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Old 12-09-2003, 11:24 PM   #41
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Its pure ignorance for the powwows around here to think we don't exist or woudn't want to take a part in the powwow. I get a lot of the same BS that us cali indians are sellouts because of the casino crap but you know it gets tiring to try and explain were more then that. I was at a powwow recently and we had 2 cali elders there watching but the committee had a Cheyenne guy bless the 'gym for the powwow. Its ****king time we get respect. If I were to go to a Cheyenne country and was asked to bless their powwow I'd make damb sure no Cheyenne elder was there who I'd be disrespecting as a honor to invite creator's blessing. It just wouldn't be right for me to do that. Cali is a state with I think to much ignornance and disrespect but still we as calis try and live our good way of life. I think I agree with my uncle 'we are just to strong in our ways for the nid'toa to understand and respect us.
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Old 12-10-2003, 03:00 AM   #42
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well i don't know if the powwow is the cali tribes traditional way of gathering for a celebration. If they call it a powwow then it seems pretty much open to all in attendance for recognition. If the cali tribes don't like it then they should have a gathering and call it whatever they want besides a "powwow".
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Robby we do have our own gatherings the are called Big Times, and then we also have ceramonies based on what tribe you are, could be brush dances, straberry festival, dolphin dances, ect..... What we are saying is becuace Califonia was a relocation state there a many non --cali skins here. When they do a PW, they never seem to consider our elders or what cali tribe maybe "native" to the area. YOu do not see cali elders going to other states and taking over rolls of that states trible elders, so why non- cali skins got to come out here and act like there are no cali skins. And WHen the casino's do PW's the do have their native peeps dancing specails.
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Robby, it's a matter of manners. California is these guys homeland.
How would you like it if you were treated like your people were completely illegitimate by outsiders who come to your homeland? And to make things worse, these people aren't white or black or asian, these people are N8ive, just like you, but they treat you just as bad if not worse than the whites, the blacks, and the asians do.

Wouldn't you get pissed if a bunch of Huichols (sp?) or Seminoles came up to your homelands and started acting like they were the only ones there, like your peeps didn't exist?
And started having powwows and what not on your homeland with out so much as a "hey, we're wanting to do this event, since you are host nation, can you send an elder or two to bless it?"

It's manners, man. Pure and simple. We N8ives should have them, especially with each other.
When we don't treat each other with respect, we aren't acting any better than those Foreigners that have come over here and made a mess everywhere and are still treating us like crap.

P.S. Gaawd i miss Big Times!!! I miss lukewarm lemon-lime Shasta cola and a piece of pinenut bread!! I miss pinenuts period. they're $9.50 a freaking pound here!
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Yep what Crabby said .. AN think about this where we live there are plenty of NDN ppl here but when a pow wow is held most times is sure isnt by an NDN ..an just bout anything can take place in the circle most times its just a big joke an as long as we allow it to happen it will just keep on keepin on . Bout time some skins deal with this issue an show ppl its not just a circus act its our way of life ..messed with it long enough ..time for us to take it back !!!! just my 2
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I've been to California NdN ceremonies as a invited guest. The times I was invited was a true honor to me because during their ceremonies not a single non-NdN was there. Not one. These California NdNs hold there traditions and ceremonies with a protection to keep them sacred and free from rape. Rape in not having their ways being performed by just anyone. I'm not even from here, California but I have worked with the NdN agencies. Most are not California NdN but when I meet one I have the utmost respect for them because I know how they are disrespected on their own homelands. My ex girl was California NdN and although I never went to any of her ceremonies her family was very tightnit and very proud. I'm states away from my own homeland but these California NdNs know there traditions which is more vital than any pow-wow way of life. Gold-toothed-dancer you should be commending your people for not tainting your ways and traditions. Pow-wows are good for the money hungry and the lonely looking for a SNAG NdNs but don't mix your traditions with the pow-wow, it will only cause negativity.
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Old 12-16-2003, 07:44 PM   #49
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I don't dance at powwows but I wouldn't even if I could because Granma tells us we only dance the way Mag ka Ha created us to. I go to them and know lots of people both from here and from other states but I like our ways. But I like going to powwows to so I just do both. I don't see any harm in that. I wouldn't mind other n8tives adopting our way but I have a problem when I see the the non n8tives trying to ask how we make our skirts and our medicines especially when they come to granma and all that. It's bad enuff seeing non n8tives try to be all fitting in at powwows I think I would go off if I saw them trying to fit in at our ceremonies.
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Yo that's why I posted this thread not to be a ***hole or make you all think were tryin be better or nothing like that but just get the point across we here. That goes for all tribes in any state not just here in cali but all states and any tribe getting ignored in your homeland.
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Yo that's why I posted this thread not to be a ***hole
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Funny, that's why I thought you posted it..... (just playing).....
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Yo runnerz its like this I only become a asshole when I needs to be. Yo all you cali skins give the shouts to native threads for honoring the cali peepz in the pitchers. Luiseno is reppin it. Tahts hell cool man and when I get money I'm a buying some threads.
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F****N Chumash style all the way!!!! Point conception is our gate !!!! No offense to any non Cali "NDNs" but im a F****n 1/2 breed all the way Lakota and Chumash and i to have posted a few times and you know what,... how did we sell out for having casinos??!!?? :Mad you shinabs, and various other tribes have them to!!! so dont even think to start!!! ( not that you have just stating a point) anyways were makin $$ and following our economic development plan!!! maybe you should do the same!!! or get a F****n plan.... I do apologize i just got out and I am just a little pissed at some of the current situation of things....give me a few Ill chill out.....Dokca....:Yell
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Yo Wacipi bro good to have ya back man and belive me those 2 had it coming to them no matter the details bro its done. Chumash 1/2 or not its all ways good and Lakota makes for a good tough mix but don't lose the cali way man we're a dyeing breed. But as someone said on here we cali indians are proud peeps and if we stay with our traditions and listen to what our elders and older one's teach and have to give us we're going to be here for as long as it takes. With the casinos man its the white world pitting us against each other casino indian against non casino indian so go to your elders and your tribal counsels and go as a group a tribe and tell them what you want. Tell thme you want language classes, you want traditional dance classes, history classes anything to help the cali tribes. We are all proud tribes all in cali so man even if sh*T hits the fan keep it real keep it CALI STYLE. I talk with my mom every single day and with my uncles about our traditional way of life and even how things are changing everyday and not being used and when I have my kids one day in the future I'm going to teach them all I was taught and I'm glad I asked my elders. I'm not saying all the elders because unfortuantely not all elders are worth the advice or even hvae the wisdom to share whatI want and should know.
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HEY!!! you guys are back! geez I stoped postin here cuz I tought ya all had gone. Cool!, well I tlked to my older cousins, and told them about this thread teh topic, and so now are family has reseved a date at Pismo beach (chumash area) for us all to get together and keep singing and getting every one in teh family to dance! we are meeting the first weeknd in August.....they do not know much about compters so they are not on here but this thread helped me coordinates will all my cousin, (which are many in numbers) It cool cuz we all made a comitment to do it!
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I'm confused on something so I'll just ask.
If Cali Indians are at pow-wows why don't they just dance in our tribal dress. Who is asking for them to be invited to their own house to party so to speak?
The last one I went to in Indio had Cali Indians were they invited or did they just dance?
It was cool to check it out and bring my bros to check it out but whats the big deal?
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OK so who here knows some good basket weavers?
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I know huh....lol I should just learn to make them huh.......shoot you should too, ok there it is RAY RAY's basket hat..that our new biz! LOL...I better start planting some juncas! Shoot that dang luch want abasket hat, so bad, she all ways wearing my mom's when she hangs out over there. She has her design all ready picked out. NOw just need you to learn how to weave and I'll buy if from you....lol
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