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Old 12-10-2011, 01:54 AM   #21
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What have you found out about your Cherokee heritage? It seems kind of hypocritical to me to be searching for your Native heritage, yet at the same time embracing faiths who take bits of Native beliefs and corrupt them and twist them to suit their own purpose. Oh, well. Just my lil' own opinion.
Well, honestly I can't research further my father was adopted and it's made it damn near impossible to follow down that ancestry. So I've just accepted my Portuguese and Irish heritage. :) Also No offense to you but Wicca/Pagan is ancient. So for you to say Wicca took Native beliefs and twisted them.... well thats a little odd...

Also when you say "Wiccans often take Native beliefs and twist them" that is stereotyping.... its like saying I know some blonds and well blonds are stupid....

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Old 12-10-2011, 02:03 AM   #22
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I should have said that a lot of modern Wicca takes Native beliefs... Oh well. Don't forget, Native Americans are also ancient.
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Old 12-10-2011, 02:07 AM   #23
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Ok, I will remember that :)
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Also Yaahl.... referring to my post I take offense to this. "Her last posts before her absence was about Wiccan stuff." Ok, I don't know if your just undereducated or what but Wicca beliefs have many similarities to Native beliefs....
Do wicca play with hornet nests?

Hmmm...
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Old 12-10-2011, 12:33 PM   #25
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Apparently so I wouldn't be here shoot....lmao. There can't be courage without fear! :P LMAOOO I'm just hoping she don't chase down n murder me, but hey its ok. lol.
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Old 12-10-2011, 12:34 PM   #26
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congratulations, i think you found your animal totem at the same moment you lost your mind...i hope your happy with it, sounds like a lifetime thing, not something you can take back for a refund or exchange
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Old 12-10-2011, 12:42 PM   #27
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wow, you know you people aren't good. Honestly you make me not want to even support Natives sometimes. JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW> I havent lost anything. and its funny YOU "NATIVES" say that because thats what the Europeans though about YOU> Your just like them if you think about, You talk down to me because I believe something you might not OR because I believe something your people do. Your a bunch of hypocrites and it's time someone told you. I get many people try and steal your culture your beliefs, but I'm not one of them. I'm trying to find MY* path wherever that may lead me. So go ahead, tease, tell me I'm crazy, tell me "wicca" things shouldn't be put on the internet Because whats really funny is your doing exactly what the Europeans did to your people, only your doing online instead of to my face and not to the extent. So thank you. I've been through so much these past 7 months that I have been wondering why I am even on this planet. My family don't want me, my lover for 5 years don't want me, his family didn't want me. Thanks for making me feel so welcomed. I'll leave you all alone with this* Remember what you say to people because your words can be used for good or evil as well as your mind body and soul. I don't see you people who attack me as good and your not because your words are evil and they hurt. I wish I would just be taken from earth already, I'm tired and can't bare it no more.
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Jadenia, you already know about the teasing nature here, along with the debates about heritage, culture, and protocol.

The words you are using, even about yourself, are harsh. You have had some stressful times lately, there has to be somebody on campus you can talk in person, it would be good to decompress your thoughts and worries over things.
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Old 12-10-2011, 01:07 PM   #29
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:53 PM   #31
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why was this thread put back up?
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I wish pizza was a animal then it would be my totem but then I would not be able to eat it boooooo.

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Well I was going to say welcome back Jardenia, it's been a long time. I clearly see that you are struggling and I hope you find whatever it is that you need. I seen someone mentioning you a week or so ago, so know that everyone is not hostile towards you.

I agree with most comments here though and I mean no offence just sometimes we are our own worst enemies. If you read enough on here you will begin to see a pattern of why people lose their patience...

Take Care and Be Well!!
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Ok, so I have been away from the forums for a long while. I've had many things happen in my life these past 7 months. After searching for a long while my animal totem has finally revealed itself to me and I'm excited to share. The Sparrow Hawk is my totem. I can't believe I didnt see it before, but as usual I wasn't paying attention. It came to me in my dream when I asked the creator to please give me guidance to my totem. I knew there were many things I need/needed to learn. I'm just excited that just a few minutes ago I discovered my totem. Many things to learn :)
Animal Totems? Reminds me of some NW Coast tribes. But I don't think "animal totems" are a Cherokee thing. I know Cherokee's have a zodiac/horoscope. They aren't the same thing though. Cherokee's are a stomp dance or Green Corn tribe, ennit? Well, I know Okie Cherokee's are anyway. Don't know about Eastern Cherokee's.

I think you really need to find out which exact Cherokee tribe/band you're descended from. Maybe take a visit to the Eastern Cherokee rez in NC or OK Cherokee Nation HQ in Tahlequah, OK; whichever one you find out you're descended from or maybe both!
Then learn about REAL Cherokee culture; like actually seek out Cherokee tribal members that are knowledgeable in Cherokee culture/language/etc. Learn about your tribe first and foremost!!

Remember, theres a lot of scammers/plastic shamans/new-agers out there that say or think they know everything about Cherokee culture or Native Americans as a whole... These type of people will take bits and pieces from a certain tribe(s) culture/religion and distort it into something false or outrageous. Many of these phonies even try to profit off of their scabby, greedy, ways. Sadly, the Cherokee tribe seems to be one of the tribes that gets this *******ized treatment the most. People like yourself(sorry I have to say it), that don't really have a good strong tie to their tribe, tend to fall for the romanticized Indian "new-age" bo-log-na.
Thats why I'm telling you to learn about your tribe first and everything else can come later.
An also, thats why a lot of the replies you got came off a certain way. That and Native Americans have a unique sense of humor; we like to tease! An if you've got Ndee relatives, its worse! LOL.
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I wish I would just be taken from earth already, I'm tired and can't bare it no more.
I just now saw & read this sentence. I know life can be hard but this way of thinking isn't good. Come on, there is probably plenty of people that you know that would be extremely hurt if something extremely bad were to happen to you! Family, especially! Even if you don't think so or want to believe it, I'm sure someone would be really devastated. You can't give up... I agree with AmigoKumeyaay on finding someone to talk to or confide in. Maybe a counselor? I know it will help.
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Oh, Jadenia - that is so sad! Sometimes things in our lives get to where it all just seems so overwhelming. It may sound trite, but it is nevertheless true - everyone has had times when they didn't think they could continue - but it gets better - always.

I don't know you, but I can tell you with certainty that there are people who care about you. The people who are helping you study Wicca care for you - they wouldn't bother to teach you, otherwise.

Not trying to speak for anyone else, but, the people on here teasing you - they care about you too. If they didn't, they wouldn't bother to try and guide you/correct you in what they consider to be appropriate/inappropriate.

You're not new here, you've seen the teasing before. You've probably seen a lot harsher teasing here as well - I know I have.

As long as you don't pss off the moderators, post what you want; talk about what you want. You may or may not like the responses you get - but even "negative" responses can be learning experiences.

Anyway, I hope you're feeling better about yourself than when you wrote the above quote.

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Just out of curiousity - what type of Wicca are you studying? The Wiccans I've known over the years have generally practiced a Celtic form of Wicca, but I've known Wiccans from other traditions as well - Russian, Germanic...
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Oh, sure ya could! Eating your "totem pizza" would imbue you with the Powers of Pizza. For extra Pizza Power - I suggest maybe some jalapenos or hot peperoncinis!



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