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Old 10-05-2008, 06:24 PM   #41
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I don't think any of ya are funny. Yu are downright disrespectful and the great spirit sees everything ya do. We don't have to prove ourselves but my father and i will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Dear that is precisely my point
This is not a JOKING matter
But the stuff you are spewing is not CHEROKEE!!!
Our Culture goes back Thousands and Thousands of YEARS
We never believed in a Great Spirit that is other Cultures
BUT NOT CHEROKEE
We are born into it
I can recite my family line going back many many years and NOT ONCE have I found a Princess or a CHIEF

If you are what you are we can not change that
And if there is one thing I have grown up with is this
Ndn's make fun of each other we develop very thick skins
It is a Universal Part of our Culture
I have heard my entire life about Cherokee Princesses and HALF BREED SONGS
And CHEROKEE PEOPLE SO PROUD TO LIVE SO PROUD TO DIE!

You kind of grow immune to someone with a story of " Great Great Grandmother was a Cherokee Princess

We dont go around telling people our Clans
This raises a Flag

We dont go around telling people our NDN Name
This raises another Flag

We dont belong to tribes nobody has ever heard of in the entire history of NORTH AMERICA
This Raises a Red Flag

We dont have far different ways between parts of the Cherokee Nation
Eastern Cherokees and Cherokee Nation can talk to one another in our Language it has not drifted apart very much.
We know customs of each other and if we choose not to use clans anymore such as what has happened throughout the Whole Nation then that is our choice...
We dont have Customs that we each dont know about
That is what makes us Cherokee...

You have said things that has raised a great many flags
Then you get defensive and angry

You will either get really mad and not log back on
Or you will stay around and enventually you will learn more things and be apart of this Electronic Community

The Choice is Yours

You are not the First one that has left in a huff
We all go through that

I have my whole life
Until the day I die
I was born into this life of being a Cherokee Man
that is who I am
But its up to others to accept me as that
Now is it not?
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Old 10-05-2008, 06:27 PM   #42
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I was agreeing with you and Josiah. It happens all to often. It is really annoying and I am just tired of it.
Oh, Ok I thought I was being misunderstood. I bet your all tired of it
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My Dear that is precisely my point
This is not a JOKING matter
But the stuff you are spewing is not CHEROKEE!!!
Our Culture goes back Thousands and Thousands of YEARS
We never believed in a Great Spirit that is other Cultures
BUT NOT CHEROKEE
We are born into it
I can recite my family line going back many many years and NOT ONCE have I found a Princess or a CHIEF

If you are what you are we can not change that
And if there is one thing I have grown up with is this
Ndn's make fun of each other we develop very thick skins
It is a Universal Part of our Culture
I have heard my entire life about Cherokee Princesses and HALF BREED SONGS
And CHEROKEE PEOPLE SO PROUD TO LIVE SO PROUD TO DIE!

You kind of grow immune to someone with a story of " Great Great Grandmother was a Cherokee Princess

We dont go around telling people our Clans
This raises a Flag

We dont go around telling people our NDN Name
This raises another Flag

We dont belong to tribes nobody has ever heard of in the entire history of NORTH AMERICA
This Raises a Red Flag

We dont have far different ways between parts of the Cherokee Nation
Eastern Cherokees and Cherokee Nation can talk to one another in our Language it has not drifted apart very much.
We know customs of each other and if we choose not to use clans anymore such as what has happened throughout the Whole Nation then that is our choice...
We dont have Customs that we each dont know about
That is what makes us Cherokee...

You have said things that has raised a great many flags
Then you get defensive and angry

You will either get really mad and not log back on
Or you will stay around and enventually you will learn more things and be apart of this Electronic Community

The Choice is Yours

You are not the First one that has left in a huff
We all go through that

I have my whole life
Until the day I die
I was born into this life of being a Cherokee Man
that is who I am
But its up to others to accept me as that
Now is it not?
Thank you!
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God sees all things, nothing is hidden from him!
please don't go that route! If you truly do have roots and are proud of who you are then this should all just roll of your back
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Humm if only soap on a rope could talk!!!!!!
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Josiah, I can always count on you to sum it real simple like! Thanks!
It ain't no fun being in Arkansas where fake Cherokee clans and princess run amok. Makes it hard on everyone.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:20 PM   #52
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Hummingbird,
Someone has fed you (and probably your father) some bad info.........if your family is Cherokee start tracing them back to where they came from.......who they came from.........document it.
Since it seems your family is from the south eastern area, you would probably need to find out from the Eastern Band of Cherokee what are the requirements are for tribal membership as well as what rolls your family may be on (do a search online for the Eastern Band of the Cherokee's and inquire of them what the tribal membership requirements are).
Not only is it finding your family on the rolls you need to do.........you need to prove it. Direct lineage....family death and birth certificates. Proving with out any doubt that the person listed on the rolls is someone you are directly related to.
It takes some work.........but if you want to claim yourself as Cherokee.....you need to make the effort to back it up.
Get your info from the Cherokee nation's tribal center.

Be wary of any group that will sell you a membership/enrollment card........they are fake and only wanting to take your money.
I'm thinking that's probably what has happened to you.

And your right...........God see's all things.
But just remember if he's watching us......he's also watching you. So be sure you are doing what is right and good.

Good luck.
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Dear Cloth Dancer.
My father did have papers proving it but he lost most of his belonging's in a bad situation with his ex. But he's planning to trace it all over again. Twenty years ago, my father lived on the Shiprock Reservation out in New Mexico. He'll get his documents back but he's not concerned about pleasing other people. He's long past that.He knows he's being truthful and i know i am. That other native brother is just being very disrespectful. Thanks for your understanding.
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Hummingbird,

The thing is, I agree with what the others that have commented along the same avenue.
The "other native brother" that your commenting on for being "disrespectful".........you need to know that in fact he's probably being a whole lot kinder than some Indian folks might be if you confronted them.

You're raising a LOT of the wrong kind of "flags" in the way you're saying things.

Some times the best way to learn is to listen...........
don't try and push onto others what you think is correct.
It's not.

Have a good evening.
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Dear Cloth Dancer.
My father did have papers proving it but he lost most of his belonging's in a bad situation with his ex. But he's planning to trace it all over again. Twenty years ago, my father lived on the Shiprock Reservation out in New Mexico. He'll get his documents back but he's not concerned about pleasing other people. He's long past that.He knows he's being truthful and i know i am. That other native brother is just being very disrespectful. Thanks for your understanding.
If he lived in Shiprock, then he was living on the Navajo Reservation.


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And please try to understand this, too............we hear this same kind of statement over and over and over and over:
"My (insert relative) was a Cherokee (Chief....Princess....Warrior, etc.) so therefore I AM Cherokee"............coming from folks that I'm pretty darn sure probably aren't.

So after awhile we get kind of aggravated by that kind of statement.

Probably hard for you to understand.........

Anyway........good luck with whatever you're trying to accomplish.
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You must be able to link one of your direct line ancestors (first and last name and age) to the Baker Roll of 1924.

Then you must have blood Quantium of 1/16 or more to become Tribally enrolled through the EBC.

And you must be able to provide documentation from yourself back to that person on that roll.
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