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Josiah 01-07-2012 07:53 AM

So what would you do??
 
Here in Oklahoma we have a law that if an intruder comes into your house your allowed to Shoot them!
What would you do?

Is there a law similiar to this in your state?


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2lineCarrandMorgan 01-07-2012 08:43 AM

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Code Section Penal §§46.05, et seq.
Illegal Arms Machine gun; short-barreled firearm; silencer; armor-piercing ammunition; zip gun; explosive weapon
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Who May Not Own 1. Convicted felon within 5 yrs. of release or parole; 2. Sale, rental, lease, or gift to minor under 18 without parental consent; 3. Confined in penal institution.
Law Prohibiting Firearms On or Near School Grounds Felony. Penal 46.03, 46.11
its not a threat of death its just a fact that a death will happen
we have several weapons.. i don't want ever to have to use any of them and i don't think i ever will have too, living safe and being on guard helps ...right now in Austin there is a killer of women around the collage campus http://www.kvue.com/home/Two-murders...136581983.html
and some one tried to lure a three different children in to his truck ! what would you do to protect your family or ppl

trouble 01-07-2012 10:51 AM

This is an EXCELLENT site, in plain language for Georgians,

http://www.georgiapacking.org/law.php

And in regards to this topic:

Deadly Force
There are 3 code sections that govern when lethal or deadly force may lawfully be used.

Defense from a forcible felony; A person is justified in using threats or force to the degree they reasonably believe it is necessary to stop another person's imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using deadly force which may harm or kill only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony (unless it is regarding defense of habitation, which has it's own requirements below). You are not justified if you were the aggressor or you are/were/on-the-way-to committing a felony. (The state has pre-empted local cities and counties from further restricting this defense.)(16-3-21)

Defense of habitation; (here habitation means dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business) A person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:

A person is breaking\has broken into your home in a violent and tumultuous manner, and you think that the intruder is going to assault you or someone else living there.
A person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters the residence and you know it is an unlawful entry.
The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony.
(16-3-23)

Defense of property other than habitation; Lethal force cannot be used to protect real property unless the person using such force reasonably believes that it is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.(16-3-24)

(Stand Your Ground/Shoot First/License To Murder - went into effect July 1st, 2006) If you have determined you need to use lethal force (as stated in one of the underlined "Defense" sections immediately above) you do not have to try to retreat before using that force. If your defense is valid, you are immune from criminal prosecution (unless it is illegal to carry that weapon where you used it) and civil liability actions.(16-3-23.1, 16-3-24.2, 51-11-9)

Zeke 01-07-2012 11:46 AM

Standard Zeke response:

1. "I feared for my life."
2. BANG.
3. BANG.
4. BANG.
5. Phone attorney.
6. Call cops.

BladeofWolf 01-07-2012 12:10 PM

Would I?
 
:soapbox:
In the state of Georgia as I understand it we have the "Castle Doctrine", the legalese is mentioned above.
Would I, Yes...... have we, yes. Not lethally but my wife did have to shoot someone to protect herself and our young son. I was working overnights and the sheriff was no help.
Interestingly enough after I was fired because of the drama and I was home the police made 5 arrests in 2 days after 5 months of nothing.
A bit of a side note, before this incident we owned only one antique birding gun that was an inheritance gift. Never used, then I bought a 12 gauge pump shotgun. Honestly never thought I would buy,own or advocate the ownership of a gun.Amazing how your feelings change when you family is in danger.

Cheyenne Proverb: A nation is not beaten until the heart's of its women lie on the ground.
Dirkism: My wife is my hero.

Josiah 01-07-2012 12:13 PM

Very Clear in Oklahoma if you come into my House I have the Right to Shoot you Dead.

But in other States well

And in Canada...

Here is a good website for the whole issue

http://redensign.wordpress.com/2010/...your-ground-2/

AmigoKumeyaay 01-07-2012 12:16 PM

No matter what is written on the books for the jurisdiction where the crime occurs...

...it is always "the totality of the circumstances" in the perception of the person being assaulted, or reasonably fearing that they will be assaulted.

Means, Capability, & Intent of the presumed assailant are integral to the circumstances.

No matter what happens, the discharge of a firearm will be investigated, and forensic evidence better match up with the story of the survivor.

Don't be surprised even if a justified shooting, your homeowner insurance company will be sued civilly for "wrongful death" or "wrongful injury".

Also, any ricochets, or "stray rounds" from your gun can kill other people across the street, or cause property damage that you will be held accountable for.

The amount of adrenaline pumping into a person can drastically affect their ability to safely handle ANY firearm, and distort their judgement during a traumatic incident.

The other concern is having a firearm inside your home in the first place, safe & proper storage, and lessons on safe handling & use of the firearm are of vital importance. Sooooo many "accidents" happen, many fatal tragedies in homes where firearms are carelessly stored and misused.

All that being said, a 12 guage automatic shotgun is a great home defense tool when handled properly!

Just remember all the responsibility that comes with owning any weapon.

pigheaded 01-07-2012 12:21 PM

tricky law in the city, plus the law goes by county,so in Maricopa county Police (those on the phone) will tell you that you can not shoot unless you first have been shot) :thinking: ? HUH? Officers on patrol will tell you don't shoot unless they are actually in the house. But out in the sticks, of Pinal County all that is required is a sign posted anywhere on your property that warns, "No Trespassing, Violators will be shot." Simple as that.

Grits & Beans 01-07-2012 12:29 PM

a while ago some co-workers were discussing this in the breakroom and one who is friends with a cop who had told him, if the intruder is shot and happens to fall on the lawn or anywhere outside the house then just drag him into the house before the cops get there :lol:

yaahl 01-07-2012 12:36 PM

If you shoot someone in Canada in an event that can be termed self-defence, you'd better have a clear defence of necessity to avoid jail time.

Precedent is pretty clear on what defines necessity and if it fits, you're acquitted. It sucks being on trial for something you felt was a self defence act but for every case that is a clear defence of necessity of self defence, there are three to four cases that claim self defence but are actually manslaughter or criminal negligence cases.

There's been a couple of cases recently where a farmer shot a thief who was stealing his ATV. The reason he's on trial is that he shot the thief in the back, so no fear of imminent danger to his life and he was found to be chasing them, so no defence of necessity of not being able to escape to safety.

In that scenario my response would have been:

1. Hello, Police? My ATV just got stolen.
2. Hello, Insurance? My ATV just got stolen.
3. Hello, ATV dealer? I need to buy a new ATV got any in stock?
4. Hello, Insurance? Thanks for the cheque for the ATV.
5. Hello, Fred, Wanna go out on the trails with my new ATV?

No need to pay a lawyer...no messy trial.

trouble 01-07-2012 12:53 PM

forgot to add, I am a shoot first, ask questions later kind of gal, ...attempting to enter my home and not having my permission to be there, means you have no NEED to be there,---- I will take that as a personal affront, and will tell the responding officer
"I WAS IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE OFFICER."

Trespassers will be shot,...Survivors will be shot again....

AmigoKumeyaay 01-07-2012 01:41 PM

The average person may be surprised to know that law enforcement officers are prime targets of house burglars and car burglars / car thieves.

The criminals are after firearms and ammo, and quite a few law officers have multiple guns in their private collections. Scumbags are constantly "casing" officers, keeping notes on their schedules and routines.

It is a real problem, too many officers feel secure in leaving their weapons inside their personal cars while they work out at the gym, etc,...then come back to find a window smashed-out, gun is gone!

When a stolen weapon is used in a crime later on...and traced back to the original owner...Guess what? Time for a lawsuit!


On the flip side, in some cases, "Rip Crews" operate to rob drug stashes from dope dealers. Typically, a home invasion armed takeover event, keeping everybody hostage until they can find the drug stash, cash, and guns / valuables to take away.

Sometimes...these "Rip Crews" get the wrong address...


Ahhh...life in the big city! LOL

Toolbox 01-07-2012 05:55 PM

We used to have some bogus law up till recently that said that your first response to an intruder is to try to escape, a so-called "duty-to-retreat". Not too long go we adopted the castle doctrine and then back in June of 2011 they enhanced it to include places other than the home or vehicle to anywhere you have a legal right to be.

As for me and the issue of the use of deadly force against an intruder I would announce that they have to the count of 5 before I pump them full of lead... amongst other things.

RDNKJ 01-07-2012 05:57 PM

Unless it has changed in the last couple years (and I don't think it has) Texas law does expect you to make a reasonable attempt to escape if possible before you shoot someone breaking into your home. Except in extreme circumstances, I can't see a Texas D.A. bringing charges for shooting an intruder. And even if he/she did, probably even harder to find a jury who would convict.

That said...anyone try to break into my home is gonna be met by a gun. And, the way I was taught

1. Never point a gun at anyone unless you are going to shoot them.

2. Never shoot to wound...always shoot to kill.

++++++++++++++++

Then, call lawyer, call cops.

yaahl 01-07-2012 06:10 PM

Maybe I should move to the states, I could retire just on dealing with you powwow.com guys and your guns...lol

Joe's Dad 01-07-2012 06:43 PM

I just wanna cut their head off and drink their blood.

Toolbox 01-07-2012 08:16 PM

The funny thing about me is that I'm a liberal but I fully support second amendment rights and I love guns. I also believe that gun control is bull poop because someone who wants to get a gun illegally is going to get one. Where I grew up I could have had an illegal handgun (AKA "A Burner") after a phone call and $200. Also states like California that require special covers over the mag release on an AK47 or AR15 etc. is stupid because if I'm a criminal what makes someone think that I'm going to abide by the law when it comes to my guns; the stupid cover would be gone.

timmy tiger 01-07-2012 09:48 PM

Well I don't have a gun and don't really want one. Am a woman and live alone. But I have a baseball bat or a thick walking stick next to my bead at all times. I'm aiming to take someone's head clean off their shoulders if they come waling into my house without me inviting them.

It's tricky here sometimes. You have to prove direct danger to use a firearm. And fear for your life, but I sure would claim it fast and being a small woman yeah, that's exactly what I would claim. But I'll scrap with the best of them and won't go down without one heck of a fight.:thumbsup:

Toolbox 01-07-2012 10:05 PM

TT, I wouldn't even chance it, get yourself a nice Glock 17 (9mm) and some shooting lessons, I wouldn't chance my life on a bat which is a close range melee weapon when I could take out a potential rapist or murderer etc from across the room. Now I can handle a much larger caliber handgun but a 9mm with the right ammo is all thats needed. In fact you could get away with a Ruger .22 pistol which is so easy to fire, hardly any recoil, and cheap.

A study 20/20 did years ago, which included interviews with convicted felons, found that if an assailant or robber or intruder sees the weapon or knows that you are armed then they are less likely to target you or if they are in the process of attacking you or your property they will attempt to flee.

Me personally, as soon as some stuff is cleared up and some bills are paid I'm hopefully buying an AK-47, which are perfectly legal in the U.S. as long as it can't fire more than once per pull of the trigger. Imagine being the poor S.O.B. that breaks into my house to see an AK-47 pointing from down the hall or top of the stair case?

timmy tiger 01-07-2012 10:12 PM

Yeah, I'd flip looking at an AK-47 too.HAHAHAHA

Well, I hear things at night and so I'm up more then I'm not and so I would know before they do and I can see in the dark.LOL AT that point I can. I almost took my ex's head off once, it was an accident--really it was that time. But he about messed himself.HAHAHA I just don't know about guns. Too many use them to brag about, not meaning you or on this site, but had a lot of that and it just takes away any even thought I would have of having one.

Toolbox 01-07-2012 10:14 PM

You have a valid point a lot of morons out there think that just because they have a gun they have to show it off. You seem more like the person that would hide it in her night stand and not tell anyone that it's there. Just hide it somewhere else if any kids are coming over.

timmy tiger 01-07-2012 10:31 PM

[QUOTE=Toolbox;1507938]You have a valid point a lot of morons out there think that just because they have a gun they have to show it off. You seem more like the person that would hide it in her night stand and not tell anyone that it's there. Just hide it somewhere else if any kids are coming over.[/QUO

Oh that would be exactly what I would do and no one would know. Oh I know i would never have anything like that around children, that's another reason I never had one. I had kids all the time here and there was no way anything was going to happen. Here you have to have the gun locked one place and the ammo somewhere else. But before we always had dogs and one was a trip. If anyone came near me he would have gone nuts. When my ex and I would argue he would get between us and if my ex would raise his hands, like one time to point, the dog jumped up on him and pushed him back away from me.

Toolbox 01-07-2012 10:32 PM

Wow, LOL, a nice big dog works just as well too :)

timmy tiger 01-07-2012 10:57 PM

Yeah worked for me too and he was more protective of children then he was of me. So you can imagine how that was. He almost took my sister's face off for playing with my son, my son squelled and the dog jumped and started growling at her, he was going to eat her face.LOL

Migiziwomen 01-08-2012 05:22 PM

you know most dog breeds are that way. they will leave you to protect the children.
there is nothing really more to add as far as facts go, already been said. there is no gun in my house, but i do plan on getting a dog soon. from the pound gonna go start looking find one that will fit the family.

Toolbox 01-08-2012 05:44 PM

I want a black or a chocolate lab myself. Labs are fun and friendly dogs. My insurance company won't allow me to have a pit bull, rottweiler, chow or a doberman. Something to consider when buying a dog is if your renters or home owners insurance will allow it. They will cancel your policy if they find out you have a dog they don't like.

APACHEFIRE 01-08-2012 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 1507865)
Standard Zeke response:

1. "I feared for my life."
2. BANG.
3. BANG.
4. BANG.
5. Phone attorney.
6. Call cops.

except for one more BANG. this has been my answer for several years.
1 i am female
2 i live alone
3 i dont know any “pop-in” friends
4 i am ‘elderly’
5 i am handicapped
6 i live in a rual area
7 all my neighbors are elderly and or handicapped
8 none of them will come out of doors durning sundown, some not even in sunlight so none will
help
9 i know how to shoot very well
10 i have been assaulted several times
11 so i do truly fear for my life
12 i have LOTS of alternative weapons to use throughout the house, and plan on using any one or
more of them
13 whoever attacks me during a “i fear for my life” episode, isnt getting another chance to come
back to try again
14 i wont stop to think about which state i am living in or what the law is for where i am at the
time.

timmy tiger 01-08-2012 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Migiziwomen (Post 1508015)
you know most dog breeds are that way. they will leave you to protect the children.
there is nothing really more to add as far as facts go, already been said. there is no gun in my house, but i do plan on getting a dog soon. from the pound gonna go start looking find one that will fit the family.

Oh yeah, and I loved it too. My sister did too most of the time.HAHAHA She moved in with us a few times and the first time her oldest daughter was only a few months old. My son had his room and we set up the crib for the baby in the room next to him. The rooms were kind of side by side, my son's room was actually at the end of the hall. So the dog would go up and lay between the two doors when the babies were sleeping until we went to bed. He was black and my sister would try to go check on her baby and the dog wouldn't let her near the room. He would stand up and block her or even once growled. We had to call him down stairs just so she could check on her baby. HE was the most awesome dog we ever had that way. He had other issues.HAHAHA But when it came to the little ones, oh no one was getting close at all and everyone knew it too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toolbox (Post 1508018)
I want a black or a chocolate lab myself. Labs are fun and friendly dogs. My insurance company won't allow me to have a pit bull, rottweiler, chow or a doberman. Something to consider when buying a dog is if your renters or home owners insurance will allow it. They will cancel your policy if they find out you have a dog they don't like.

You know why that is? We found out 'cause the dog I've been talking about was Shepherd, doberman with a little lab in him and he had the doberman markings so many mistook him for a doberman. We found out that the breeders of the Rots and Dobs, and a few other's, will over bread them and as generations are born their skulls shrink and don't grow when their brains do so when they get older they tend to snap and attack anyone including their own people. This came straight from the vet and then the Insurance agent confirmed it. So if you get a mixed breed, they are just as protective, but don't have the same problems. I found that out the hard/easy way.LOL:thumbs_up

muskrat_skull 01-08-2012 10:24 PM

If someone comes late at night and you don't have a loaded firearm under your pillow, mattress or right at hand, you may not have a chance to use it. I had a new baby and was attacked in my sleep (you know how deep you sleep when you finally get a chance to, you get woke up so much). I pulled the murderous sob off my husband and threw him across the room and went at him with a ferocious scream I was gonna rip his eyeballs out :hypnotize he ran in terror, and this was while I was wounded, he thought I was dead. Shotgun in the closet, ammo on the shelf. Never thought to get it. Adrenaline is a great thing, I have no doubt I would have killed the guy with my bare hands at 104 pounds. I was mad, my husband was unconscious.

Any type of dog that barked could have provided much more protection and I could've armed myself or he might have just took off before harming us. Oh, and dogs love kids because they drop food. Drop more food and your dog will love you more!!! My chihuahuas hate kids. Love me though. I thought about getting an army of them instead of a big dog. They know who brings home the dog chow.

APACHEFIRE 01-08-2012 10:53 PM

Muskrat_skull
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muskrat_skull (Post 1508071)
If someone comes late at night and you don't have a loaded firearm under your pillow, mattress or right at hand, you may not have a chance to use it. I had a new baby and was attacked in my sleep (you know how deep you sleep when you finally get a chance to, you get woke up so much). I pulled the murderous sob off my husband and threw him across the room and went at him with a ferocious scream I was gonna rip his eyeballs out :hypnotize he ran in terror, and this was while I was wounded, he thought I was dead. Shotgun in the closet, ammo on the shelf. Never thought to get it. Adrenaline is a great thing, I have no doubt I would have killed the guy with my bare hands at 104 pounds. I was mad, my husband was unconscious.

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subeeds 01-09-2012 01:04 AM

I'm with trouble. I will shoot first and ask questions later. We have always had at least one rifle in the house, if not more. Our property is posted-Private Property and No Trespassing. And a Stop sign we found when we moved in the house.
Since we are close to I-95, the cops will sometimes lose somebody in the woods. Last time that happened, they came in the yard looking for him. I told them that if I saw him, I would hold him for them and if he gave me any problems, I would call them after I shot him. They freaked. "Please don't shoot him, ma'm. It makes a lot of paperwork for us if you do". I thought I would laugh until I cried over that.

Toolbox 01-09-2012 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmy tiger (Post 1508039)
You know why that is? We found out 'cause the dog I've been talking about was Shepherd, doberman with a little lab in him and he had the doberman markings so many mistook him for a doberman. We found out that the breeders of the Rots and Dobs, and a few other's, will over bread them and as generations are born their skulls shrink and don't grow when their brains do so when they get older they tend to snap and attack anyone including their own people. This came straight from the vet and then the Insurance agent confirmed it. So if you get a mixed breed, they are just as protective, but don't have the same problems. I found that out the hard/easy way.LOL:thumbs_up

I never new that about the over breeding but I can see that as being true. That is crazy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by muskrat_skull (Post 1508071)
If someone comes late at night and you don't have a loaded firearm under your pillow, mattress or right at hand, you may not have a chance to use it. I had a new baby and was attacked in my sleep (you know how deep you sleep when you finally get a chance to, you get woke up so much). I pulled the murderous sob off my husband and threw him across the room and went at him with a ferocious scream I was gonna rip his eyeballs out :hypnotize he ran in terror, and this was while I was wounded, he thought I was dead. Shotgun in the closet, ammo on the shelf. Never thought to get it. Adrenaline is a great thing, I have no doubt I would have killed the guy with my bare hands at 104 pounds. I was mad, my husband was unconscious.

Any type of dog that barked could have provided much more protection and I could've armed myself or he might have just took off before harming us. Oh, and dogs love kids because they drop food. Drop more food and your dog will love you more!!! My chihuahuas hate kids. Love me though. I thought about getting an army of them instead of a big dog. They know who brings home the dog chow.

:thumbs_up:thumbs_up A big thumbs up for you for defending yourself without a firearm. I would still keep a loaded, not cocked, 9mm or 45, or maybe a Tokarev (30 caliberish) in my night stand... until the day I have kids running around.

subeeds 01-09-2012 01:42 AM

We've always had guns-safely-even when my son was small. He was taught gun safety at an early age-a lot of kids here are. He also saw what that little tiny bullet could do. My husband shot a possum that was getting in the chickens, with a hollow point .22. My son was 5 at the time and he saw the exit wound that bullet made. He learned that day that guns aren't like what he saw on TV and that even little bullets could kill. We did always keep them out of his reach, though.

Toolbox 01-09-2012 01:44 AM

A .22 can do some nasty damage, especially self defense and hollow points.

Joe's Dad 01-09-2012 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trouble (Post 1507889)
forgot to add, I am a shoot first, ask questions later kind of gal, ...attempting to enter my home and not having my permission to be there, means you have no NEED to be there,---- I will take that as a personal affront, and will tell the responding officer
"I WAS IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE OFFICER."

Trespassers will be shot,...Survivors will be shot again....

Quote:

Originally Posted by muskrat_skull (Post 1508071)
If someone comes late at night and you don't have a loaded firearm under your pillow, mattress or right at hand, you may not have a chance to use it. I had a new baby and was attacked in my sleep (you know how deep you sleep when you finally get a chance to, you get woke up so much). I pulled the murderous sob off my husband and threw him across the room and went at him with a ferocious scream I was gonna rip his eyeballs out :hypnotize he ran in terror, and this was while I was wounded, he thought I was dead. Shotgun in the closet, ammo on the shelf. Never thought to get it. Adrenaline is a great thing, I have no doubt I would have killed the guy with my bare hands at 104 pounds. I was mad, my husband was unconscious.

Any type of dog that barked could have provided much more protection and I could've armed myself or he might have just took off before harming us. Oh, and dogs love kids because they drop food. Drop more food and your dog will love you more!!! My chihuahuas hate kids. Love me though. I thought about getting an army of them instead of a big dog. They know who brings home the dog chow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by subeeds (Post 1508092)
I'm with trouble. I will shoot first and ask questions later. We have always had at least one rifle in the house, if not more. Our property is posted-Private Property and No Trespassing. And a Stop sign we found when we moved in the house.
Since we are close to I-95, the cops will sometimes lose somebody in the woods. Last time that happened, they came in the yard looking for him. I told them that if I saw him, I would hold him for them and if he gave me any problems, I would call them after I shot him. They freaked. "Please don't shoot him, ma'm. It makes a lot of paperwork for us if you do". I thought I would laugh until I cried over that.

Note to self: Stay the hell outta Georgia, JD! :laughing:

subeeds 01-09-2012 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe's Dad (Post 1508115)
Note to self: Stay the hell outta Georgia, JD! :laughing:

Chicken! LOL!

The dog we had before Sparky was half pit bull and half golden retriever. He looked just like a golden until he looked up and you saw his jaw line-all pit. He was the greatest dog-kept the baby chicks and kitties and us safe. There are 4 families on our road-spread out along 2 miles. One afternoon, the cops came down the driveway. Red was out front on his run-it was about 125 feet- from the front porch to the magnolia. He went and met the car, just like he did with everybody when he was out. Neither cop would get out of the car because of him. When I went out and told him it was ok, he sat down, tail wagging, ready to be friends. If you were dumb enough to get out of your car before my husband or I had told Red it was ok, you did not get that greeting from him-you would get teeth. One cop was too scared to get out of the car, but the other one did. He told me he was coming down to see if we had been robbed, since everybody else out there had been. Then he goes "I suppose it's a useless question with this guy around". I told him it was. LOL!

comadre 01-09-2012 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigheaded (Post 1507878)
tricky law in the city, plus the law goes by county,so in Maricopa county Police (those on the phone) will tell you that you can not shoot unless you first have been shot) :thinking: ? HUH? Officers on patrol will tell you don't shoot unless they are actually in the house. But out in the sticks, of Pinal County all that is required is a sign posted anywhere on your property that warns, "No Trespassing, Violators will be shot." Simple as that.

yep. I second the pigster.
When I first moved down here I called the cops for someone on my property. The dispatcher had an odd tone in her voice as she asked me "well- do you have any ammo? Shoot if they move! Then she gave me a sidenote...just be sure your kids are in and it's not your dog."
I thought I had moved to Mars.
Today I fully understand that tone in her voice.
TRANSLATION? what the h@ll are you calling us for? shoot first then call if there's a body!" LOL!!!

Desert rule of thumb
If the snakes and mountain lions don't get 'em,good for them!
But if they get past the dogs,:tapedshut.

trouble 01-09-2012 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by subeeds (Post 1508107)
We've always had guns-safely-even when my son was small. He was taught gun safety at an early age-a lot of kids here are. He also saw what that little tiny bullet could do. My husband shot a possum that was getting in the chickens, with a hollow point .22. My son was 5 at the time and he saw the exit wound that bullet made. He learned that day that guns aren't like what he saw on TV and that even little bullets could kill. We did always keep them out of his reach, though.


Excellent example...my daddy was taught at an extremely young age too, when his daddy shot a snake that was between his legs as he walked across a log..

That's been the example in our family for years...when daddy speaks you listen-- you do not question-- you just do --immediately without thinking , no ifs ands or buts....BECUASE IT MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE ONE DAY, and
GUNS ARE MADE FOR KILLING, nothing else...they are not there for show, they are not there to brag about, they are not shiny things to take out and play with....they are tools made to kill, whether that be for food , sustenance for your livelihood, or in self defense...


Teaching children from BIRTH, in my humble opinion LOL, gun safety , and rules is without a doubt one of the most valuable bits of knowledge you can impart upon your children.....we learned, from birth it seemed, and my brothers and I all have a healthy respect for weapons of all types, .....they are "tools" to us in essence, and as such, are treated with respect and awareness of what their "job" is......

yaahl 01-09-2012 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by comadre (Post 1508131)
yep. I second the pigster.
When I first moved down here I called the cops for someone on my property. The dispatcher had an odd tone in her voice as she asked me "well- do you have any ammo? Shoot if they move! Then she gave me a sidenote...just be sure your kids are in and it's not your dog."
I thought I had moved to Mars.
Today I fully understand that tone in her voice.
TRANSLATION? what the h@ll are you calling us for? shoot first then call if there's a body!" LOL!!!

Desert rule of thumb
If the snakes and mountain lions don't get 'em,good for them!
But if they get past the dogs,:tapedshut.

After reading some of the posts on here... I feel like *I live on Mars*...lol

The only time I've ever felt anixiety ridden fear was when we were in the middle of a high profile case and the entire court had been threatened. I didn't think anything of it as in my day-to-day job I have some idiot threatening me with something. So I go home that night, get ready to take the dogs out and sitting at the end of my driveway was a black sedan... so off I go for a walk. Then I notice the car is following me, and I walk faster and the car follows faster, I start to run (which the dogs now are going... "Are you going to let us pee or what?") and the car speeds up. Then I start sprinting home and the car follows even faster. The dogs by now are really annoyed at me because they all have had to pee on the run, my big boy was now running as if he needed to dry out his underbelly...

I crash into the house with dogs in tow and hubby is "What's the matter?" so I huff and puff out an answer that a big black car has been following me and is parked outside... "go call the police!" I wheeze.

So hubby is on the phone to 911 and I hear him laughing... laughing! I'm about to have heart failure from all this and he is on the phone with 911 - laughing, not a .."yeah my silly wife"... kind of chuckle but the belly jiggling, tear streaming kind of laughter that you get when someone tells you a good joke. Here's my big, tough army dude husband.. is is reaching for the rifles?nope, is he grabbing the baseball bat? nope... he's on the phone with 911 laughing...

Seems the joke was, the car was an umarked police car send around to watch the house because of the threats at court (all the court had a car by their homes). Problem was, they forgot to tell me. So hubby is laughing that he's calling the police about the police in the driveway and the dispatch had radioed the car in my driveway to ask if there was any issues... do you see where this is going? The cop replied the only problem he could see is that I don't walk slow enough to let the dogs pee properly, he told them to tell me to walk slower.

Now see if you guys had had that happen to you, you'd all just bust out the guns and ask questions later..lol

pigheaded 01-09-2012 09:32 AM

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