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Old 03-25-2013, 03:37 PM   #1
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Is Redskins a derogatory term?

Is the term Redskin derogatory to you?

I have read two polls. One said only 10% of Natives think it is derogatory. Another poll says a majority of Natives think it is derogatory.

It is now being dissected in the courts, the media and around the cooler.

What is your take? Is it or isn't it a derogatory and demeaning term?
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Is the term Redskin derogatory to you?

I have read two polls. One said only 10% of Natives think it is derogatory. Another poll says a majority of Natives think it is derogatory.

It is now being dissected in the courts, the media and around the cooler.

What is your take? Is it or isn't it a derogatory and demeaning term?
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Is the term Redskin derogatory to you?
Is the term "hillbilly" derogatory to West Virginians?

Personally, I believe context is everything. For example, I can easily write or speak a sentence where Redskin is used endearingly and Native American is a racial epithet.

In general, I've found that Indians who worry so much about names are the ones who only have the name left: if they had anything else, they wouldn't be worried about it.

Yes, definitions matter but I'm not defined by what somebody else calls me so I don't really care.

We've got bigger fish to fry.
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Is the term Redskin derogatory to you?

I have read two polls. One said only 10% of Natives think it is derogatory. Another poll says a majority of Natives think it is derogatory.

It is now being dissected in the courts, the media and around the cooler.

What is your take? Is it or isn't it a derogatory and demeaning term?
It's not that important to me, so no it doesnt offend me. Only how sports fans portray what they think as native truly bothers me imo
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yes. historically it is a racial epithet.
It's use as a mascot is derogatory because using an entire race of people as a team mascot is derogatory.
When you see sports fans dress up and play "Indian" you see the racism embedded in the culture.
Maybe they don't think they are being racist.... they just rely on ridiculous stereotypes and Hollywood generalizations instead of actual facts.
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Right off the cuff, I say YES. And I am one who is not in favor of removing native names from sports teams...except the derogatory ones, ie. Savages, etc...
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Yeah, it's racist I think. I think teams can do than that. People would be upset if a team was named the Blackskins or Yellowskins and rightfully so. Just because it is so entrenched and people may just not care to be uptight about it or or care about it at all or have bigger fish to fry doesn't make it right. I think it probably affects younger children the most, who see it and then get to learn about the derogatory term.

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The problem is "Political Correctness" where do you stop?


I work in Aviation and for the last 30 years in the private sector, "Gender Specific" terms have been stricken from Manuals that are used to maintain aircraft.
Such as: "Manhours" or "2 man Lift" ect ect ect

However this has not carried over to the Military Manuals
GASP!!!
Its a question of Money some of these manuals were written in the 1950's when these terms were used without a second thought,
And the DOD does not have the money nor the Legal prodding to go back and change them!
So where do you draw the line??

I am sure that someone found these terms offensive and court cases were fought and now millions are spent on changing these terms to fit a "Gender Neutral Society" Buh!

While I do agree that some of these sports teams and the tomahawk chop should go
Where do you Draw the Line??
The College I went to were called the Redmen and changed their name to the Riverhawks
Just not the same

I say enough! we have farrrr bigger fish to fry that is for sure
In this I agree with Zeke!
So Hail to the Redskins LoL


As far as names go at one time one sports team was called Bean Eaters...
Thank god somebody changed the name from the Bean Eaters though
I mean really Bean Eaters! Can you imagine farting all over the place
Must have been a Rez team at one time called that
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Thats insane, Josiah. That reminds me - I think it was California that a number of years ago got rid of the terms "Master" and "Slave" when referencing computer or other hardware. That and Diane Feinstein are amongst the reasons why I have decided that I would never live there.

As far as the term Red Skins is concerned I take the "Zeke" answer here and say that there are far bigger issues to settle first. It's too much money and energy wasted fighting over some words when there are issues like alcoholism, drugs, crime, and poverty to be squashed first.
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Thats insane, Josiah. That reminds me - I think it was California that a number of years ago got rid of the terms "Master" and "Slave" when referencing computer or other hardware. That and Diane Feinstein are amongst the reasons why I have decided that I would never live there.

As far as the term Red Skins is concerned I take the "Zeke" answer here and say that there are far bigger issues to settle first. It's too much money and energy wasted fighting over some words when there are issues like alcoholism, drugs, crime, and poverty to be squashed first.
Yeah, but the os is called UNIX, like isn't that bad too? UNIX isn't UNIX without masters, slaves, zombies, and my favorite if pasttime of killing orphans and runaways. That is going way way way too far and makes me ashamed to be a woman, if women caused this.

If someone is negatively affected by computer terms, they have much much larger issues...

Look at the games kids end up playing when they get home from school, like gta and other adult stuff. Yeah, terms we use in the computer room are really a problem.
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I don't see a problem with it. It's just a word that does not define me. Beside, my ole man, he always talks about the beauty of his redskin...lol He doesn't get black like me in the sun, he gets red, hence, his redskin...lol
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Agreed we have bigger fish to fry.

However, the more the American public sees Indians as mascot characatures, the harder it is to take Indians as a whole, seriously.

I guess seeing my daughters bullied and called dirty redskins on their school bus in the Washington DC area has made this personal.
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Agreed we have bigger fish to fry.

However, the more the American public sees Indians as mascot characatures, the harder it is to take Indians as a whole, seriously.

I guess seeing my daughters bullied and called dirty redskins on their school bus in the Washington DC area has made this personal.
As a guess, that's a DC issue and not a mascot issue?

If I lived in Watts or Harlem (which has cleaned up nicely, by the way), I'd attribute any guff received there to prevailing local coarseness and not monikers of nearby sports teams.

It's not as if I don't live in Chief-land and this sort of thing just doesn't happen here, at least to me?

But I'm not all Malcom X about it which is one of the things that annoyed some wannabe militant types when I ran a Native-based not-for-profit, here.
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Me pesonally I think there is bigger concerns than this too..but I always think about derogatory names agianst other races....what if they was called the washington n word or washington beaners...would those sets of people put up with it or do somthing about it? Cause I think there's african americans who wouldn't care if they was called that and I'm positive there's mexicans that wouldn't care if they used names like wetbacks! But there is enough of them that mainstream america wouldn't dare call teams these kind of names. The only thing wrong with this is mainstream america thinks that all indians are gone or to politcally weak to not care
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This is just my opinion, but....

To those of you saying there are more important things with which to concern ourselves, I have to ask: Are we really limited to only addressing one specific issue at a time?

I'm sorry, but to me that seems like not only a massive cop out, but one with endless potential.

"Why worry about mascots when we have more important things to worry about, like poverty? - Why worry about poverty when we have more important things to worry about, like alcohol and drug abuse? - ETC"

By the end of the day you're likely to throw your hands in the air and give up.



Someone has already put it perfectly in this thread. The more we allow ourselves to be characterized and ignored the harder it's going to be for anyone (including many Indians) to take the issues facing American Indians seriously.

The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference, and having a NFL team called "Redskins" a known racial slur for American Indians is just ONE example of the indifference the rest of the nation feels about us. To accept, tolerate, or otherwise permit such indifference is in my mind no different than consenting to crawl back into our holes, and die quietly.

Are you so easily dissuaded? Are you so easily conquered? Have you forgotten that a journey of a thousand miles must begin as a single step?
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I think it just sets a bad example to have a team called the "redskins" because it focuses on skin color. I would have the same problem with whiteskins, yellowskins or blackskins. I think the team can change names without it being a big problem, except to people resistant to change, and that is their problem. Just because you are comfortable with something doesn't mean its right. There's lots of lousy sports team names, people get used to them and suddenly, they aren't lousy anymore.

In ancient Egypt, the "red Egyptian" wasn't called that due to red skin, but due to his nation affiliation and its colors, which were red.

We call white hillbillies rednecks and they call ndns redskins. Cracker comes from "dirt floor cracker" from back when they had cracker barrels in stores, which had dirt or dirty floors. A cracker would be dropped or fall on the dirty floor. It was a way to refer to dirty faced white people, like saying white trash, they weren't nothin' but dirt floor crackers...
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Agreed we have bigger fish to fry.

However, the more the American public sees Indians as mascot characatures, the harder it is to take Indians as a whole, seriously.

I guess seeing my daughters bullied and called dirty redskins on their school bus in the Washington DC area has made this personal.
You would think as diverse as the ethnicity is in the DC area, there would be more tolerance. Sounds like some petty jealousy as usual with mean girls. What's worse is that even the boys are starting to act like females now with them even talking about girls as well. It's disgusting. Esp when you see parents get in on it too, then you wonder how the kids turned out so bad. Tell your girls to keep their heads up and school is soooo not how life is going to actually be. Hope things get better!
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@Zeke ..just asking guy how is that a dc issue? If it was your kids getting treated like that would it be a kansas city issue?..I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that some of these kids folks are die hard washington fans..and when they here there folks talking about oh those indians are taking the team to court then I imagine nothing good comes outa there mouths about indians...so how is that a dc problem? Is dc suppossed to censor everybody from calling fellow classmates dirty redskins...or other derogatory names of other races of people
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It is worse in some areas of the country. In Ohio, I didn't really hear much other than just the usual really poor way of talking about, teaching, and everything else regarding ndns, the ignorant or romanticized stuff. Oh, except later in life, the "squaw" thing from non-ndn men, I guess that is pretty widespread, as is most anti-women stuff.

Down south now I was surprised I didn't hear much, they were too busy hating African Americans and yankees. In the 60s when I was down here it was bad, people weren't talking they were burning crosses.

Then I went out west as a teenager...OMG, I heard names and things I never knew about it was bad. And it wasn't ethnic jokes, it was pure deep hatred and white people wanting to kill indians just like they were wolves eating their chickens, just horrible stuff. I really started hating alot of white people when I went out there. And it seemed totally unprovoked, just the way these people wanted to be.

If my kids were being talked that way at school, I'd be dealing with that. I think that kind of thing comes right from the parents, not the kids themselves. If its not that people use to make racist remarks than they will invent something. The problem isn't really the particular words so much or society's total screw up in dealing with minorities, its the hatred, sickness, and meanness underneath it. Lots of people are that way, it just comes out in different ways, some as racism.
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