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Old 01-16-2007, 08:07 PM   #1
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Anyone here with knee problems? >>>>>>>

A friend of mine was getting ready to set up knee replacement surgery when his insurance company sent him to another doctor who was useing a new and recently approved shot. The shots are made from the red head plumes of a chicken and are called jelly shots. After a series of 5 shots with a update every 3 months, his knee is doing great, no brace, no cane and BEST of all NO SURGERY!
The Jelly shot replaces or rebuilds something in the knee, and those who have injuries that can benifit from it the insurance company will cover them.
I went to this doctor today and while my knee doesn't have the same problems as Mikes, I was impressed with the doctor who fitted me with 2 new knee braces made more for my active life style, 1 for summer and 1 for winter. This was the 1st. doctor in 30 years that didn't want to replace my knee as soon as possible. Mike said the same thing about him.
Oh and if your wondering how good the shots work? Well, Mikes A Fire Captain and fully quailfied Paramedic who when he's not on duty takes care of his 100 horses and he doesn't even need a knee brace any longer.
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This infor sounds great! My mom has been having really bad knee probs for about 2 years now. I thought surgery (knee replacement) would help her out....I know the recovery and rehab would hurt like heck though. May you please post more information about this product. Thanks.
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What exactly is wrong with his knees? The reason why I'm asking I'm wondering if it is anything like I have.

I have what they called severely advanced degenerative arthritis. Doc wants to do knee replacement but I was against it. He gave me a cortisone shot that he said could last up to three months. That was in May 2005 and I'm just now getting a lot of pain again, so that wasn't too bad.
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ive had bad knees for years, i trashed 'em both back in my days of youth and immortallity racing motocross.the mecidos wanted to swap out my left knee when i was 16 but my mother wasnt having it. i remember getting litterature about the jelly shots a few years ago n it said something about the shots only being effective for about 6 months +/-. as i understood it the gel takes the place of weakend or dimminished cartilidge and replaces that cussion between the bones and is eventually absorbed by the body and needs to be replaced. ive been very fortunate in that my knees havent been doing too badly, a little pain in the mornings and the occassional popping and crackling going up and down stairs but im still walkng on my own and unassisted.
when people ask why i move so slowly i tell them im just fighting off a bout of rigor mortis
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What exactly is wrong with his knees? The reason why I'm asking I'm wondering if it is anything like I have.

I have what they called severely advanced degenerative arthritis. Doc wants to do knee replacement but I was against it. He gave me a cortisone shot that he said could last up to three months. That was in May 2005 and I'm just now getting a lot of pain again, so that wasn't too bad.
There is an upside to the cortisone shots - they are extremely effective and depending on the amount of cartilege degeneration will last for a long time. The down side is the cortisone itself will accelerate the degredation of the cartiledge.

I was diagnosed with degenerative arthritis at the age of 15. I've done the full course - cortisone injections, glucosimine/chondroitin - all that stuff. My knees lasted until I was 46. Surgery to clean up the bone and cartilege fragments (which had put a gash in the miniscus and almost completely severed the ACL and PCL) on the left knee went badly and post surgical complications put me in the hospital for a month with an 18 month recovery period following.

I have 60% bone on bone on the left knee and 40% on the right knee. I'm considered non-op for anything other than life-saving surgery (because of the complications from the "clean up") so I got a nifty set of wheels strapped to my butt now.

I also have this stuff in my shoulders, hands and neck. It would be great if this injection jelly thing would at least work for my hands and shoulders. Right now, my Johns Hopkins Doc figures I need to quit working in about 6 years because at that point my hands just won't take it anymore.

I'm hoping medical science will figure something out. I can't take the Cox-2 inhibitors (that being one of the things that enhanced my post surgical problems) and the other NSAIDs might as well be sugar pills. I basically have the choice of pain or opiates... and I have to use the opiates sparingly so I don't end up building up a tolerance (which would require increasingly higher doses of opiates).

Most people are diagnosed at 40-50 years old with degenerative OA though so considering I have had this for close to 30 years, it's not unexpected.

There are things you can do at the beginning for knees - keep your weight down, exercise in a low-impact way that strengthens the muscles which hold the affected joint in place (as the cartilege is worn away by the particulates in the synovial fluid - stronger muscles and healthy ligaments will keep you from having the joint dislocate on its own), drink lots of water (hydration plays a part in the composition of synovial fluid), and use heat packs before exercise and cold packs after (this helps keep inflamation to a minimum).

Probably the best thing I did was to go to a chronic pain clinic to learn bio-feedback techniques - basically ways to learn to live with a certain level of pain by knowing how to ignore it.
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Thanks for all the helpful info.
I'm doin the glucosamine/chondroitin now....... it was doing great. Like I said...... I've going this long on the first shot but I'm hurting pretty bad now.
The knee is dislocating. That's what part of the problem is ... I have to "pop" it back in.
My shoulder and wrist have been hurting now ...... also my neck. Got dang old age.
Keep the weight down?!? Ummm...... blew that one!
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Every 10 lbs extra that you carry translates to 30 lbs of force that the knee has to exert (or at least that's what I was told). Weight and exercise is sooooooo important.

When I finally had to break down and see a doc (because the damage that happened with the miniscus and the ACL/PCL happened when we were moving house - I didn't wear my knee brace OR wrap the knee and we were moving from a two story house) he was amazed that I was still walking with 60% cartilege loss. Prior to the injury I was walking 5 miles twice a day (brisk - 45 minutes out and 45 minutes back).

See your doc and get a goot physical terrorist to set you up with a strength training regimin. The side benefit is the muscle you build burns more calories at rest than fat does.... which means after a period of time your body will lose weight for you!

BC (before chair) I maintained a weight of 175 (appropriate for my height and body type) for 25 years. AC (after chair) - well it's been a steady gain. I'm mostly sedentary and since shoulders and hands are involved I'm limited to low impact exercise for the upper body.

PT guy said there's not much I can do exercise-wise anymore to control my weight and I am just not a rabbit food person. All my levels (cholesterol, blood sugar, BP, heart rate) are in the healthy range but I know I'm going to have to go the rabbit food route soon.
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I have suffered with knee pain for 30 years. Had surgery 29 years ago, then arthritis and age set in. Two weeks ago I had a total knee replacement. Am getting around with the aid of a walker but can take a few steps without assistance, now just have to work on range of motion. I have been through every shot they offered, physical therapy and a host of holistic treatments. The doctors were leary of performing a replacement because of my age (will be 50 in May) but said that it was my only option to reduce the pain and improve quality of my life.

Like I said, the surgery was two weeks ago today, I have staples removed Monday, then back to work on the range of motion and hopefully back to sewing soon. I am very optomistic about my recovery and am looking forward to gourd dancing and intertribals with my friends and family. Also looking forward to trips to the zoo, running and playing ball with grandbabies and being able to get down to their level to play. Pain is something I have tolerated for years and so far the pain I am experiencing is dull in comparrison to pre- surgrey pain. It is a different pain, and for the first time in 30 years not constant.

I am thankful for the opportunity given to me to have this replacement........things can only get better from here.
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Knee problems

Right now I am having a very bad arthritic flareup in both
knees, my right shoulder, and my left foot. I periodically
get these but usually only in one place at a time. I am
trying to treat them with (buffered) aspirin, but someone
suggested that alleve (naproxin sodium) or ibuprofin might
be more effective. Anyone have any ideas?
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Napracin is a prescription drug that might be the next step up for you. Mobic, another good prescription NSAID (non-steriodal inflamatroy drug), didn't have the digestive side effects for me that Napracin did but it's effectiveness seemed to diminish over time. I switched up between the two for about 10 years.

A good place to start learning about arthritis treatment and NSAIDs is here: http://arthritis.about.com/cs/nsaids...tsofnsaids.htm

I've discovered that my flares coincide with swings in air pressure (going from high pressure to low). I jokingly call it being a human barometer. NSAIDs don't work for me any more, cortisone injections are no longer an option (as the side effects of long term cortisone injections cause increased deterioration of the cartilege) and so I rely on the judicious use of the opiate pain relievers commonly prescribed for advanced arthritis. Cox-2 inhibitors are miracle stuff IF you don't have medical tendencies that make them off limits for you.

Talk to your doctor. If you don't have a doctor you can talk to, find one you can. Arthritis is a chronic disease and as time goes on the "easy" answers for pain decrease and you will really need a doc you can trust to help you adjust and learn to use all the methods of combating pain (medical and mechanical) that are available.

Good luck!
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Thanks for all the helpful info.
I'm doin the glucosamine/chondroitin now....... it was doing great. Like I said...... I've going this long on the first shot but I'm hurting pretty bad now.
The knee is dislocating. That's what part of the problem is ... I have to "pop" it back in.
My shoulder and wrist have been hurting now ...... also my neck. Got dang old age.
Keep the weight down?!? Ummm...... blew that one!
LOL!! I am with you Mato Winyan, it is very hard to lose weight when you have mobility problems. I have bowed legs -- which means the joints don't fit like they are supposed to. I have both degenerative joint disease (osteoarthritis) and rheumatoid arthritis in my neck, shoulders, wrists, hands, back, knees and just recently it has moved to my feet/ankles. My orthopedic doctor wanted to inject Synvisc (chicken cartilage) into my knees but my health insurance did not approve it. He did not want to replace the joints as I have had knee surgery just 6 years ago to repair the torn cartilage. The surgery lasted all of 6 months and the pain/stiffness returned. Now I have the same thing in other parts of my body.

A para-trooper told me to take 1000 mg of wild salmon fish oil and triple strength glucosamine/chondroitin twice a day for two weeks. That is the best advice I have gotten. I have tried it all (physical therapy, pain management, water exercise). The only problem with pain medication is that it makes you an addict.
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we had a debate with a pharmacist over my mothers pain meds once....she had multiple sclerosis and was on vicadin, vicadin es, norco,5mg vallium and 10mg vallium and 10mg baclafin. the phamacist made the argument that there was the addition factor to consider, moms doctor made the argument that she had MS,she was bed ridden, and she was in constant pain. she wasnt going to get better, so addiction was not really a factor
I understand and I will say prayers for your Mom. I was referring to myself, as I take medication for insomnia, a narcotic, and a muscle relaxant. I am worried about drug addiction.
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I understand and I will say prayers for your Mom. I was referring to myself, as I take medication for insomnia, a narcotic, and a muscle relaxant. I am worried about drug addiction.
ummmm, thanks for the offer, but i guess i should have mentioned my moms died in '01
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