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Old 11-15-2004, 02:54 PM   #1
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I have a problem, my grandson who just turned 3 July 17th of this year has a over hyperacitivity level which drives me bananas sometimes! I LOVE him dearly but trying to keep up with him is over whelming @ times....anyone with ideas that will keep him calm, I know candy/pop are a big no no for him!!!
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So, are you saying he has fetal alcohol syndrome or effect; or is he ADHD, there is a difference. Has there been an actual diagnosis?
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So, are you saying he has fetal alcohol syndrome or effect; or is he ADHD, there is a difference. Has there been an actual diagnosis?
:dontknow: My grandson, Geordell hasn't been diagnosed by anyone because the specialist didn't want to specify exactly what he has, but anyway, my guess is ADHD?? I'm not a counselor or anything, I work with YN Family Counseling and many Indian children in Foster Care have a linking to FAE/ADHD or even FAS, I just want some help on how to calm him down, he LOVES to run, but dangerously he runs into the streets without looking which scares me very much!!!
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Now I've heard everything! A specialist that doesn't want to be specific? You need a REAL specialist! Are you getting services out of Toppenish? I'm trying to remember the Medical Director's name from up there--I used to live across from his sister. Regardless, you are right, it needs to be a specialist. If you know that there was pre-natal exposure to alcohol you may be looking at FAS. If you are, what you are dealing with is differing degrees of brain damage. Some FAS/FAE children present with a significant degree of impulsivity, hyperactivity, oppositional behavior and sleep disorders. Medication can often assist with these symptoms. Psychotropic medication may be necessary and should be considered a critical component of the treatment plan. The age the child can start medication and the type of medication necessary will depend upon the individual child's history and presentation. The child's pediatrician, a child psychiatrist, or neurologist should be able to assess medication needs. Have YOU spoken to the specialist? What kind of specialist are they? They need to be a specialist trained in assessing birth defects. It is very important you get a correct diagnosis because this 'hyperactivity' is just one possible manifestation of FAS.
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http://www.arbi.org/index.html
The above is one of the best websites on FAS/FAE. It is an Alberta website. Also, there is an excellent book out called "Transforming the Difficult Child: The Nurtured Heart Approach", by Howard Glasser MA. And, while this book focuses on the ADHD child, depending on the degree of FAS/FAE, if it is present, this book could be helpful to anyone parenting such a child.
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My advice...get a proper specialist and a correct diagnosis..

ADHD (Attention Deficeit Hyper-activity Disorder) and FAE/Fas are pretty different things..

He might be jsut a hyper , fun-loving kid with loads of energy..ya never know..

My foster brother of 10 yrs had FAS..severely and its totally different from kids ive been around who have ADHD..

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My advice...get a proper specialist and a correct diagnosis..

ADHD (Attention Deficeit Hyper-activity Disorder) and FAE/Fas are pretty different things..

He might be jsut a hyper , fun-loving kid with loads of energy..ya never know..

My foster brother of 10 yrs had FAS..severely and its totally different from kids ive been around who have ADHD..

Just remember...everyday is a new day..not always better than the last but always a new day..

I'm thinking that he's just a fun-loving energetic kid that will one day outgrow his outbursts of energy, it scares me that he has no fear!! He doesn't have the facial features of FAS but has the effects of FAE/ADHD? I just tell everyone who says that he's very hyper that one day he'll be in the Olympics, play for the Sonics/Seahawks, you know things like that, he's going to be a very athletic guy, he loves to play ball, basketball/baseball/football, and running. When I hear about giving kids "medication" to calm them down, I'm against it because I fear that an after affect called depression will take place like I hear about.......
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We are 200% against Ritalin and all those other meds too...

As weird as it sometimes sounds..their hyper cheery personality is a definite part of who they are..
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I have a child who has ADHD and if your grandson has this the doctors will not know for sure until he is about 7yrs old because most children have ADHD/ADD tendencies. What we tried with my kid is finding something that he was interested in to keep him busy opposed to meds, but it's no longer working for him so know we are looking for alternatives to medicines because of the side effects these drugs can cause. I don't know about most kids with ADHD, but I have to keep a close eye on my son which is 9 now and will be 10 in a couple of weeks. My kid does not pay attention when crossing the streets which means he has to be supervised when we are in parking lots or just outside playing. He is distracted very easily I have to give him instructions one at a time, he is taught at home he gets his school work done, but I have to sit there and make sure he is doing it and not doing something else if I leave for more than a second he's off to do what he wants. When he was between 5/6 he was in his room and he cut the alarm clock cord and shorted the power out in half of the house and then when he was 7 the XMAS string lights one of the bulbs blowed and he stuck his finger in the missing bulb socket. He has always had a fascination with fire so he must be watched, I have tried everything I can think of to get him to stop I have tried taking toys away , to showing him the show rescue 911 were they showed burned victims on tv.
Can someone please help me I have run out of things to try.
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We were just discussing ADD/ADHD in my Psych class. My teacher did a study with kids in the classroom and teachers that were having problems with the students. He said that his theory is there is no such thing as ADHD,they called it something like Exteme Hyperactive Syndrome...He didnt like saying the kids had any type of disorder when they are just being kids. Anyway what they did is hypnotize the children and gave them suggestions while under hynosis for the children to calm their activity levels while in class. He said that it worked, children are very easy to hypnotize and it is all about being open to suggestion. You can be in the room when it happens. From what he said the teachers and children were much happier afterwards.

I dont know if this is something you'd be open to... just thought Id suggest it. People are getting hypnotized for a whole range of things from losing weight to quitting smoking.
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I will see about trying that, I'll try about anything at this moment to get him under control.
Thank you for the suggestion.
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I will see about trying that, I'll try about anything at this moment to get him under control.
Thank you for the suggestion.
It's a thought, but where does one get a hold of a person of this skill? + how much does it cost??? I have never heard of this going on, where have I been? I mean I heard of hypnotists, but if it'll work, is there any side effects? There are probably many others who have similar problems with kids as we do and I'm totally against medication.
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It's a thought, but where does one get a hold of a person of this skill? + how much does it cost??? I have never heard of this going on, where have I been? I mean I heard of hypnotists, but if it'll work, is there any side effects? There are probably many others who have similar problems with kids as we do and I'm totally against medication.
I had a friend who went to one to stop smoking, but as far as for kids I don't know what kind of hypnotists, or where to find this kind of one. I spoke to a friend today who's kid has a form of autism and they suggested that maybe I should make a appointment with a pediatric behaviorist so he can be tested for other possible problems and to make sure it is just ADHD and not something else. From what I gather it's like a psych examination, that the behavorist does maybe they have one of these kind of doctors where your located. When I find out more I let ya know, I'm going to see about finding out more about it today.
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I had a friend who went to one to stop smoking, but as far as for kids I don't know what kind of hypnotists, or where to find this kind of one. I spoke to a friend today who's kid has a form of autism and they suggested that maybe I should make a appointment with a pediatric behaviorist so he can be tested for other possible problems and to make sure it is just ADHD and not something else. From what I gather it's like a psych examination, that the behavorist does maybe they have one of these kind of doctors where your located. When I find out more I let ya know, I'm going to see about finding out more about it today.
:clap: I know I've come to dead ends about what to, how to correct him, what to feed him, what not to feed him???? I wish there an instand cure for hyper active children, because my grandson's no fear attitude scares me, he just laughs and thinks everything is cute until he gets hurt, he's a loving lil guy that has a lil sister who mocks just about everything he does. My daughter is 25 years old and I didn't have this problem with her, I guess it's a one in a million thing huh?
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:clap: I know I've come to dead ends about what to, how to correct him, what to feed him, what not to feed him???? I wish there an instand cure for hyper active children, because my grandson's no fear attitude scares me, he just laughs and thinks everything is cute until he gets hurt, he's a loving lil guy that has a lil sister who mocks just about everything he does. My daughter is 25 years old and I didn't have this problem with her, I guess it's a one in a million thing huh?
Check out the book I mentioned previously for coping suggestions. I'm curious why you mentioned FAS/FAE from the start when it appears you've dismissed it as a possibility. As a drug/alcohol counselor I've seen a number of adults who are suffering the affect of their mother drinking while pregnant. Some are FAS/FAE, others are just impaired slightly. Again, only you know to what extent alcohol was used before your grandson was born--then again, maybe you don't. If there is any possibility alcohol was a factor whomever has custody or guardianship over him has a responsibility to seek the correct diagosis and follow-up with treatment. I've seen too many kids who go through life with a 'label' attached to them that is incorrect; and in some cases, prevents them from meeting their potential because 'family' either thought they were doing the kid a favor by 'making allowances' for behavior or nonperformance. Instead of all the armchair guessing going on here, he needs evaluated.
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Check out the book I mentioned previously for coping suggestions. I'm curious why you mentioned FAS/FAE from the start when it appears you've dismissed it as a possibility. As a drug/alcohol counselor I've seen a number of adults who are suffering the affect of their mother drinking while pregnant. Some are FAS/FAE, others are just impaired slightly. Again, only you know to what extent alcohol was used before your grandson was born--then again, maybe you don't. If there is any possibility alcohol was a factor whomever has custody or guardianship over him has a responsibility to seek the correct diagosis and follow-up with treatment. I've seen too many kids who go through life with a 'label' attached to them that is incorrect; and in some cases, prevents them from meeting their potential because 'family' either thought they were doing the kid a favor by 'making allowances' for behavior or nonperformance. Instead of all the armchair guessing going on here, he needs evaluated.

I guess I'm a grandparent on the verge of needing co-dependency tx.? I had temporary custody for the past 7 months and will soon be going to tribal court to give her back her kids, which was questionable to me, but she claims their her kids and I'm not the mama, so that's that, I just wanted to get people out there to realize that the children suffer because of their mom's abuse of alcohol/drugs, I know I lost my son when he was 5 months because of my own abuse of drinking/smoking pot while carrying him, although I never really thought about it then. I'm very "over protective" when it comes to my grandson, I guess for me he's filling in when I lost my son...which is yet another subject, I'm going on 12+ years of sobriety with still issues not resolved. Someone told me to get to an Alanon mtg. Meetings have never been my style, anyway I just wanted to help other young people out there that think partying is "fun" ...............
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My advice...get a proper specialist and a correct diagnosis..

ADHD (Attention Deficeit Hyper-activity Disorder) and FAE/Fas are pretty different things..

He might be jsut a hyper , fun-loving kid with loads of energy..ya never know..

My foster brother of 10 yrs had FAS..severely and its totally different from kids ive been around who have ADHD..

Just remember...everyday is a new day..not always better than the last but always a new day..
Who is your dad? The Blacklodge singers are also having a memorial Round Dance @ the White Swan Pavillion Nov. 26th & 27th.
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I guess I'm a grandparent on the verge of needing co-dependency tx.? I had temporary custody for the past 7 months and will soon be going to tribal court to give her back her kids, which was questionable to me, but she claims their her kids and I'm not the mama, so that's that, I just wanted to get people out there to realize that the children suffer because of their mom's abuse of alcohol/drugs, I know I lost my son when he was 5 months because of my own abuse of drinking/smoking pot while carrying him, although I never really thought about it then. I'm very "over protective" when it comes to my grandson, I guess for me he's filling in when I lost my son...which is yet another subject, I'm going on 12+ years of sobriety with still issues not resolved. Someone told me to get to an Alanon mtg. Meetings have never been my style, anyway I just wanted to help other young people out there that think partying is "fun" ...............
I think we ought to have a "Woman of the Year" award for gals like you who give their ALL for their families and community. Congrats on your sobriety; I know it ain't easy. I wouldn't worry about the AA meeting thing too much. The only thing I like about them is the phrase 'take what you need, and leave the rest'. Sometimes something valuable gets shared but I find these meetings are often more of a downer than encouragement. Do what works best for YOU! The courts seem to think all kids are better of with their biological parent(s). Sometimes this philosophy just doesn't wash. And, God bless you for sharing about your personal path. You are a survivor and I have alot of respect for that. I'll be thinking of you when I go to MY next CODA meeting--I'm a great enabler myself. :Angel2
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Question What is CODA??

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Originally Posted by Washakie Witch
I think we ought to have a "Woman of the Year" award for gals like you who give their ALL for their families and community. Congrats on your sobriety; I know it ain't easy. I wouldn't worry about the AA meeting thing too much. The only thing I like about them is the phrase 'take what you need, and leave the rest'. Sometimes something valuable gets shared but I find these meetings are often more of a downer than encouragement. Do what works best for YOU! The courts seem to think all kids are better of with their biological parent(s). Sometimes this philosophy just doesn't wash. And, God bless you for sharing about your personal path. You are a survivor and I have alot of respect for that. I'll be thinking of you when I go to MY next CODA meeting--I'm a great enabler myself. :Angel2

:hey!: I asked the Alcoholism Counselors here what it means and they have no idea, and they are CDP's, I guess sometimes I feel like there is no reward for being a recovering alcoholic/pot smoker, but I know my grandchildren will never have the embarrassment of seeing me drunk or using ever again, it's bad enough I started smoking cigarettes again, but then I never smoke around them, which is bad on my nicotined lungs that are probably bad enough from my past but it might be just a thing with me that might pass??? I'm praying daily for all our Indian people who are out there using and abusing, my family included, I'm 48 years old and have already lost many family and friends because of the abuse of those mind boggling left side of the world things...
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