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Old 03-02-2007, 12:48 PM   #21
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what got me at first was that it sounded like you thought being adopted by a cherokee family made you cherokee.
it doesnt, it only makes you a memer of that family. but ive moved on,now im sickened by the fact that your husbands body is still warm and youre talking about being "a good cherokee wife".
austrailia has its own indiginous people, why not go pretend to be one of them? they've got some way cool traditions too.
it'll save you the airfare and it'll save the real cherokee people the embarssment that is you
OUCH! A little harsh, don't you think?

I'm not a member of the Cherokee tribe, although my great-grandmother was, and I'm not Anishnabe, either. What I'm curious about is why is it any time someone mentions the name "Cherokee" folks want to label them a wannabe?

True, the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no bq requirement, but does that mean that Cherokees are "less indian" than other tribes with more stringent requirements? If running waters had said she was being adopted by the Kiowa, Choctaw, Dine, etc., would you be grilling her like this? It just seems like anytime someone says "Cherokee" the alarm bells start ringing.

I don't pretend to know anything about Cherokee adoption practices or the validity thereof, but I think that is a CHEROKEE issue, not a Chickasaw, Anishnabe or even just NDN issue. If her elder is out of line in respect to the adoption process, shouldn't his tribe be the judge, jury and executioner on it and not us?

Our position as NDNs within the framework of the powwow forum should be one of education and encouragement, and if correction of error is to be done, let's do it gracefully. She didn't come on here trying to sell herself as a "Cherokee princess", or offering to sell medicine ceremonies like that guy in NY. She was just saying hello.

So....in the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Ok...I'll get off my soapbox now...
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OUCH! A little harsh, don't you think?
hehehe, you havent seen the PM she sent me outlining her plans.


its not the adoption thing that im against persey. at one point in history adopting a person was a thing of merit. today its just another thing of whimsy, like a person walking up and asking for an official ndn name and no more important.
this girl is not only not native, shes not even american. shes had this romantic dream of becoming indian since she was 12.
that alone screams to me wannabe but some of the other stuff she mentioned to me in an attempted azz chewing pm cinched it. im not impressed with her as a person or even as a human being as her motives seem to me to be completly ulterior
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what got me at first was that it sounded like you thought being adopted by a cherokee family made you cherokee.
it doesnt, it only makes you a memer of that family. but ive moved on,now im sickened by the fact that your husbands body is still warm and youre talking about being "a good cherokee wife".
austrailia has its own indiginous people, why not go pretend to be one of them? they've got some way cool traditions too.
it'll save you the airfare and it'll save the real cherokee people the embarssment that is you
I am talking in the future in years to come if i remarry and if i marry a cherokee person ok, as before i meet my late husband i meet a cherokee man who wanted to marry me and i would learn to become a proper cherokee wife if i did marry.


Of course i not thinking on those lines at present, i mourn my late husband all the time and i am crying for him, nearly all day and night ok as i had known him for a long time and he knew my interest in tradional native american culture.

In fact before we got married it was his idea for me to go to usa to see pow wows etc as he did not want to fly because of 9/11 and the only reason i was left some little money from my late mother who loved travelling around the world so i was able to do so in remember of her.

I thought maybe some time this year i would go back just to see pow wows and do sweats and no other reason.

And no it is not a resume ok just stating the facts as i see it.

And no the people who are are my friends understand this and are not embrassed to know me even if they are cherokee or whatoever.

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You are in mourning now "means you cry for someone" are you following those traditions as well? Or has you Elder shared with you what happons when we mourn?
Yes i am trying to do it over here, and the elder over there is supporting me.

i only came on the computer just to have a few hours off from crying from remembering my husband and whatever i say in my heart, and what i feel, which my late husband knew about and which we discussed, flute maker would not understand that is his choice and i respect him on what he says, but he does not know whom i am and i dont know him of course, so let it at that ok.

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hehehe, you havent seen the PM she sent me outlining her plans.


its not the adoption thing that im against persey. at one point in history adopting a person was a thing of merit. today its just another thing of whimsy, like a person walking up and asking for an official ndn name and no more important.
this girl is not only not native, shes not even american. shes had this romantic dream of becoming indian since she was 12.
that alone screams to me wannabe but some of the other stuff she mentioned to me in an attempted azz chewing pm cinched it. im not impressed with her as a person or even as a human being as her motives seem to me to be completly ulterior

The creator knows whom i am and it is not a romatic dream, and it is not my fault i was born white and australian and not native american..

But you believe what you want to believe and i respect you for that.

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ive never had vegimite, but from what i understand its a very aquired taste.... i think its some kind of spread
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ive never had vegimite, but from what i understand its a very aquired taste.... i think its some kind of spread
OOHH I was thinkin it was something like V8 juice lol
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hehehe, you havent seen the PM she sent me outlining her plans.


its not the adoption thing that im against persey. at one point in history adopting a person was a thing of merit. today its just another thing of whimsy, like a person walking up and asking for an official ndn name and no more important.
this girl is not only not native, shes not even american. shes had this romantic dream of becoming indian since she was 12.
that alone screams to me wannabe but some of the other stuff she mentioned to me in an attempted azz chewing pm cinched it. im not impressed with her as a person or even as a human being as her motives seem to me to be completly ulterior

I see your point. In that case...flame away....
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I see your point. In that case...flame away....
i dont mean to flame anyone im just voicing my opinion and dismay that such things are being reduced to so much whimsy.
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I Don't How Many Of You Are Cherokee - But I Am. If This Lady Is Going To Be Adopted Into The Tribe, All I Want To Know Is Where It Is Gong To Happen And Who The Elder Is. 'cause Alot Things About The Cherokee Are Taken Out Of A Book Or Stolen From Us ! ! ! I Only Say This 'cause It Has Happened. Some Fool Got Caught Recordin' Cermonial Dances And Songs And Was Tryin' To Sell Them In Ga.
I Just Find It Hard To Believe That This Taking Place. For All I Know The "tribe" Doin' The Adopting May Not Be Legit. I Know That You Can't Schedule Something Like This - There Is More To It Than Just Coming Here And Being Adopted. If You Don't Know What I'm Talking About Then You Don't Need To Be Tryin' To Get Adopted Into Any Tribe! ! !
I Just Don't Understand Why Some People Want To Be Something Their Not. Why Can't You Be Happy With Who You Are? 'cause You Have Ancestors That May Have Done Great Things - So Do Some Research And Find Out And Learn To Be Happy And Accept Who You Are.
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Ok Joe share with me sweets, what is Vegemite?
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"Vegemite is one of several yeast extract spreads sold in Australia. It is made from leftover brewers' yeast extract (a by-product of beer manufacture) and various vegetable and spice additives. It is very dark reddish-brown, almost black, in color, and one of the richest sources known of Vitamin B. It's thick like peanut butter, it's very salty, and it tastes like - well let's just say that it is an acquired taste!" NO, lets' just say it has the consistency (and taste and appearance, of AXLE GREASE!!! but Aussies seem to love it
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YUK JUST USED TO EAT THAT AS A KID, BUT NOW IT GIVE ME A TUMMY ACHE SO NO WAY, AND IT IS AGAINST THE LAW IN USA FROM THIS YEAR TO BRING VEGEMITE OVER

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YUK JUST USED TO EAT THAT AS A KID, BUT NOW IT GIVE ME A TUMMY ACHE SO NO WAY, AND IT IS AGAINST THE LAW IN USA FROM THIS YEAR TO BRING VEGEMITE OVER

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I am not Cherokee, adopted or otherwise, but ndnlady1306 is.

I would be interested to know how you respond to her questions. You've already responded to mine, " Are you ready?". But..... responding to an Anishinaabe is not the same as responding to an actual Cherokee. She has a right to question.
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I Don't How Many Of You Are Cherokee - But I Am. If This Lady Is Going To Be Adopted Into The Tribe, All I Want To Know Is Where It Is Gong To Happen And Who The Elder Is. 'cause Alot Things About The Cherokee Are Taken Out Of A Book Or Stolen From Us ! ! ! I Only Say This 'cause It Has Happened. Some Fool Got Caught Recordin' Cermonial Dances And Songs And Was Tryin' To Sell Them In Ga.
I Just Find It Hard To Believe That This Taking Place. For All I Know The "tribe" Doin' The Adopting May Not Be Legit. I Know That You Can't Schedule Something Like This - There Is More To It Than Just Coming Here And Being Adopted. If You Don't Know What I'm Talking About Then You Don't Need To Be Tryin' To Get Adopted Into Any Tribe! ! !
I Just Don't Understand Why Some People Want To Be Something Their Not. Why Can't You Be Happy With Who You Are? 'cause You Have Ancestors That May Have Done Great Things - So Do Some Research And Find Out And Learn To Be Happy And Accept Who You Are.
Ok at the time in june-August 2005, i was not married then but single ok, and i went with my cherokee finance to his friend who said he was an elder and a storyteller (well i known for a fact that he is in one of the books as a storytell) but as an elder i not sure ok, he was from the wolf clan and he said he would also do a cherokee marriage service over us after we had the legal marriage service and also he would like to adopted me into his family as his daughter may i would not become an cherokee but my finance at the time thought i would be, as he had known this man for over 11 years and was his brother. This man also run the local small sweet lodge.

That is all what happened at the time.

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I Don't How Many Of You Are Cherokee - But I Am. If This Lady Is Going To Be Adopted Into The Tribe, All I Want To Know Is Where It Is Gong To Happen And Who The Elder Is. 'cause Alot Things About The Cherokee Are Taken Out Of A Book Or Stolen From Us ! ! ! I Only Say This 'cause It Has Happened. Some Fool Got Caught Recordin' Cermonial Dances And Songs And Was Tryin' To Sell Them In Ga.
I Just Find It Hard To Believe That This Taking Place. For All I Know The "tribe" Doin' The Adopting May Not Be Legit. I Know That You Can't Schedule Something Like This - There Is More To It Than Just Coming Here And Being Adopted. If You Don't Know What I'm Talking About Then You Don't Need To Be Tryin' To Get Adopted Into Any Tribe! ! !
I Just Don't Understand Why Some People Want To Be Something Their Not. Why Can't You Be Happy With Who You Are? 'cause You Have Ancestors That May Have Done Great Things - So Do Some Research And Find Out And Learn To Be Happy And Accept Who You Are.
Ok at the time in june-August 2005, i was not married then but single ok, and i went with my cherokee finance to his friend who said he was an elder and a storyteller (well i known for a fact that he is in one of the books as a storytell) but as an elder i not sure ok, he was from the wolf clan and he said he would also do a cherokee marriage service over us after we had the legal marriage service and also he would like to adopted me into his family as his daughter may i would not become an cherokee but my finance at the time thought i would be, as he had known this man for over 11 years and was his brother. This man also run the local small sweet lodge.

That is all what happened at the time.

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I Don't How Many Of You Are Cherokee - But I Am. If This Lady Is Going To Be Adopted Into The Tribe, All I Want To Know Is Where It Is Gong To Happen And Who The Elder Is. 'cause Alot Things About The Cherokee Are Taken Out Of A Book Or Stolen From Us ! ! ! I Only Say This 'cause It Has Happened. Some Fool Got Caught Recordin' Cermonial Dances And Songs And Was Tryin' To Sell Them In Ga.
I Just Find It Hard To Believe That This Taking Place. For All I Know The "tribe" Doin' The Adopting May Not Be Legit. I Know That You Can't Schedule Something Like This - There Is More To It Than Just Coming Here And Being Adopted. If You Don't Know What I'm Talking About Then You Don't Need To Be Tryin' To Get Adopted Into Any Tribe! ! !
I Just Don't Understand Why Some People Want To Be Something Their Not. Why Can't You Be Happy With Who You Are? 'cause You Have Ancestors That May Have Done Great Things - So Do Some Research And Find Out And Learn To Be Happy And Accept Who You Are.
Ok at the time in june-August 2005, i was not married then but single ok, and i went with my cherokee finance to his friend who said he was an elder and a storyteller (well i known for a fact that he is in one of the books as a storytell) but as an elder i not sure ok, he was from the wolf clan and he said he would also do a cherokee marriage service over us after we had the legal marriage service and also he would like to adopted me into his family as his daughter may i would not become an cherokee but my finance at the time thought i would be, as he had known this man for over 11 years and was his brother. This man also run the local small sweet lodge.

That is all what happened at the time.

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Old 03-04-2007, 09:22 PM   #40
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it doesn't sound legit to me. i can't stop anyone from doing anything that i think is wrong, so have at it. if it's wrong it will come back on you.
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