending them to boarding schools. Google the Carlisle Indian School.
They made it so difficult for Natives to live in the white world, that some turned their backs on their heritage in order to survive. My dad and his siblings are a prime example of that. Growing up in the Depression, being anything other than white, made life a lot tougher than it already was.
I feel that if you don't make this a fairly modern day story, all you will end up with is Dances with Wolves Redux.
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I myself would like to see a film featuring bird singing/dancing (which was new to me just a few short years ago), dis-enrollment, language/culture on the brink of extinction, casino vs. non-casino tribes, dealing with mega per caps ()
How kids where forced into boarding schools to get brainwashed is a very strong topic for a short.
You could follow a native boy being transformed and brainwashed away from his language and culture into Christianity. And maybe in the end he either gives in and becomes Christian he could even meet his family again in the end and they see what different kind of person he's become.

For this to work there needs to be an introduction of what culture he's from (which tribe and beliefs). Maybe he lost his parents and the whites took an advantage of this and sent him to boarding school? I think this is something that definitely could translate extremely well in a short film and I think it can have some good impact on the subject.

What do you guys think?

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RozZy,

You are at UCLA, do you know other parts of the USA?

Since you are in California, maybe a story about the indigenous peoples of this area?

The Chumash have a great little museum, with staff to inform you.

The natives here were colonized by Spain, and the Missions took away their cultural identity.

The Gold Rush was brutal with greedy outsiders committing massacres of whole native villages.

Then, the government of California paid a bounty of $25 for Indian scalps, or other body parts proving the death.

American Experience | The Gold Rush | Special Features | Native Stories | PBS
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RozZy,

You are at UCLA, do you know other parts of the USA?

Since you are in California, maybe a story about the indigenous peoples of this area?

The Chumash have a great little museum, with staff you inform you.

The natives here were colonized by Spain, and the Missions took away their cultural identity.

The Gold Rush was brutal with greedy outsiders committing massacres of whole native villages.

Then, the government of California paid a bounty of $25 for Indian scalps, or other body parts proving the death.

American Experience | The Gold Rush | Special Features | Native Stories | PBS

Very interesting! Thanks for the link. I'm going with Chumash (tried to change the topics name but didn't work)
It's easier to do research about something that's close by and I need to find someone from Chumash that would like to be a creative assistant, to keep an eye on so everything becomes culturally/historically correct.

The gold rush is a good idea. Maybe the boys parents got massacred and he got sent to one of the missions. I have to do research on Chumash.
I can't believe how the hell this just happened 120 years ago. And nobody knows about it!

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Get on FB and look at California Native Entities...they would make great ghost story movies!! And give some insight into Native Californian culture.

Or Native Ghost Stories...some are going into a book already, and most would make cool short features...compiled...like the Twilight movie.
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I'd love to be a writer, or a screen writer...but am lacking talent and/or ambition. HOWEVER, everything I have EVER heard from those that are talented and successful...WRITE WHAT YOU KNOW!!
How dare you?! I'm a writer (a published journalist even) and I don't know Jack!
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