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Old 11-09-2004, 09:57 PM   #21
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I'd just like to address a few things:

1) There were just under 60 dancers who registered to dance. I have no idea where these other numbers like "150" are coming from. I have the dancer registration logs and no way does it add up to 150. I'm not sure why the rumor started several weeks ago that there were a hundred dancers registered, but I can assure you that it is not true.

That would really be something!

Unfortunately, the pre-registrations that came in were lost due to a technical snafu.

From what some friends of mine have told me (who are far more experienced with organizing powwows than I am), though, having as many dancers as we did show up for this first annual powwow is quite an acheivement... especially considering that a lot of first time powwows around here are luckly to have a dozen dancers show up.

2) I sincerely apologize that Friday night there was no water placed out for the dancers.

The staff did put out water for dancers on Saturday (it was in two locations-- in a large blue cooler next to the drum arbor and there were other cases of water put out just to the side of it), but unfortunately, from what I'm hearing, some dancers got the water, and for some reason, others didn't know about it. At no time would we have advised anyone to go get water from a water fountain. If this happened to you, please e-mail me and describe the person or name the person who told you this so we can deal with that.

3) There was a $5.00 dancer registration fee for the whole weekend. (For adults... for teenagers it would have been $4.00 for little kids it would have been free.) This was done because all of the dancer registration money was supposed to go into one "pot" so to speak to be doled out all weekend for dancer raffles. This should have been explained to each dancer when the registered. If it wasn't explained to you, I apologize.

Now... let me say this about the raffles. I'm looking into this right now. I know how much was set aside for numbers to be called, but I'm getting mixed reports as to how many raffle drawings the MC did and whether all the money was claimed.

If anyone can offer me any information on this, I encourage you to please, please e-mail me or PM me. We would like to find out who all of the raffle winners were and make sure they were all able to claim their money.
The only dancers I'm aware of who complained about the registration fee were friends of the MC, or at least claimed to be with him. These individuals protested and we happily refunded their money. It was not our intention to upset anyone with this. We wanted to be able to have day money drawings for the dancers who were there, but were not sure how much money could be set aside from the money going towards paying for everything else for the powwow (drums, MC, head man dancer, etc.) so it seemed the fairest way to handle this would be to simply have the dancers pay a small registration fee and that would cover them for the weekend and give them a chance to win $40 during each of several drawings.

If anyone else was upset about the dancer registration fee and this caused such discontent, I really wish any of these individuals would have made it a point to speak with myself or one of the other event organizers about this. It would have been no problem for you to get your $5 back.

We did our best to address anyone who brought their concerns to us. The individuals admitting people into the powwow and registering dancers were only following the directions they had been given as to what to do.

4) I agree. There were too many vendors at this event, but that was done intentionally.

We are not personally familiar with all of the vendors, (many were sent to us by the MC) but we allowed a large number of vendors to come to showcase their wares at this first event so we could better determine who we will be inviting back next year.

We have received very positive feedback from the vast majority of the vendors who were there. I think the ones who were complaining were perhaps disappointed because they didn't do very well due to the great amount of competition. Some of this probably has to do with quality versus prices of merchandise. There were 2 or 3 vendors who packed up and left Saturday night. One can only guess as to why they left.

There were a few vendors who we donated spaces to. One was the Dine' mother of a young woman stationed at Camp Lejeune. Another was an Indian Vet and activist when it comes to POW/MIA issues. There were a few others as well.

I can assure you that next year there will be less vendors. We only want people involved with this powwow who WANT to be involved with it and who think it's striving to serve a good purpose. In the future, we only want vendors with high quality, reasonably priced merchandise.

I would encourage anyone who has constructive criticism about how this event could be made better next year to please submit them to me via e-mail or PM.

So far, we've gotten back far more positive feedback than negative... and most of the negative seems to be coming from one corner of the room, so-to-speak.

5) Regarding the Arena Director not always being available. I'm not sure what happened there. The MC had told me that he had someone who would be there to assist the Arena Director we had (who is an elder & veteran who volunteered for the post), but perhaps that person wsa unavailable.

On a very positive note, there will be a lot of new things to look forward to next year...

We'll have a whole new head staff next year. I'm getting some good suggestions for MCs, drums, etc.

A couple of the guys from Cedartree have offered their encouragement and advice as far as planning things next year. We've also had lots of encouragement here locally from some individuals who've also made some good suggestions.

It's likely that this powwow will be held on base at Camp Lejeune next year... because the Marines were so happy with how it turned out. In particular the Sgt Major (I think that's his rank) in charge of the musem over on base (He is Mohawk.) He was a huge help in getting some of the technical issues that came up taken care of.

We have received a number of e-mails and phone calls all weekend and since yesterday and today from Veterans and active duty military families thanking us for this powwow.

I just want to say, on the contrary. We want to thank them for giving us something to celebrate.
Sara,

This is John Blackfeather. I’m not using a code name.

Now I don’t search on the internet, but I got some calls.

When you and your momma Theresa Morris called and asked me to help get this pow wow together I told you fine. You both came to my house and we sat in the shed and you brought your baby.

I gave you what I had to help you to do a pow wow. I gave you names of vendors. I sat there with you along with a drum representative and Doug Logan… your head man dancer. I gave you an estimate…a total of $5000 to include a drum, an arena director, head man dancer, a head lady dancer, hotel rooms for staff and $25 per dancer for the first 25 dancers for 3 days. This also included demonstrators for 5 stations for school day. I have a copy of the budget and I gave your momma a copy of it too. You took the information I gave you and did what you wanted with it.

Your momma said that the tourism board would help her get the money to do the pow wow and I told her that after she pays all her bills, takes care of all her expenses if she wanted to give me an honorarium if she had money left that would be fine. I told her I had a 40-hour a week job….I don’t need any money, this is my culture. Your momma offered me the $1,000.00. She insisted on paying that amount and I declined it twice. But she wanted me to have it because of the work I was doing.

Sara, I wouldn’t expect you to think anything else but that the pow wow was great. I don’t expect anything less.

Don’t refer to me as your MC, I told you that I wasn’t the MC…I am a representative of the people.

I have nothing to say about you telling lies, cause you have to live with that.

I enjoyed being in the circle…the dancers and the drums were very good.

You can have your $1000.00 back if you need it just call me.

Remember, if you're driving a Volkswagon and decide to buy a Cadillac Escalade, then you gotta pay the notes.

If anyone wishes to talk to me go to my website www.tipofthefeather.com my phone number is in the upper left hand corner.

This is the last you’ll hear of me about this. I’m not gonna to gossip on the internet.


Sincerely,
John Blackfeather

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Old 11-09-2004, 10:00 PM   #22
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On a positive note, I'm posting the "Thank Yous" that we put up on the powwow website today. There were so many who just really added so much to this event. We're deeply grateful:

The first annual Great Salt Water Powwow was most definitely a success! It was a learning experience as well. We'd like to thank everyone who celebrated the joys and patiently suffered through the "growing pains" of this first-time event with us.

In particular, there are a few individuals who voluntarily gave so much of themselves to assist at the event, and we humbly recognize that without their contributions, we would not have been able to pull it all together.

Jeanette Gardner, John Ipock & Sarah, Theresa Carter, Tanya Queiro, Mary Sue Ipock, and a very, very special thank you goes to Phil Molloy and the entire Onslow County SIRT (Rita, Matt, David, everyone!) for giving themselves 'round the clock and doing everything within their humanly power to make sure that everyone's needs were met.
Matthew Chavis: Thank you for coming in on Sunday and offering inspiration for those who took the time to listen... and for your kind words of encouragement.

We'd like to thank the dancers who came and gave it their all.

We'd like to thank the host drums for singing hard and keeping the dancers inspired.

Thank you to Eastern Bull for coming from Greenville and singing as Local Host Drum. To Joey Crutchfield: thank you for your kindness & patience as we worked out the hotel confusion. To Chana Smith: thank you for coming and singing your heart out despite having a father in the hospital. He'll be in our prayers.

To Kenny Scabbyrobe & Family: Having Black Lodge as Northern Host Drum at this first annual powwow will forever be a source of pride & gratitude for everyone who had the privilege of being there and hearing you sing. We are grateful to you for coming all the way out to North Carolina and for being so kind and patient with us as we worked out the kinks at this first powwow. Your dignified & peaceful disposition throughout the weekend was a source of comfort to us all.

To Michael Rose & Cedartree: You are one of the best Southern drums out there... that's no secret. What a privilege to have you as Southern Host Drum at this powwow! We thank you for coming the distance to be here, for offering so many kind words of encouragement, and for demonstrating such patience throughout the technical "snafus" of this first-time event. A special thank you to Ron Gibson for his beautiful and heartfelt words of prayer on Sunday morning.

And to everyone else who demonstrated kindness and patience and encouragement to us throughout the weekend, please know that we are forever grateful.

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Old 11-09-2004, 10:14 PM   #23
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I think the best part of the weekend was the singing. It was good to have KTNjrs on Friday and Lost Boys on Saturday. I think Cedar Tree and Blacklodge was off the hook. Eastern Bull had their normal weekend,...some songs were on and in tune while others were off and out of sink.

I thought it was very admirable for Kenny to pull up a chair to sing w/ Cedar Tree on the intertribals. But more particularly on those Gourd Songs. He should really switch to Southern...lmao

I thought Eastern Bull got the biggest compliment ever when one of the young gentlemen from Blacklodge pulled up a chair on one of Eastern Bulls new songs and he even kicked out a lead. Very Interesting!

Kenny and the gang even got mad props from three of the Cedar Tree Singers when they kicked out a Kiowa song that was later whistled! Talk about Feel Good!

The Head Lady was blessed w/ a 1 on 1 Honoring when Cedar Tree sang a very prominent Gourd Song b/c of her military status and her uncle Kenneth's Song. She was very touched to hear Cedar Tree sing it for her.

Thats my two cents worth...the stuff most people don't see or understand...just to start off w/ the positive notes.

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Old 11-09-2004, 10:38 PM   #24
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Two more things... Dancers who pre-registered online weren't issued numbers online. If there are dancers you know who claimed to have registration numbers that were printed out from an online pre-registration, then I can assure you that registration wasn't done through our website. Numbers weren't issued until dancers arrived onsite.

And another thing... the rescue squad had water that WE purchased and they WERE part of our staff. They were a volunteer staff. They gave their time and energy to this powwow and didn't ask for a dime in return. They were verbally abused and barked at by some individuals under the arbor and we will remember that when it comes time to hire folks in the years to come.

One woman, in particular, who was spoken to in a very ugly way, is an older Cherokee woman who actually spent the night out there in the SIRT Vehicle along with a couple of other SIRT team members to make sure that there was always someone onsite in case anyone had a need.

The Coastal Carolina Indian Center is making a generous donation to the SIRT team for helping out with this event. Many of the individuals on that team are our friends in the community.


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On a side note, I think it's relevant to point out that "mortonkid" is a Jeffries. I'm just wondering if that's any relation to John "Blackfeather" Jeffries.

What I'm wondering is why is it that the only people we heard complaints from over the weekend (and there was a steady stream of it) were all associated with the MC?

I would think that people associated with the MC would be particularly understanding of the fact that this is a first time event and there are bound to be bumps in the road.
And your point is......what?

Doesn't change the fact that what happened, happened does it?

And since there were about 25 vendors at your pow wow who have been at several pow wows that the MC has organized and still continue to travel to those pow wows for the last few years is a testament to his expertise.

And since you brought it up.....it was certainly more than a "handful" of them that weren't happy with the way they were treated wasn't it?

Bumps??? Let's see....charging dancers to dance, no water for the drum or the dancers, no lights for night dancing. Whew! If those are bumps, I'd hate to see the mountains....
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Okay, I'm going to calm down here. Fine. Nothing is perfect, especially the first time around. Mistakes are bound to happen. But these weren't minor, little things that would slip through the cracks because people get busy. These are major elements of a pow wow that anyone who organizes a pow wow should know about (especially if you were given a checklist to go by). There are other issues but I think I've gotten my point across. And finally....there's a way you deal with people who are at your pow wow to help you make it a success. And the bottom line is....there were certain things in relation to vendors, dancers and the drums that should and shouldn't of happened. Instead of making excuses and shoving off your responsibility on others....you might consider taking ownership of your actions and take responsibility.

Thank you.

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Another problem that I noticed about this Powwow, was that I personally think that it was schedule at a wrong time. Becuase it conflicted with serval other well established powwows, ie Stone Mountain. I don't know if that could be changed or if it would even be changed, or if it would even make a difference.
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Old 11-09-2004, 11:25 PM   #27
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Okay, I'm going to calm down here. Fine. Nothing is perfect, especially the first time around. Mistakes are bound to happen. But these weren't minor, little things that would slip through the cracks because people get busy. These are major elements of a pow wow that anyone who organizes a pow wow should know about (especially if you were given a checklist to go by). There are other issues but I think I've gotten my point across. And finally....there's a way you deal with people who are at your pow wow to help you make it a success. And the bottom line is....there were certain things in relation vendors, dancers and the drums that should and shouldn't of happened. Instead of making excuses and shoving off your responsibility on others....you might consider taking ownership of your actions and take responsibility.

Thank you.
Listen... I can understand you feeling worked up about things. Particularly if everyone went back to the hotel after the first night and had a big ol' gossip-fest of sorts (and all I mean by that is that the folks who all came to the powwow together sitting around and rehashing the day-- and I am NOT implying that everyone who did this is a "gossip").

People tend to start piling on and instead of trying to see the positive things that came out of the day or the weekend, they chose to focus on the negative ones.

One positive was that on Friday, over 2000 school kids came and learned things about the Natives of North Carolina that they never knew before. They also got to hear what the Dine' language sounds like a little bit... and they learned about what powwow drums sound like and what some of the dances were. They were able to visit all the different vendors and see the Outer Banks Wildlife Shelter staff talk about the different wildlife that's native to this region.

That night, despite the fact that we had some problems with the lighting (largely thanks to the fact that we just simply underestimated the amount of lighting that would need to be brought in by the Marines and it took about an hour to get that situation remedied) and a blown speaker, the powwow still got off to a good start.

For the first time ever Black Lodge and Cedartree played together on eastern NC soil. That might not be a big deal to some of you, but I'm humble enough to realize what great drums these are and to know that it was a special privilege for us to have these two drums as host drums for our first powwow. Despite some travel difficulties and everything else, our singers made it to the powwow safely and they all sounded great. That is a blessing.

On Saturday, some very special guests were honored, including one of my personal heros, Rick Dove -- the first Neuse Riverkeeper. I imagine the majority of the people on here have no idea who he is, but those of us from eastern NC are well aware of his years of dedication to protecting the Neuse River-- which is really like the sacred, lifeblood of my ancestors and of all of eastern NC. For more information on him, visit this website: http://www.time.com/time/reports/env...k_dove,00.html or this website http://www.neuseriver.org/ .

I just think there were so many more things about this powwow that were positive rather than negative, I can't see why anyone would want to spend time on trying to find fault or just sit back in critcism of the event.

We were trying to do a good thing... and we'll try to do an even better thing next year.

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By the way, Lovlie1 asked who the Cherokee woman was who was disrespected. She wasn't a dancer, she was part of the SIRT team who volunteered there at the event. I don't think I should mention her name here because I have not asked her permission to do so, nor do I think it's relevant to the topic. The point is, she is just one of a number of individuals who volunteered their time who were spoken to in a less than polite way during the course of the powwow-- by people who really should have known better.
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I think the best part of the weekend was the singing. It was good to have KTNjrs on Friday and Lost Boys on Saturday. I think Cedar Tree and Blacklodge was off the hook. Eastern Bull had their normal weekend,...some songs were on and in tune while others were off and out of sink.

I thought it was very admirable for Kenny to pull up a chair to sing w/ Cedar Tree on the intertribals. But more particularly on those Gourd Songs. He should really switch to Southern...lmao

I thought Eastern Bull got the biggest compliment ever when one of the young gentlemen from Blacklodge pulled up a chair on one of Eastern Bulls new songs and he even kicked out a lead. Very Interesting!

Kenny and the gang even got mad props from three of the Cedar Tree Singers when they kicked out a Kiowa song that was later whistled! Talk about Feel Good!

The Head Lady was blessed w/ a 1 on 1 Honoring when Cedar Tree sang a very prominent Gourd Song b/c of her military status and her uncle Kenneth's Song. She was very touched to hear Cedar Tree sing it for her.

Thats my two cents worth...the stuff most people don't see or understand...just to start off w/ the positive notes.

LSS
Looks like LSS gets it! Things that happen around the drums are the most important things that happen at a pow wow and usually the least understood. If a dance has good singing, it can't be all that bad.

To the committee: sounds like you had a bumpy start...well, learn from it. Next year, get good singers there again and try to be more hospitable. Don't charge people to dance! Don't even charge a gate fee! Invite everyone and make everyone feel like you'd like to feel at a pow wow - welcome.
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I think the best part of the weekend was the singing. It was good to have KTNjrs on Friday and Lost Boys on Saturday. I think Cedar Tree and Blacklodge was off the hook. Eastern Bull had their normal weekend,...some songs were on and in tune while others were off and out of sink.

I thought it was very admirable for Kenny to pull up a chair to sing w/ Cedar Tree on the intertribals. But more particularly on those Gourd Songs. He should really switch to Southern...lmao

I thought Eastern Bull got the biggest compliment ever when one of the young gentlemen from Blacklodge pulled up a chair on one of Eastern Bulls new songs and he even kicked out a lead. Very Interesting!


Kenny and the gang even got mad props from three of the Cedar Tree Singers when they kicked out a Kiowa song that was later whistled! Talk about Feel Good!

The Head Lady was blessed w/ a 1 on 1 Honoring when Cedar Tree sang a very prominent Gourd Song b/c of her military status and her uncle Kenneth's Song. She was very touched to hear Cedar Tree sing it for her.

Thats my two cents worth...the stuff most people don't see or understand...just to start off w/ the positive notes.

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I think the Great Salt Water Powwow was pretty good. To me, it wasn't any different from any other powwow except that we were fortunate enough to have Black Lodge there. The Drums sounded great and EasternBull sounded better than they ever have before. Cedar Tree was okay, some songs sounded okay and some of them didn't. Don't think they were all that great. Overall, I don't think any drum out sang the other. BlackLodge was off the hook though and again EasternBull was jamming. Keep up the good work guys, you're getting better all the time.

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Hold up BigTyme! Cedar Tree was still good though, what do you mean they were not all that? A friend of mine said that EB was good, and it was good to have all 3 Drums there. They all complimented one another. Every Drum has a moment every now and then.
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Listen... I can understand you feeling worked up about things. Particularly if everyone went back to the hotel after the first night and had a big ol' gossip-fest of sorts (and all I mean by that is that the folks who all came to the powwow together sitting around and rehashing the day-- and I am NOT implying that everyone who did this is a "gossip").

People tend to start piling on and instead of trying to see the positive things that came out of the day or the weekend, they chose to focus on the negative ones.

One positive was that on Friday, over 2000 school kids came and learned things about the Natives of North Carolina that they never knew before. They also got to hear what the Dine' language sounds like a little bit... and they learned about what powwow drums sound like and what some of the dances were. They were able to visit all the different vendors and see the Outer Banks Wildlife Shelter staff talk about the different wildlife that's native to this region.

That night, despite the fact that we had some problems with the lighting (largely thanks to the fact that we just simply underestimated the amount of lighting that would need to be brought in by the Marines and it took about an hour to get that situation remedied) and a blown speaker, the powwow still got off to a good start.

For the first time ever Black Lodge and Cedartree played together on eastern NC soil. That might not be a big deal to some of you, but I'm humble enough to realize what great drums these are and to know that it was a special privilege for us to have these two drums as host drums for our first powwow. Despite some travel difficulties and everything else, our singers made it to the powwow safely and they all sounded great. That is a blessing.

On Saturday, some very special guests were honored, including one of my personal heros, Rick Dove -- the first Neuse Riverkeeper. I imagine the majority of the people on here have no idea who he is, but those of us from eastern NC are well aware of his years of dedication to protecting the Neuse River-- which is really like the sacred, lifeblood of my ancestors and of all of eastern NC. For more information on him, visit this website: http://www.time.com/time/reports/env...k_dove,00.html or this website http://www.neuseriver.org/ .

I just think there were so many more things about this powwow that were positive rather than negative, I can't see why anyone would want to spend time on trying to find fault or just sit back in critcism of the event.

We were trying to do a good thing... and we'll try to do an even better thing next year.

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By the way, Lovlie1 asked who the Cherokee woman was who was disrespected. She wasn't a dancer, she was part of the SIRT team who volunteered there at the event. I don't think I should mention her name here because I have not asked her permission to do so, nor do I think it's relevant to the topic. The point is, she is just one of a number of individuals who volunteered their time who were spoken to in a less than polite way during the course of the powwow-- by people who really should have known better.
There were many people (drums, dancers and vendors) who were upset pretty much from the beginning. "People" did not pile things on...it got off on bad footing and got worse as the weekend wore on.

Blacklodge and Cedar Tree are great drums and it was an honor having them at the pow wow. But Eastern Bull was there too and its disturbing to me how you manage to fail to mention them again and again.

I can recognize the positive aspects of the pow wow. However, I cannot overlook the inherent issues that affected the people involved who came to contribute to the pow wow's success. The organizers were disrespectful and inconsiderate to these people and quite frankly you owe them an apology.
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I went to this powwow on Sunday. I was overwhelmed by the amount of vendors (craft & food). I heard many complaints from new and old friends about many things that had happened throughout the week-end. I can however sympathize with Sara and Theresa on this project. It is no easy task to organize an event of this magnitude and not have problems arise. I have several suggestions for Sara:
1) Is to limit your food vendors to no more than 2
2) Limit your craft vendors to no more than 20 and refuse any after the deadline to have aps in and make sure the vendors you do get are not dealing in the same thing, try variety
3) This I think is the most important: Never change the plan after the event is to take place. Always be up front with everyone as there are some who will take it to the max of slamming your powwow! Been there and have had it happen!!

I have dealt with John in the past and to say he insisted on $1000 for his time is UNBELIVEABLE!! He has never charged a fee that I am aware of and only takes a donation.

I would like to know where in Oklahoma the headlady was from and how she can say she was not expecting any kind of monetary return for her services. She is a RARE breed of Native American left if she didn't expect something. I like her, see all the political levels of powwows in NC and have not had one experience where anyone asked to participate didn't expect something in return. They say it isn't about the money but it is about their livelyhood, they do the dancing for a living($$$$)!!

Finally, HATS OFF to Theresa for having a dream and trying to make it a reality!! If in fact you try again next year, GOOD LUCK!
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I went to this powwow on Sunday. I was overwhelmed by the amount of vendors (craft & food). I heard many complaints from new and old friends about many things that had happened throughout the week-end. I can however sympathize with Sara and Theresa on this project. It is no easy task to organize an event of this magnitude and not have problems arise. I have several suggestions for Sara:
1) Is to limit your food vendors to no more than 2
2) Limit your craft vendors to no more than 20 and refuse any after the deadline to have aps in and make sure the vendors you do get are not dealing in the same thing, try variety
3) This I think is the most important: Never change the plan after the event is to take place. Always be up front with everyone as there are some who will take it to the max of slamming your powwow! Been there and have had it happen!!

I have dealt with John in the past and to say he insisted on $1000 for his time is UNBELIVEABLE!! He has never charged a fee that I am aware of and only takes a donation.

I would like to know where in Oklahoma the headlady was from and how she can say she was not expecting any kind of monetary return for her services. She is a RARE breed of Native American left if she didn't expect something. I like her, see all the political levels of powwows in NC and have not had one experience where anyone asked to participate didn't expect something in return. They say it isn't about the money but it is about their livelyhood, they do the dancing for a living($$$$)!!

Finally, HATS OFF to Theresa for having a dream and trying to make it a reality!! If in fact you try again next year, GOOD LUCK!
Did you read John Blackfeather's letter in an earlier post? He tells it all right there.
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I went to this powwow on Sunday. I was overwhelmed by the amount of vendors (craft & food). I heard many complaints from new and old friends about many things that had happened throughout the week-end. I can however sympathize with Sara and Theresa on this project. It is no easy task to organize an event of this magnitude and not have problems arise. I have several suggestions for Sara:
1) Is to limit your food vendors to no more than 2
2) Limit your craft vendors to no more than 20 and refuse any after the deadline to have aps in and make sure the vendors you do get are not dealing in the same thing, try variety
3) This I think is the most important: Never change the plan after the event is to take place. Always be up front with everyone as there are some who will take it to the max of slamming your powwow! Been there and have had it happen!!

I have dealt with John in the past and to say he insisted on $1000 for his time is UNBELIVEABLE!! He has never charged a fee that I am aware of and only takes a donation.

I would like to know where in Oklahoma the headlady was from and how she can say she was not expecting any kind of monetary return for her services. She is a RARE breed of Native American left if she didn't expect something. I like her, see all the political levels of powwows in NC and have not had one experience where anyone asked to participate didn't expect something in return. They say it isn't about the money but it is about their livelyhood, they do the dancing for a living($$$$)!!

Finally, HATS OFF to Theresa for having a dream and trying to make it a reality!! If in fact you try again next year, GOOD LUCK!
Great suggestions you gave them. But they received those very suggestions in the planning stages from John. And you can see what they did with it.
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Yes, I read Johns reply. Yes, I have known of his suggestions since they met back the first of the year and no they did not use them. I thought maybe if the same suggestions came from more than one person that maybe they would believe them to be best for them and use them next time. I have one question maybe someone can answer: I was under the impression that this powwow was being sponsored by the Onslow County Arts Council and that grants had been applied for and received, what happened to that funding? There should have been enough there to have coveredall the expenses and then some for next year along with more grants. Just another "rumor" I had heard I suppose.
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It may be!

On a positive note! Things will only get better next year, from the things experienced this year! Don't hold hard feelings against one another. First time events are always alittle rocky.
Have a great day everyone! Ps.. Hi Sewickly and J. Blackfeather :Wave
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Yes, I read Johns reply. Yes, I have known of his suggestions since they met back the first of the year and no they did not use them. I thought maybe if the same suggestions came from more than one person that maybe they would believe them to be best for them and use them next time. I have one question maybe someone can answer: I was under the impression that this powwow was being sponsored by the Onslow County Arts Council and that grants had been applied for and received, what happened to that funding? There should have been enough there to have coveredall the expenses and then some for next year along with more grants. Just another "rumor" I had heard I suppose.
According to the website and flyers it was sponsored by Coastal Carolina Indian Center (whoever that might be). I don't recall anyone speaking on their behalf at the pow wow. And when the "thank yous" were being done the tourism board wasn't even mentioned. There is no mention or have I heard that Onslow County Arts Council having any connection with the pow wow at all. IF the tourism board or the arts council did indeed contribute to the funding of the pow wow....its a tremendous oversight to overlook them and not thank them publicly. Again, I'm not even sure any representatives from either organization was even there.

But it would certainly explain why things happened the way they did if the organizers were banking on the gate proceeds to pay for everything. I mean if outside organizations were generous enough to provide any kind of funding wouldn't you at least thank them at the pow wow and honor them for their generosity?

Just a thought...

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