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Old 10-03-2008, 12:36 AM   #101
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Well then maybe your "MAN" and his drum group didn't place as high as you or they would have liked!!! LOL. Get over it, you're bitter and nasty and we're all tired of it!!
There has to be something better to talk about than one person's idea of what's "classy"!!!
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Dudes, its been awhile since I got my popcorn and watched the fireworks. How come this was taken and moved from one of main forums anywz. Pretty soon its gonna degenerate to I'm smart you're dumb. All I have to say is I like it when people wear short shorts. Me if I was there I would have been wearing my low rise bikini mesh and it would be flesh colored. AYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have to amend my complaint list for this powwow.. sad to say..
I am mad that I didn't stick around to see those short shorts that everyone is talking about!!!! lol
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How can Middy Logan win !st in Buckskin AND 5th in Cloth??
they are the same person......Middy is her nickname!
wow! your right! if laokie is from L.A. you should ask Middy/Alendra's mom in person! instead of broadcasting on powwow.com
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Well then maybe your "MAN" and his drum group didn't place as high as you or they would have liked!!! LOL. Get over it, you're bitter and nasty and we're all tired of it!!
There has to be something better to talk about than one person's idea of what's "classy"!!!
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wow! your right! if laokie is from L.A. you should ask Middy/Alendra's mom in person! instead of broadcasting on powwow.com
really!!!!!!!!
We are all imperfect beings! Sometimes it is a simple mistake, lapse in judgement what ever..I think the judging in this thread is way over board! You got something to say, go up to that person and say it to their face.
Be nice, I thought we were here to interchange, make friends and keep up with the pow wow life.
This should be a no gouging zone!
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But it's good to get it all out.....I'm taking notes, not that I would wear short shorts but at least I know that people are paying attention out there.
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wow! your right! if laokie is from L.A. you should ask Middy/Alendra's mom in person! instead of broadcasting on powwow.com

Oh don't worry. I intend to, next time I see her. And it was listed in the winners list....I didn't broadcast anything. Just wondering how she could win 1st in one contest and 5th in the other?? THAT is a tabulation error, cause I know for a fact that she only danced/contested in buckskin, so where/how did she accumulate enough points to win in cloth?? THAT is my question, don't really care what she danced in or how she ended up in 2 contests.....just HOW DID SHE WIN IN BOTH?????
But I know her mom well, so I know how she ended up registered in both already.
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Tabulation Error, might not be the right term. Maybe registration error is more correct. When she registered in the second category, someone, including her and her family should have notified the regration people so they could remove her from the other category.

And if there were only 5 dancers registered in the other category, she technically is the 5th place dancer. (even with zero points earned.)

This is just one of those things. If I was working the registration and don't know the girl or her family, I can see this happening. Especially for kids, because it is normal for parents to register thier kids. So I would not know who is who's parents. Trust me this happens alot. A kid will register. Then later the parent come to register everyone in his/her family.
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Well then maybe your "MAN" and his drum group didn't place as high as you or they would have liked!!! LOL. Get over it, you're bitter and nasty and we're all tired of it!!
There has to be something better to talk about than one person's idea of what's "classy"!!!
Why don't you take the criticism and learn from it instead of continuing to right your wrong? The bottom line is that anyone with has WAYS would know that galavanting around an arena in short shorts in inappropriate, especially being on the committee! To be perfectly honest, you probably shouldn't leave your house in shorts, they just don't work for you! LMAO! I've read many of your posts throughout the last few years and you have a tendency to criticise powwows and people yet you can't handle it when the focus is on you. I'm not surprised since you truly believe you are all knowing about powwows and protocol. But guess what, you ask any elder and they will tell you the same thing.

I'm done posting about this craziness. I can't wait to see what you wear at San Manuel. Hopefully, you will heed the advice and wear something more appropriate.
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i was taught to dress appropriately for a powwow....some people liken it to a church-like atmosphere....the dance area...yeah some days its hot as hell and ill wear shorts...but not short shorts..kinda long up to the knee..and sundays people are supposed to dress in their best duds...thats what ive heard anywho...but some people are there to snag..or show off...they want everyone to look at them...probably have some kind of issues...if i had the legs and booty i would wear short shorts...JK...people just dress respectfully of everyone..including elders..
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Tabulation Error, might not be the right term. Maybe registration error is more correct. When she registered in the second category, someone, including her and her family should have notified the regration people so they could remove her from the other category.

And if there were only 5 dancers registered in the other category, she technically is the 5th place dancer. (even with zero points earned.)

This is just one of those things. If I was working the registration and don't know the girl or her family, I can see this happening. Especially for kids, because it is normal for parents to register thier kids. So I would not know who is who's parents. Trust me this happens alot. A kid will register. Then later the parent come to register everyone in his/her family.

That's correct. There was no tabulation error. I didn't really feel like I had to justify LAOKIE's fake complaints about my tabulating, since I knew I didn't make a mistake. There were only 5 dancers in that category when Alendra first registered, then she Re-registered a second time with a different name, she placed 5th by default, yes she had NO contest points, but in the childrens categories some dancers NEVER get contest points and they still place. And since I tabulate using only DANCERS NUMBERS and not their names, I had no idea it was the same person. And I dont know the girl or her family or her nickname, no one in tabulation or registration does, so how would we know that she registered twice. Had she just come up to registration and said, Someone registered me in cloth, I should be in buckskin, we would have changed it.

It comes down to dancers and pow wow participants needing to be honest about their ages, names and categories when they are dancing. We do the tabulating for the contests, but we end up spending a lot of time trying to solve issues where dancers are doing everything they can to make the most money. Believe it or not, we're working FOR The dancers, not against them.

We've implemented a great point system, which virtually eliminates ties, we video tape grand entrys in case we miss a number or a dancer disputes their points, we go back and double check and ask dancers if we think something is off. As far as I know, we are the only tabulation team that works that hard FOR the dancers. We are in the background, talking to the head staff, about contesting that third time, whether to exhibition the dancers for points, how many judges to use, etc. And as everyone knows, our books are wide open for all participants to check after EVERY powwow, with no protest fees EVER. We encourage participants to come look at the points, to get an idea of where they stood and how we added up the points.

THANK YOU to everyone for you unwavering support of me and my team. And I live in AZ-it's HOT, we live in SHORTS almost 9 months of the year. I'll keep wearing them!!! See you all at San Manuel, come say HI, just look for the short shorts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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really!!!!!!!!
We are all imperfect beings! Sometimes it is a simple mistake, lapse in judgement what ever..I think the judging in this thread is way over board! You got something to say, go up to that person and say it to their face.
Be nice, I thought we were here to interchange, make friends and keep up with the pow wow life.
This should be a no gouging zone!
You are ABSOLUTELY right...And I tried that tactic, I sent a private message to a certain person telling them to leave it out and come see me about it AND you can all see where that led. THEN I asked Paul G. If he could do something because this whole thread has dissolved into one personal pot shot and we can still see where that went. SO if the moderator doesn't see fit to quash this BS, then far be it for me to keep quiet, LOL.

It's all just funny now, considering A. they weren't really SHORT shorts, just plain old shorts and B. I wasn't the person wearing them and C. I will probably wear shorts again at San Manuel, unless it snows like it did two years ago, LOL!!!! If I try hard enough, I might be able to get the whole staff in SHORTS for one session, just to prove a point, LOL>>>
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I live in AZ....................and i don't wear shorts 9 months out of the year.......so don't speak for me.........thank you and have a nice day.
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I live in AZ....................and i don't wear shorts 9 months out of the year.......so don't speak for me.........thank you and have a nice day.
Hey Bro, I hate to think of what you wear underneath your pants if you don't wear shorts!!
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dude, why would you want to think of what I'm wearing under my pants???.....that's why you took those pictures!!!!.....LOL!!!!.....





but if you must know...................i go commando..............LOL!!!!!
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but if you must know...................i go commando..............LOL!!!!!
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dude, why would you want to think of what I'm wearing under my pants???.....that's why you took those pictures!!!!.....LOL!!!!.....





but if you must know...................i go commando..............LOL!!!!!

*Giggle* I heard that about you!!!
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dude, why would you want to think of what I'm wearing under my pants???.....that's why you took those pictures!!!!.....LOL!!!!.....





but if you must know...................i go commando..............LOL!!!!!
Just do us all a favor, don't wear Short Shorts with NO shorts under, especially if you're singing at the drum, LOL!!!
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