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Old 06-14-2012, 11:48 AM   #1
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My Red Earth Powwow 2012 experience.

Red Earth Powwow 2012

This year, my family decided to make a list of a powwows we had never attended and Red Earth made the cut. THUNDER had nothing to do with it of course...ahem!

Oklahoma City is a beautiful city, this writer had only been there once before, many years ago attending a business meeting, and I was anxious to revisit it again and enjoy the hospitality of it's people. Pulling into the area of Cox Arena, we noticed long lines of people waiting to get in to the Red Earth Powwow, and we were excited.

Finding parking on that first day proved to be a bit of a pricey challenge as we ended up parking across the street for the price of $7.00 for the day, a cost we thought was not a problem. Towing all our belongings along with a rambuncous 4 year old was the real challenge, as he insisted on taking his Iron Man clad teddy bear along with all our other gear but we managed, as we often do.

I had my family sit at the entry way so I could go get tickets for the weekend. There were about 4 lines of people waiting to get to the ticket counter, some lines were moving faster than others and the line I was in was...the other. With Grand Entry fast approaching, I texted my family to get ready to run as I was almost to the ticket window...when the ticket lady excused herself to use the bathroom, or something...either way, she was gone for what seemed like a life time...it was 5 minutes.

Being a patient person for the most part, I did feel a bit perturbed that she would choose this particular moment to leave with so many people waiting to get in, and some of them dancers. Surely they could have had a seperate line for dancers/singers for without them, there would be no powwow right? Or the least she could do was wear an Attends for the time she had to be there.

Finally, I am almost there, and the lady in front of me decided she doesn't want tickets for Saturday or Sunday and askes to have her tickets exchanged for today...another wait...5 minutes...I'm tapping my foot...in time to the sound of grand entry drums.

I finally get to the window and the lady who has been painfully slow..but also very sweet asks for my last name. What? Why does she want my last name? I give her my maiden name which I haven't used in eons, and she smiles and slowly gets me my weekend tickets. $20 per adult for the weekend, kids 6 and under free. I've paid similar prices at other powwows so I accepted it without argument.

I run. Which I don't do but am now doing...to get to my family so they can make grand entry.

I give my family their tickets and tell them to run!!! But wait...all our luggage must be opened and examined and for a moment I'm thinking my family will miss their flight!! No wait, this is a powwow. Dancers needing to get to Grand Entry, and they want to examine the contents of the luggage. Yes, this happened.

After that part is done, my family bolts to make it to Grand Entry but I am detained. My purse must be examined, and my grandson's juice must be tossed as NO OUTSIDE food or drink are allowed which can only mean...everything inside will cost an arm and a leg which I have already exhausted.

After that is done, I give them MY ticket but then they ask for my grandson's ticket. He's 4 years old. Children 6 and under don't pay which is something they should have known but apparently...didn't.

They call the front desk and I can hear someone answering with a resounding confident..."I don't know either."

I am chuckling, not a I am happy to be here kind of chuckle but the kind that borders on maniacal, and I am remembering the HUGE sign at the ticket office with the prices for the age groups...and I wait.

I try to be patient and understanding right. They have a job to do, I just wish they were all on the same page while doing it.

We finally get in, my family has made grand entry not without breaking a sweat to register first but they make it. Registration cost $20 dollars a person by the way. This is unreal.

A lot of powwow people are not rich; I know I'm not. I think about some families who have maybe 4 or 5 dancers in the family, they're paying at least 100 dollars to get in, and another $80 to $100 to register, and they haven't even danced yet.

They've already spent at least 200 dollars plus the parking fee, and the gas to get there which is probably around another 200 dollars depending on where you're coming in from, plus your room for the weekend.

Food and drink was another challenge to deal with. One of the announcers made a joke saying it would be cheaper to go to Starbucks across town to get a cup of coffee then to pay for one there in the arena.

Having said this, there were some delicious food to be had. The 3Sisters food stand, Grandma's Indian Taco Stand, the baked spud stand were all must try places. For the price, it was good eats. And while you were eating, you could be entertained with beautiful music played by Arvel Bird on his violins and flutes. To warm up, I would come down to the food court, have a coffee, and relax with the sounds he presented. Loved it!

Yes, I said to warm up. The arena was freezing. People pulled out their blankets and coats to keep warm. Visitors, dressed for the sweltering heat outside, would come in, sit for a little while and then leave, shivering as they did. Having spent a lot of money already to be there, I toughed it out.

I wasn't used to announcers having to pay for their food while working, really, I'm not. A lot of powwows I've been to would provide some free meals in return for announcing their business. Makes sense right, and it's just a sign of respect.

The announcers, and the drums keep the powwow moving with their stories and songs, they entertain the crowds, encourage the dancers, make fun of one another, why not bring them some free coffee or a sandwich every now and then? Just my two cents on that one.

Were there any positives? Oh yes!!

The dancers themselves were of the highest caliber. I thorougly enjoyed the various tribal presentations with the music and dances, and I thank them for their beauty. My favorite was the Champions of Champions fancy dance competition. Although I didn't stay for the announcement of winners in this category, I was greatly appreciative of their dance moves. You Tube has a few videos showcasing this event, and I encourage you to go take a look.

The other thing that deeply touched my heart was the Snake Dance presented towards the end of the powwow. The meaning of leaving the past behind as the dancers crossed the metaphorical river meant a lot to me. Families who also felt as I did stood, and cheered their loved ones on as they danced to the river, then jumped over. I say thank you for this presentation, I shall never forget it.

Would I return to this powwow again? Most likely not, at least not right away. It will take me a few years of saving some money before I make another venture to this event.

~For what it's worth~

I am JB Sanders - Hunkpapa Lakota
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:08 PM   #2
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Yeah, Red Earth has changed since the last time I went a few years back. In the 90's, they used to have the top 10 drums in Indian country. More contest places, split categories, some refreshments for the dancers.

It might be on its last legs, remember when RE had over 1000 to 1500 dancers. It was one of the top powwows on the circuit. A good mix of northern dancers & southern dancers would be there.

The reason they checked bags for outside drinks & food. They took my gatorade, probably kept it & drank it. Had to hide my Sonic food, the next day. Got it in without incident. Really didn't enjoy the climbing stairs, as well as havingonly 1 entry way to get in.

So, you double paid for registration & tickets, if you're a dancer. Just had to go to the registration, dancer pays their $20, got a wristband. That was your ticket, then bought extra wristbands for 2 others for my mom & dad.

We were in a rush as well on friday, barely made it ourselves for grand entry. It was enjoyable, but it has changed. Potowatomi PW in Mayetta, Kansas was going on at the same time. That's why there wasn't as many dancers as there.

It did have good singing & dancing, so it was enjoyable to us, despite the hassles.
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There was a lot we didn't know going in. The double paying...the powwow officials should have made that known to us. A friend of the family came for a session and went away feeling anger and sadness for how it had changed. We won't return for it. At least not for a few years, if in that time it has vastly improved...??
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I opted for the Prairie Band PowWow this year over Red Earth because my mom and I had some difficulty with the bureaucracy of Red Earth in recent years passed. For instance, the last time I was there, it was difficult just to get up and down in the stands because they had half of the staircases blocked off. There were certain entrances we couldn't go in or out of for some vip security reasons or some other made up thing. I spent most of the time running in circles. Then there was an incident with this very elderly woman who was there to sing with one of the drums and they wouldn't let her in. I couldn't believe the way this poor granny was getting hassled. She didn't understand why she was having to give them lots of money she didn't have. I did a very bad thing and got my wrist bracelet off, had her put it on to go in, then my mom passed it back to me once she was in. sneaky sneaky oops. <.< lol But all she did was sit in a chair and sing. Does she really need to pay $20 to do that? (Actually I think it cost more back then).

I was also having wicked blood sugar issues there and in the past they had had fruit and water for the dancers but not anymore. Only few food vendors were open for some reason (they do have some good ones when they are actually being manned), but none of which had anything like fruit. Apparently, they had provided a hoard of apples and water to the vendors... one of which was nice enough to share with me... but not to people participating in the powwow. I guess it’s not a big deal and I really shouldn’t come to expect things like that but it’s similar to what you mentioned with announcers having to pay for their food. It's only an issue for me because not allowing outside food means I can’t have my ExtendBars or Glucerna Bars so it’s not like there are many options. Worrying about the health of one’s guests certainly does interfere with profit margins, I guess!

In the past, I was also confused with the interesting order in which they were lining us up for grand entry as they changed it from day to day. I kinda thought there was only one way to do it... but apparently not!

The part that made my mom so angry that she wouldn’t go back was when she was trying to stand at one of the entrances (hallway gate things) to the arena floor to watch me dance, hand me water in between dances, and take a few pictures of me to send to my sis who couldn’t be there. She stood there largely because to go sit down in the stands which were closed off from the arena floor, she would have to go back out into the outside corridors, go up an escalator (which was usually turned off), then re-enter the arena through upstairs entrances. It kinda makes handing me a water quite the journey for my old mom with severe arthritis from years of cancer treatments. Anyway, staff members kept screaming at her, saying she could not stand there even just for a minute. But my mom tried to take video to send to my sister anyway. I still have this video somewhere on my computer and you can literally hear the woman screaming in the background while my mom is trying to watch me dance. There were all sorts of non-native photographers who, I guess, had press passes and were allowed to stand there... just not my mom.

But the Prairie Band PowWow was not without its pitfalls. This year, we were cutting it close with time and tried to make Grand Entry at the Prairie Band PowWow but when we tried to get in, they couldn’t find enough of the right color bracelets which made us late getting in. The woman at the entrance also took my mom’s money then went off to find the bracelets and when she came back she asked my mom to pay again. I’m sure it just slipped her mind because there were just two people trying to process so many transactions. When we got in and tried to register just in the nick of time, they told us that registration had ended and that it was in the morning (even though the flyer said we still had another hour to register). I know it was largely our fault for being untimely. I wasn’t ready to returning to dancing anyway. I have been out of the circuit for a while now due to health issues (that’s another reason we didn’t want to powwow too far from home) so I just couldn’t get it together at this powwow. My old regalia needs work too. Ultimately I didn’t dance but a few intertribals on the first day and made a fool of myself. I wouldn’t have minded the Red Earth Arctic A/C though lol Good ol’ sticky hot Kansas! Ya gotta luv it! hehehe

Oh BTW, their Casino was nice. I had never been. Makes me wish I had stayed there at the hotel. Didn't win anything though lol
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Oh, one thing to note, at the Prairie Band Pow Wow... people over 50 were admitted FOR FREE. Now THAT'S how you should treat our elders, Red Earth! Fifteen dollars is a lot when you're on a fixed income.... besides, it's just respect!
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Just a few years ago Red Earth started to make a come back. They got up to 1,200 dancers. Then they let some people go, made some changes, and things started going downhill again.

With that location, right in the middle of Indian Country, this Pow Wow could be bigger than Gathering!

But...
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Hi Paul, and yeah. I hear ya. I'm enjoying the Shoshoni Indian Days, massive crowd here. Heat is horrible but that doesn't seem to hinder the crowds. First night there were well over 600 dancers registered...probably more the next day but I haven't heard. Every powwow has their downfalls...people will have their oomplaints but it seems Red Earth can and should do better.
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Hi Paul, and yeah. I hear ya. I'm enjoying the Shoshoni Indian Days, massive crowd here. Heat is horrible but that doesn't seem to hinder the crowds. First night there were well over 600 dancers registered...probably more the next day but I haven't heard. Every powwow has their downfalls...people will have their oomplaints but it seems Red Earth can and should do better.
Just sayin....
Have you heard North Bear's new CD? Their rendition of Daddy's Girl is tops.
Yes, that CD is great!
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