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Old 08-04-2010, 02:26 PM   #1
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Tornado hit the Navajo Nation on Primary Election Day

What does it mean when this happens when the first woman leads in Tuesday's Navajo Nation Presidential primary election??



FLAGSTAFF, ARIZ. — The first woman to ever make it through the Navajo Nation's primary election for president has done it again.

Preliminary results from 106 out of 110 precincts show New Mexico state Sen. Lynda Lovejoy leading the field of a dozen candidates in Tuesday's primary with 16,449 votes.

Lovejoy will face the tribe's vice president, Ben Shelly, in the Nov. 2 general election.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: First woman to make it through Navajo Nation's primary election for president does it again | Washington Examiner


Tornado Hits The Navajo Nation | Phoenix News | Arizona News | azfamily.com YouNews

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i didnt think they had tornados in that region. . Interesting.
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I didn't know they had tornadoes there, either.

Being that having a woman as a leader goes against Navajo tradition I wonder if those who voted for her are having second thoughts...
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I didn't know they had tornadoes there, either.

Being that having a woman as a leader goes against Navajo tradition I wonder if those who voted for her are having second thoughts...
This was my first thought ...

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it will not stand....the modernists who are trying to forget the teachings are going to soon realize that when we absolutely needs the Gods, they are not going to be there....
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What does it mean?? I'm not sure.... but it does not have to do with Lovejoy!

I was always taught that male only leaders for the Navajo people was created when the feds showed up and would only deal with the "Men". Prior to that men and women had traditional roles in our society, this is taught through the story of the wedding basket. "Leadership" or "decision making" was made attributed to the elders of both men and women, who made decisions in those areas of their traditional roles. For example, when to go to war. That was the man's role. They decided. When to move to winter camp or plant, that was the woman's role. They decided. Everything was based on co-existence and I guess co-leadership. But our society is matriarchal. So the women owned the property and the livestock. They made the decision concerning these things.

White contact, christian ministry, and boarding schools changed everything. My mom even thinks this so confused our people that the loss of role identity has led to many of the social ills of modern society.

Maybe the rains have finally returned to Dine'tah, because women are finally being given back our traditional leadership roles. And the tornado is to say how bad the men have been for not recognizing this.... (just had to stick that in...lol)
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If Lovejoy wants to really stir things up, she should chose MacDonald-Lonetree or Clahchischilliage as a running mate.
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What does it mean?? I'm not sure.... but it does not have to do with Lovejoy!

I was always taught that male only leaders for the Navajo people was created when the feds showed up and would only deal with the "Men". Prior to that men and women had traditional roles in our society, this is taught through the story of the wedding basket. "Leadership" or "decision making" was made attributed to the elders of both men and women, who made decisions in those areas of their traditional roles. For example, when to go to war. That was the man's role. They decided. When to move to winter camp or plant, that was the woman's role. They decided. Everything was based on co-existence and I guess co-leadership. But our society is matriarchal. So the women owned the property and the livestock. They made the decision concerning these things.

White contact, christian ministry, and boarding schools changed everything. My mom even thinks this so confused our people that the loss of role identity has led to many of the social ills of modern society.

Maybe the rains have finally returned to Dine'tah, because women are finally being given back our traditional leadership roles. And the tornado is to say how bad the men have been for not recognizing this.... (just had to stick that in...lol)
and here we go again...didn't we discuss this yesterday???....the non-believers who decide to pick and choose what to believe in is what will bring our country to an even more ruin...argue all you want, you know it is true, especially when you do decide to ask outside the family circle....a family is taught to believe in it's own elder about what is right and wrong, when they, the modernist ventures out and learns more of what they weren't taught then they refuse to believe in the stories and traditions handed down....and the irony of it is that the modernist is the first to tell you to retain your culture.....hypocrisy is nice, but not here. I'm done here. Word.
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Yes, 50, we discussed yesterday by txt... so I had to post my 2 cents here...lol

I'm talking about historical and traditional roles for men and women. BEFORE Weeldil and before white ppl. We did not elect council delegatss, charimen or even chiefs. We were organized in small family/clan communities. In those communities, the women were the property owners (land & livestock) and she had principle say over her belongs, home, children and such. Men could make decisions on their responsibilities, such as things outside the hogan and as primary medicine people, but the things belong to the women. That is why a woman could put her husband's personal items outside the hogan and that was a divorce. He got his stuff and left. Granted it probably was rare for that to happen because families worked together to eliminate discord. Elders and medicine men were involved before it would ever get that far.

Young Navajos today need to know that "before"..... our families all worked together to sustain our daily lives. No one starved, unless the situation was dire. No elders were left alone. No one was without children or family, because we were all connected by clan and kinship. This is the traditional teachings. That is why Dine' practiced polygamy. If a young mother was without a husband she would be accepted by her sister's husband. This actually happen with my maternal grandfather and grandmother. That is why no one really had names until white ppl came. We all called each other by our kinship.

Our people were inclusive, not exclusive. We accepted naglee, plural marriage, nakaii, and went so far as to create clans for intermarriage with local tribes. We even accommodated change.

Yes, things are very different now. That is true. And it doesn't resemble what use to be. So this is what I was taught and what my great grandmother tried to teach her children. Her mother returned from weeldil and she remembered.
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our teachings are different, some similiarities but different nonetheless. No one in my family, both father and mother, had anyone go to Ft Sumner. So the teachings that were taught there would have evolved to accomodate change. But not so with those that held out from the Army. This is what I was taught, thru my Grandfather before he passed, and thru my Nali before she left....it was reiterated by the medicine men in our family.
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Tornado hits

Oh my, whatever are we gonna do, a woman might lead our nation. boo hoo. C'mon you guys, let it go. you complain bitterly about this issue and yet you don't say a word against domestic violence, abuse against women, children, elders. Abuse is acceptable in your eyes and yet you talk about traditional teachings, how it should be, bla, bla, bla
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You don't know that the federal government enacted several statutes to do away with our traditional government so they could govern us and take away our whole way of life. The Reorganization Act put into place the present day Tribal Council as the government leaders were unable to coerce the traditional leaders and elders.

Those of you who drive cars, wear modern day clothing, like money, live in housing with modern day conveniences are all accepting change and adhering to ways that arent yours.

Direct your energies toward something constructive but don't sit back and complain about leadership in women. You came from one.
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alright....let's see if they can come of age....since the Navajos are supposed to be matrilineal, right?
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Lovejoy and the Blue Gap Boy'z!!

Don't know how that is going to fly, but Earl Tulley is a good guy.


FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. (AP) - A New Mexico woman vying to become the next president of the Navajo Nation has chosen her running mate.
Navajo presidential candidate chooses running mate - KOLD News 13


Mr. Tulley is vice president of DinÚ CARE (a Navajo environmental group) pushing for a complete description of mining's effects on local communities.

DinÚ CARE is an all-Navajo environmental organization, based within the Navajo homeland. They strive to educate and advocate for traditional teachings to protect and provide a voice for all life in the Four Sacred Mountains. They promote alternative uses of natural resources that are consistent with the DinÚ philosophy of Beauty Way. Their main goal is to empower local and traditional people to organize, speak out and determine their own destinies. DinÚ CARE ľ an indegenious environmental organization to protect and preserver the dinÚ way of life.

DinÚ is a word by which the Navajo people refer to themselves. It means, roughly, ôthe people.ö
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That is a bit odd, I used to live in that area, for about a year, Farmington, about 150 miles from there. Don't remember any tornadoes. Seems like they always had near perfect weather. Maybe global warming is even catching up to the Navajoes.
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Yes... near perfect weather on Dine' bi Keyah... but there are and have been tornadoes here before. They are very rare.
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Yes... near perfect weather on Dine' bi Keyah... but there are and have been tornadoes here before. They are very rare.
What's rare in Ok., is near perfect weather. It's either too hot, too cold, too stormy, too windy. I seen a license plate: 2STRMY.
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What's rare in Ok., is near perfect weather. It's either too hot, too cold, too stormy, too windy. I seen a license plate: 2STRMY.
LMAO.. @ 2STRMY!!! And I heard there were flood watches last week in NE OK....
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our teachings are different, some similiarities but different nonetheless. No one in my family, both father and mother, had anyone go to Ft Sumner. So the teachings that were taught there would have evolved to accomodate change. But not so with those that held out from the Army. This is what I was taught, thru my Grandfather before he passed, and thru my Nali before she left....it was reiterated by the medicine men in our family.
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