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Old 07-27-2004, 04:50 PM   #1
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Sneak Up song after the Victory Song

Why do some powwows have a sneak up song right after the victory song during grand entry?

I've been seeing this a lot more here in the northwest.
It seems weird to call for a sneak up song because all the women are out on the floor still - some women leave the floor, some women dance stationary on the side, and some women even dance w/ the men.
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Old 07-27-2004, 06:15 PM   #2
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I come from Crow Creek South Dakota and we're now at our 144th annual powwow. The sneak up has always been done after the victory song. But things change and it depends on who's running the show. Anything can happen so it's best just to be prepared.
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i've noticed that too out here in california. it's always a little awkward for us gals, because we're like "okay, i guess i'll sit down now...."
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i've noticed that too out here in california. it's always a little awkward for us gals, because we're like "okay, i guess i'll sit down now...."
Are you from northern California? Because here in southern California we've been going to powwows since the 1980's. The sneak up has been a standard especially when Kelly Looking Horse used to put on a powwow unless it's run by a southern plains committee in which case a round dance will usually follow.
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You have to understand that women have not been dancing in the arena for very long at all (WWII era really) so when songs like that were sung there were only men out there. The women made up the circle as they danced stationary on the outside.

Things change, and now some women enjoy dancing to a sneak-up song, but many will honor that old way and dance on the outside stationary.
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as it becomes more and more common to sing sneak up songs when women are out on the floor ....do you think it'll become more and more common for women to be given sneak up songs during contest???

powwow evolution huh?
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as it becomes more and more common to sing sneak up songs when women are out on the floor ....do you think it'll become more and more common for women to be given sneak up songs during contest???

powwow evolution huh?
Anything can happen. At the Indio powwow in March 2004, the teen girl's fancy shawl category received a Southern ruffle/shake song.
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I think more people should learn the words to that first song...it pretty much describes how to dance it if you listen to it. Those words also answer your question.

But, then again, most sneak-up songs being composed today aren't anywhere close in meaning to that original. Most are rock-n-roll songs. So who knows?

I'll teach my little girl about this song and its meaning, and if she loses future contests for walking to the side and dancing stationary then so be it.
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I think those that don't know any better will walk off the floor. I always dance on the side, stationary.
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I think those that don't know any better will walk off the floor. I always dance on the side, stationary.
My sister is a jingle dress dancer also and we'd always tell her to dance stationary during the sneak up. But, sometimes the singing is too good for her not to dance.
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My sister is a jingle dress dancer also and we'd always tell her to dance stationary during the sneak up. But, sometimes the singing is too good for her not to dance.
So dancing stationary isn't dancing?
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So dancing stationary isn't dancing?
No, dancing stationary is dancing, not, not dancing, lol.
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c'mon these r the modern days ppl can dance to anything they want so wat if they wanna dance to a sneak up song let them u cant tell a person u cant dance to this or that u dont know ur traditions .....so wat if any body ever came up to me an told me im not doing somthing right ill jus tell them so wat go do ur own thang
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c'mon these r the modern days ppl can dance to anything they want so wat if they wanna dance to a sneak up song let them u cant tell a person u cant dance to this or that u dont know ur traditions .....so wat if any body ever came up to me an told me im not doing somthing right ill jus tell them so wat go do ur own thang
With this attitude, why have any traditions?
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With this attitude, why have any traditions?
I was thinking the same thing too. I would hope that if an elder or some other person was concerned enough to tell us if we are doing something wrong or inappropriate, then we should be respectful enough to listen.
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excuse me singer dad i follow my own traditions wat i meant is if someone from another tribe has told me i was doing somthing wrong then i would say so wat go do ur own thang damn i aint gonna follow someone elses traditions from another tribe if someone from my tribe has told me i was doing somthing wrong yes i would listen but someone elses tribe no i wouldnt
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and upon reading this thread, there is alot I do not know. I just wanted to take the time to compliment, Uw_n8iv's Website. It is truly beautiful! Your pictures of the dancers are truly breathtaking, and I personally wish to thank you for sharing them.

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Thanks Summerwaters!! You should try to check out the powwow next year in Seattle (april 15,16,17, 2005)

but about this thread....i can see Kween_Krazee's point of view. There are types of songs that don't come from around my area....and we modify the way we dance to the songs....so for example...if u ever seen an old style plateau woman dance to a crow hop song......they have a bouncy step....not necessarily how the crow women dance to the song.

so .... when the sneak up song comes up when woman are on the floor....dancers from different tribes are probably all going to have different reactions huh
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I think those that don't know any better will walk off the floor. I always dance on the side, stationary.
Kakeeya, this is what I was taught to do as well. I agree with singerdad; some traditions need to be carried on, otherwise we will end up with powwows(gatherings) that will no longer resemble what they once were.

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