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Old 04-05-2011, 06:24 AM   #1
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i am currently in germany for 19 month and i still feel the pull of the pow wow highway, is there any good powwows out in germany so i can get my pow wow fix?
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Got stationed in Germany as well...but been in Afghanistan more than I have in Deutschland. 5 months in Germany...9 months in Afghanistan...and counting. One NDN gurl said they have do have powwows in Germany and asked me if I been to any but I told her I spend most of my time in the field training...
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Yea my sister n law and husband (whos MP) is there in stugart maybe? Hope you guys are doing ok there. they hate it there. Um I looked up online any pow wows in germany but nothing. So sorry I couldn't help ya! Good luck!
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i am currently in germany for 19 month and i still feel the pull of the pow wow highway, is there any good powwows out in germany so i can get my pow wow fix?

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If you're willing to travel there are powwows outside of Germany there are a few throughout Europe. In April there is one in Poland. In June there are powwows in the UK and Denmark. I can send you more information if you are interested.
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Ia m in Stuttgart. Do you have any info that you can share? I'd go to just about anyplace to see a powwow this year.

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I asked it before I found a decent read that answered my question. I am currently reading it and no where near halfway through it. Haha
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I saw a flyer for a powwow in Germany August 2011, I did not go of course. The flyer had a bunch of photos on it and seeing all the whites dressed up playing Plains NDN was not something I care to see.
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smart man........twinkie pow wows here are bad enough....would hate to see them across the drink
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Der Indianer: Why do 40,000 Germans spend their weekends dressed as Native Americans?

May-June 2009

The first thing John Blackbird learned when he was growing up on the Canadian prairies was that his people were no good. Raised primarily by a white family, Blackbird heard from friends and classmates that Natives were lazy and unemployable. Even in childhood games, nobody wanted to be the Indian. Everyone wanted to play the gallant cowboy.

Today in Germany, Blackbird is a star, a celebrity even. He’s seen as a descendant of the wild and free people of the plains—an embodiment of environmental respect. Fans routinely trail the 38-year-old Cree filmmaker on the streets. He tours the country’s military installations and schools, and is asked for opinions on everything from politics to spirituality.

Blackbird’s fame springs from a remarkable cultural phenomenon: some 40,000 German “hobbyists” who spend their weekends trying to live exactly as Indians of the North American plains did over two centuries ago. They recreate tepee encampments, dress in animal skins and furs, and forgo modern tools, using handmade bone knives to cut and prepare food. They address each other by adopted Indian-sounding names such as White Wolf. Many feel an intense spiritual link to Native myths and spirituality, and talk about “feeling” Native on the inside.

Their fascination with Native culture is due in large part to Karl May, the best-selling German author of all time. In 1892, May published the first of many books about a fictional Apache warrior named Winnetou and his German blood brother, Old Shatterhand. The two men roamed the North American plains, using their nearly superhuman powers to fight off the land-hungry government and thuggish, violent pioneers. (Fans of the stories included Albert Einstein and Adolf Hitler.) In the 1960s the duo was immortalized in five popular films, and hobbyist groups began forming across Europe. There are now more than 400 clubs in Germany alone.

Some Natives do take issue. When he first traveled to Germany, David Redbird Baker, an Ojibwe, thought adults playing cowboys and Indians were cute. But when the hobbyists began staging sacred ceremonies like ghost and sun dances and sweat lodges, Baker was offended.

“They take the social and religious ceremonies and change them beyond recognition,” says Baker, who believes that hobbyists, in claiming the right to improvise on the most sacred rituals, have begun to develop a sense of ownership over Native culture. They’ve held dances where anyone in modern dress is barred from attending—even visiting Natives. They buy sacred items like eagle feathers and add them to their regalia. They’ve even allowed women to dance during their “moon time,” which is, according to Baker, the equivalent of a cardinal sin.

Carmen Kwasny, who chairs the Native American Association of Germany, is convinced that Germans’ fascination with der Indianer comes from a lack of interaction with the natural environment in the country’s increasingly crowded, industrial cities. Kwasny grew up in Bavaria in an area surrounded by towers and factories; she remembers longing for an intimate connection to nature. “People in Germany are looking for some closeness, a new religion, new way of thinking,” she says. “The conflict is they have to find out that Native Americans are just people.”

They have to get past Karl May, in other words. If Germans knew the conditions in which a lot of Natives live today, they would have no interest in recreating them, says Marta Carlson, a member of California’s Yurok tribe and a Native studies teacher at the University of Massachusetts. “No one wants to be living below the poverty level on a [North American] reservation,” she says. “It lacks a certain romance.”

John Blackbird often feels frustrated with his role as a “dime-store Indian,” but when he comes home to Canada, he sees airport gift shops hawking sweatshirts and mugs stamped with the faces of chiefs who were persecuted during their lifetimes. If he looked for a job or an apartment, he would face a wall of racism. His daughters might expect to have poorer health and higher rates of unemployment as adults.

So he stays in Deutschland and promotes the documentary film he finished in 2005. Entitled Powwow, it follows several people as they perform dances from across a broad spectrum of Native traditions. Blackbird says he is trying to show Germans that Native dances are evolving art forms, not the ancient rituals of an extinct people.

Once, as part of his promotion efforts, he described his documentary in an e-mail to a hobbyist organization as being about “Indian life.” He received a quick response informing him that the proper term was “First Nations,” that he would do well not to use racist terminology.

“I am an Indian!” Blackbird shot back. “My friends are Indians, my family are Indians. We have always called ourselves Indians. I have a status card from the Canadian government that tells me I am an Indian. You have no right to tell me what I am.”




Excerpted from Alberta Views(July-Aug. 2008), a magazine that reports on Albertan politics and culture with wit and zeal and a 2009 Utne Independent Press Award nominee for social/cultural coverage; www.albertaviews.ab.ca.
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Der Indianer: Why do 40,000 Germans spend their weekends dressed as Native Americans?

May-June 2009

The first thing John Blackbird learned when he was growing up on the Canadian prairies was that his people were no good. Raised primarily by a white family, Blackbird heard from friends and classmates that Natives were lazy and unemployable. Even in childhood games, nobody wanted to be the Indian. Everyone wanted to play the gallant cowboy.

Today in Germany, Blackbird is a star, a celebrity even. He’s seen as a descendant of the wild and free people of the plains—an embodiment of environmental respect. Fans routinely trail the 38-year-old Cree filmmaker on the streets. He tours the country’s military installations and schools, and is asked for opinions on everything from politics to spirituality.

Blackbird’s fame springs from a remarkable cultural phenomenon: some 40,000 German “hobbyists” who spend their weekends trying to live exactly as Indians of the North American plains did over two centuries ago. They recreate tepee encampments, dress in animal skins and furs, and forgo modern tools, using handmade bone knives to cut and prepare food. They address each other by adopted Indian-sounding names such as White Wolf. Many feel an intense spiritual link to Native myths and spirituality, and talk about “feeling” Native on the inside.

Their fascination with Native culture is due in large part to Karl May, the best-selling German author of all time. In 1892, May published the first of many books about a fictional Apache warrior named Winnetou and his German blood brother, Old Shatterhand. The two men roamed the North American plains, using their nearly superhuman powers to fight off the land-hungry government and thuggish, violent pioneers. (Fans of the stories included Albert Einstein and Adolf Hitler.) In the 1960s the duo was immortalized in five popular films, and hobbyist groups began forming across Europe. There are now more than 400 clubs in Germany alone.

Some Natives do take issue. When he first traveled to Germany, David Redbird Baker, an Ojibwe, thought adults playing cowboys and Indians were cute. But when the hobbyists began staging sacred ceremonies like ghost and sun dances and sweat lodges, Baker was offended.

“They take the social and religious ceremonies and change them beyond recognition,” says Baker, who believes that hobbyists, in claiming the right to improvise on the most sacred rituals, have begun to develop a sense of ownership over Native culture. They’ve held dances where anyone in modern dress is barred from attending—even visiting Natives. They buy sacred items like eagle feathers and add them to their regalia. They’ve even allowed women to dance during their “moon time,” which is, according to Baker, the equivalent of a cardinal sin.

Carmen Kwasny, who chairs the Native American Association of Germany, is convinced that Germans’ fascination with der Indianer comes from a lack of interaction with the natural environment in the country’s increasingly crowded, industrial cities. Kwasny grew up in Bavaria in an area surrounded by towers and factories; she remembers longing for an intimate connection to nature. “People in Germany are looking for some closeness, a new religion, new way of thinking,” she says. “The conflict is they have to find out that Native Americans are just people.”

They have to get past Karl May, in other words. If Germans knew the conditions in which a lot of Natives live today, they would have no interest in recreating them, says Marta Carlson, a member of California’s Yurok tribe and a Native studies teacher at the University of Massachusetts. “No one wants to be living below the poverty level on a [North American] reservation,” she says. “It lacks a certain romance.”

John Blackbird often feels frustrated with his role as a “dime-store Indian,” but when he comes home to Canada, he sees airport gift shops hawking sweatshirts and mugs stamped with the faces of chiefs who were persecuted during their lifetimes. If he looked for a job or an apartment, he would face a wall of racism. His daughters might expect to have poorer health and higher rates of unemployment as adults.

So he stays in Deutschland and promotes the documentary film he finished in 2005. Entitled Powwow, it follows several people as they perform dances from across a broad spectrum of Native traditions. Blackbird says he is trying to show Germans that Native dances are evolving art forms, not the ancient rituals of an extinct people.

Once, as part of his promotion efforts, he described his documentary in an e-mail to a hobbyist organization as being about “Indian life.” He received a quick response informing him that the proper term was “First Nations,” that he would do well not to use racist terminology.

“I am an Indian!” Blackbird shot back. “My friends are Indians, my family are Indians. We have always called ourselves Indians. I have a status card from the Canadian government that tells me I am an Indian. You have no right to tell me what I am.”




Excerpted from Alberta Views(July-Aug. 2008), a magazine that reports on Albertan politics and culture with wit and zeal and a 2009 Utne Independent Press Award nominee for social/cultural coverage; www.albertaviews.ab.ca.
German copy cats base their views about NDN's on Karl May's stories. While meanwhile some met real American NDN's or got knowledge from TV shows. I don't like when white people dress up like NDN's - it is wrong - unless they are somehow affiliated with tribes and live with NDN's. When american ndn's live in Germany and do their own Powwows - that's a different thing.

Those germans that dress up like NDN's and copy things are in my eyes trying to find a way to be kind and gentle and loving while that kind of behavior in ordinary german society is not apprechiated. So I guess that's a way for those to express goodness. My opinion. - Like for example I once told another german woman that she's special, just me being friendly, she got furious about me saying that und told me she's not special. So, it's not appreciated just being friendly as a german toward another german. Many bend over backwards to please foreign people but treating their own kind with arrogance. And then trying to play NDN's My perception.
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Those germans that dress up like NDN's and copy things are in my eyes trying to find a way to be kind and gentle and loving while that kind of behavior in ordinary german society is not apprechiated. So I guess that's a way for those to express goodness. My opinion. - Like for example I once told another german woman that she's special, just me being friendly, she got furious about me saying that und told me she's not special. So, it's not appreciated just being friendly as a german toward another german. Many bend over backwards to please foreign people but treating their own kind with arrogance. And then trying to play NDN's My perception.


From my friend's San Diego, CA coffee shop I met Gerhard, 70 year old German, very Teutonic, everything must be perfect and in order! Achtung! Very good conversation, but when he finish the coffee "I must go - BYE" ....that's it!

However, i must ask, Germany immigration policy used to accept foreign children (unaccompanied) as refugees. The German government would quickly put them in school to learn German language and customs, then give them full German citizenship at age 18 ? or 21 ?

Many of these kids were sent by parents that wanted to enter Germany in the future, sponsored by their sons that gained German citizenship.

Many of the kids were Kurdish, or other tribal peoples. Have their tribal traditions (language, music, songs, dances, clothing) survived in Germany ?
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From my friend's San Diego, CA coffee shop I met Gerhard, 70 year old German, very Teutonic, everything must be perfect and in order! Achtung! Very good conversation, but when he finish the coffee "I must go - BYE" ....that's it!

However, i must ask, Germany immigration policy used to accept foreign children (unaccompanied) as refugees. The German government would quickly put them in school to learn German language and customs, then give them full German citizenship at age 18 ? or 21 ?

Many of these kids were sent by parents that wanted to enter Germany in the future, sponsored by their sons that gained German citizenship.

Many of the kids were Kurdish, or other tribal peoples. Have their tribal traditions (language, music, songs, dances, clothing) survived in Germany ?
Hm... I know it the other way around... many turkish people came to work in Germany during the 70's mainly men and they seemed to think german women are free to get, don't know the english word but the german is "freiwild" - so when I was a teen I often got kinda molested by those men and I disliked it. And since Germany always liked to be open for letting in all sorts of people to work and live - those men hardly ever married german women but had their spouses come after they got established. Now there are many many turkis people a whole society living in Germany and yes they practise their traditions and having lots of children trying to build their churches and german gov. says yes because otherwise they would stand in the bad light of being racists. Hum... and those germans, that like to keep a german country in a german way, not exactly the way that you mentioned about Gerhard, but just german way of life are immedeately called naz. So there are a lot of those kind of germans that I do not like, nazis, but others feel too a loss of german life style. The accuracy you call teutonic maybe is not teutonic but more like a prussian way but your Gerhard seems more or less like a person doing things in a naz.way? I don't know, since man, my ancestors are prussian and they were kind people.

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That's probably because they are only interested in their own perception about NDN's... hum...

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Why are these hobby NDNs only interested in the plains NDN anyway?! Don't they know there are other tribes that live on the coastal area's, in the eastern forests, southern deserts, or is it just they watched Dances With Wolves one too many times?
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