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Old 06-05-2012, 03:41 PM   #41
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Yes. He's a Democrat. Some people can't see the forest for the trees. Even if Obama was as arse kicking as Harrison Ford in Air Force One, people would still find something to attack. "Why'd he have to get all violent of the highjackers? He's too violent"

:P yeah, saw Air Force One a couple of weeks ago. Hadn't watched it in awhile. "If you give a mouse a cookie"
If he at least had the character of Andrew Shepherd in The American President, or David Palmer, in 24 - both Democrats, I'd probably vote for him.
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This thread sure was funnier when we was doing this.
Here ya go @Toolbox, a little levity in the matter

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LOL @ The Soda Ban... it doesn't ban people from refills or buying additional soft drinks.

I think there is merit in the ban though as it does make people think about the fact they are drinking large sums of sugary soda. Our bodies will recognize the sugar but our brain's system for recognizing hunger is not satisfied with liquid calories. People then tend to drink a lot of soda without realizing that they are consuming anywhere between 30 and 100 grams of sugar. We then wonder why there are so many obese, overweight, and diabetic people in this country, granted some are just genetically programmed that way or have glandular problems.
One word: Cigarettes
There are myriad anti/quit smoking campaigns in the country right now coupled with comically high taxes, and the fact that every pack comes with a warning label that basically reads "These things will effing kill you!" By that logic, by now there should be no more smokers. But people ignore the health risks, pay the ridiculous price and continue to kill themselves. I should know, I smoke a pack a day.

You cannot legislate someone's habits. It is not feasible. Even if it were, it would not be ethical.It's not about what is or isn't healthy. It's about the government prying into the private lives of its citizens.

I Think C.S. Lewis put it best:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
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History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this.
It's easy to check out, if you don't believe it. Be sure and show it to your family
and friends. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter
whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.

Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and
card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the
United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the
message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.


Our Social Security
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary


2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65%
on the first $90,000



3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible


4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the
general operating fund, and therefore, would
only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and,

Under Johnson the money was moved to
The General Fund and Spent


5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed
as income.

Under Clinton & Gore
Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
now receiving a Social Security check every month --
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put
away' -- you may be interested in the following:

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.


------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!

------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want
to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
awareness will be planted and maybe changes will
evolve.
But it's worth a try.
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I find you an enigma, Zeke. You so often are encouraging people to get responsible, don't look for handouts, be the master of your own density - yet you side with the party of bailouts and handouts.
Incorrect, as I am NOT siding with Republicans who are the unmitigated MASTERS of the Golden Parachute and corporate bailout: if you are of the correct social standing.

You want equitable responsibility? Then a level playing field is necessary.

That starts with accountability at the top, not the bottom.

I've never once said that people shouldn't be helped, I've said they need to be accountable and take the first step. The issue with many brainwashed Natives is that they believe such an advance is inherently anti-traditional.

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History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this.
It's easy to check out, if you don't believe it. Be sure and show it to your family
and friends. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter
whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.

Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and
card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the
United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the
message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.


Our Social Security
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary


2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65%
on the first $90,000



3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible


4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the
general operating fund, and therefore, would
only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and,

Under Johnson the money was moved to
The General Fund and Spent


5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed
as income.

Under Clinton & Gore
Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
now receiving a Social Security check every month --
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put
away' -- you may be interested in the following:

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.


------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!

------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want
to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
awareness will be planted and maybe changes will
evolve.
But it's worth a try.

ahem, is there really anymore to say after this?
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ahem, is there really anymore to say after this?
"Yes."

Some of that is not precisely accurate and more than a bit is sensationalized. (Does the original author feel the same way about the Selective Service System?)

But here's the big question: Are you prepared to renounce your Social Security benefit in exchange for not paying for it in taxation?

If the answer is "no," there's little point in whining.
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"Yes."

Some of that is not precisely accurate and more than a bit is sensationalized. (Does the original author feel the same way about the Selective Service System?)

But here's the big question: Are you prepared to renounce your Social Security benefit in exchange for not paying for it in taxation?

If the answer is "no," there's little point in whining.


You never disappoint Zeke. Like I knew the first person to comment would be you. lol The wrangler to the end. lol

To answer your question, you and I both know that it's not even possible. For two reasons
1. It comes from your paycheck in taxes, therefore, the US Government makes sure you put in for it.
2. It's 85% taxable, therefore the US Government will make sure you take it, so they can tax it.

No more paper checks means they set up a bank account for you if you don't have one. If you refuse to touch it, you are still taxed on it. If you accrue too much of it, then they fine you, and get their fair share, and then some, and on and on.

As the saying goes, there are only two things in life that are guaranteed, death and taxes.
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Incorrect, as I am NOT siding with Republicans who are the unmitigated MASTERS of the Golden Parachute and corporate bailout: if you are of the correct social standing.

You want equitable responsibility? Then a level playing field is necessary.

That starts with accountability at the top, not the bottom.

I've never once said that people shouldn't be helped, I've said they need to be accountable and take the first step. The issue with many brainwashed Natives is that they believe such an advance is inherently anti-traditional.
Am I supposed to believe that the Democratic leadership is made up of poor folks and washes its hands of any monetary contributions from "big oil", "Wall Street," "banskters," etc.?

Prove it.

As long as both parties are motivated by $$$ and elections depend on who can raise the most $$$ - the field will NEVER be level.
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ahem, is there really anymore to say after this?
There shouldn't be.

I find it funny that people think that the Democrats are so pious, so motivated by working for the common good, not motivated by desire for money and power - that they are so good and the Republicans so evil.

I can't believe people are so naive.
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"Yes."

Some of that is not precisely accurate and more than a bit is sensationalized. (Does the original author feel the same way about the Selective Service System?)
Which part , specifically , is not accurate ?

But here's the big question: Are you prepared to renounce your Social Security benefit in exchange for not paying for it in taxation?
The point of the post(and I was not the original author)was to point out the difference in the original intent of the Social Security and what it's become.

If the answer is "no," there's little point in whining.
As far as Selective Service , I was fortunate enough to not be indentured into mandatory service. The Vietnam era was not the best time to be my age and a lot of my friends died because of it. I don't necessarily agree with drafting 18 year olds , and I think they'd be better served with more mature soldiers. However I don't believe that's what our government wants. They want the young "easy to brainwash" youth to instill what they believe is right in they're eyes !
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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
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And by the way , Our Constitution says this is supposed to be a government"By the people , For the people" and that also is no longer true.
Of course it is! Didn't you hear? Corporations are people now.
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Before we continue with anymore political finger pointing, I'm gonna take a page from the Zeke personal responsibility playbook and remind us all, the mess we have with our current non-representative representatives, is because the American public got lazy and refused to hold their elected officials accountable. The phrase "Well, that's our Government for ya" too easily rolled off many of our tongues, instead of making examples of those not doing their jobs, we re-elected them back into do nothing. Republican, Democrat and Independent alike.

... now back to Democrat bashing... just playing.
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http://standwitharizona.com/blog/201...before-speech/

Never heard of this being done before...
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In case y'all haven't been watching the news but today they Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act, including the individual mandate to purchase insurance. The only thing in the act that was struck down so far was the removal of the clause saying that states can loose their medicaid funding if they refuse to comply with the new rules - they will however be refused the additional new medicaid funding provided by the law.

Interestingly enough, and related to this site, if one is an enrolled member of a federally recognized tribe then that person is exempt from the penalties for not having health insurance as provided by the law... Most likely because the IHS exists.

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In case y'all haven't been watching the news but today they Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act, including the individual mandate to purchase insurance. The only thing in the act that was struck down so far was the removal of the clause saying that states can loose their medicaid funding if they refuse to comply with the new rules - they will however be refused the additional new medicaid funding provided by the law.

Interestingly enough, and related to this site, if one is an enrolled member of a federally recognized tribe then that person is exempt from the penalties for not having health insurance as provided by the law... Most likely because the IHS exists.

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all in due time. eventually we're gonna lose IHS funding.
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I'm not sure but shouldn't the ACA bill increase IHS funding?
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