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Old 10-30-2014, 03:13 PM   #41
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On a serious note. Human controlled telepathy is nothing more than pseudoscience hogwash. Mankind has tried for millennia to do it and have failed. Scientist have invented technology (there's that word again) that allows us to have some control over another living creature's brain but that is more of a hack than "telepathy". In nature the only thing that even comes close to telepathy is on the subatomic level, a concept known as the "Theory of Quantum Entanglement", which is just that a theory and is something that we cannot control with our brains. We may be able to build machines and systems that may exploit it.

This notion that dying early is good is completely against our natural instinct of self-preservation. If something is trying to kill us we will naturally flee or fight it. When it comes to forces of nature that could kill us we develop technology to fight it off, just look at your house and it's climate control systems. I guarantee you that when it's cold you turn the heat on or toss some wood into the fireplace. Diseases, we kill those with vaccines, antibiotics, antivirals, sanitizers, waste management, plumbing, and sewage treatment. All of that in more to further our natural instinct to survive.

What you thought was the "Native American way" is entirely wrong. If you are looking for a group to attach to that is all about minimal technology, minimal environmental impact, and minimal health care amongst other things then you should look at joining a hippie commune.

I can almost bet that next time you cut yourself on a rusted piece of metal that you will be praying that you got a tetanus shot or you'll be rushing to the hospital once a bacterial infection sets in.
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I gotta confess. I like this thread cause I love it when NDN women get assertive. I don't know what it is about that makes me want to cheer like a crazed sports fan LOL.
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OK. If you are right, natives may be naive.

You look like fascinated by white man's inventions.

I tell you (as a white man), they are all irresponsible inventions that we make for fun and proving our superiority to God.

The fact that there are pain-killers in the nature is a proof that hospitals are not needed. But white man is thirsty to invent.

He invented the car without even thinking about implications about giving a car to "each person on the planet."

If I were you I would analyze the white man more carefully.

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Congratulations for being the straw that broke this camel's back.

Your newspaper clipping is a yet another telling of an old Indian joke. As I said it is a pithy one-liner to put an uppity white man in his place. However, I'm sure you'll believe that before me since it has a picture of an old Indian with braids and a nice Indian sounding name. Much more convincing than the writings of a Native woman in her lab.



I just knew that this argument would end with us being declared inauthentic. You are from Turkey. You are not a Native person. But, I am. I know my people; I know what we believe. But, you as a non-Native person can tell me my ways are lost. Excuse me?

You don't know what we believe. You don't even seem to know we have many many different tribes with different cultures and different philosophies. All you want is for us to be your imagined Indians.

Why is it every time we disagree with a non-Indian, their ultimate rebuttal to our argument is to tell us we aren't real Indians and don't know our own ways? We tell Hobs that they are appropriating our culture, they tell us they are preserving it because we can't. We disagree with an armchair anthro's interpretation of our culture and they tell us we don't know our culture. We tell New Agers that these are our ways, not theirs, and they tell us we are disgraces to our ancestors. Non-Indians always have to assume ownership and make themselves the gatekeepers of truth and authenticity. Intellectual Columbuses!
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I can almost bet that next time you cut yourself on a rusted piece of metal that you will be praying that you got a tetanus shot or you'll be rushing to the hospital once a bacterial infection sets in.
How animals survive this?

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Well, you aren't us-and believe me, Native Americans have had more than their share of chances to analyze the white man.
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On a serious note. Human controlled telepathy is nothing more than pseudoscience hogwash. Mankind has tried for millennia to do it and have failed. Scientist have invented technology (there's that word again) that allows us to have some control over another living creature's brain but that is more of a hack than "telepathy". In nature the only thing that even comes close to telepathy is on the subatomic level, a concept known as the "Theory of Quantum Entanglement", which is just that a theory and is something that we cannot control with our brains. We may be able to build machines and systems that may exploit it.
Science misunderstood telepathic research.

It is not guessing a number in another's mind.

It is analyzing the harm caused by subconscious telepathy.
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I'm curious as to something. Why are you here? Are you trying to see if you can disillusion us about the "Native Way" and how we have strayed from the "red path?" Won't work, I can tell you that right now.

If I recall correctly, your part of the world doesn't have the greatest reputation for being non-polluters, either.
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How animals survive this?
they dont
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OK. If you are right, natives may be naive.

You look like fascinated by white man's inventions.

I tell you (as a white man), they are all irresponsible inventions that we make for fun and proving our superiority to God.

The fact that there are pain-killers in the nature is a proof that hospitals are not needed. But white man is thirsty to invent.

He invented the car without even thinking about implications about giving a car to "each person on the planet."

If I were you I would analyze the white man more carefully.
consider it done! Now...go find some crazy like minded hippies. Get them super stoned (that way you have a better chance at making sense) and have at it!

Get off your computer! It's just random white man tech invented to kill you!
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We are more important? If we are not we will not survive neither. Justice is in the nature.

Which technology is needed to fabricate vaccines?
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You are starting to sound like the adults in the Peanuts cartoons.
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You are starting to sound like the adults in the Peanuts cartoons.
No I sound with someone who is awake.

You cannot see what technology did?

I do not understand how you can defend it.

Think about the car. THE CAR!!! Everywhere!!!
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consider it done! Now...go find some crazy like minded hippies. Get them super stoned (that way you have a better chance at making sense) and have at it!

Get off your computer! It's just random white man tech invented to kill you!
Green guy, that's the best advice you will probably get today.
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No I sound with someone who is awake.

You cannot see what technology did?

I do not understand how you can defend it.

Think about the car. THE CAR!!! Everywhere!!!
Is that like the plane, THE PLANE?
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No I sound with someone who is awake.

You cannot see what technology did?

I do not understand how you can defend it.

Think about the car. THE CAR!!! Everywhere!!!
yeah...and you rode in one yesterday. So.....

If you are awake...I want to go back to sleep. So go away.
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Green guy, that's the best advice you will probably get today.
OK. So you convinced me that Natives were in fact like americans.

This was a good lesson for my own survival.
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Is that like the plane, THE PLANE?
You do not understand the problem with the car? We have billions of cars. They pollute. They are the cause for wars.

You do not understand this?
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And Fukishima is still leaking radioactvie waste and that pollutes more than cars. This does not concern you? Rhetorical question-never mind.

Looking forward to catching up on this thread Mon.-especially since baseball is officially over. LOL!
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And Fukishima is still leaking radioactvie waste and that pollutes more than cars. This does not concern you? Rhetorical question-never mind.
This is a white man ego trick. You hide the real conversation, and appear more intelligent. You just hide the truth about the harm done by the technology with some joke and I look stupid.

Bravo and good luck.
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Bravo and good luck.
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