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Old 11-29-2006, 04:07 PM   #1
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Recruiters entitled to student personal info under No Child Left Behind

This is the excerpt from the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001.
See also http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/e...2.html#sec9528

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SEC. 9528. ARMED FORCES RECRUITER ACCESS TO STUDENTS AND STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION.

(a) POLICY-

(1) ACCESS TO STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION- Notwithstanding section 444(a)(5)(B) of the General Education Provisions Act and except as provided in paragraph (2), each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters or an institution of higher education, access to secondary school students names, addresses, and telephone listings.

(2) CONSENT- A secondary school student or the parent of the student may request that the student's name, address, and telephone listing described in paragraph (1) not be released without prior written parental consent, and the local educational agency or private school shall notify parents of the option to make a request and shall comply with any request.

(3) SAME ACCESS TO STUDENTS- Each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as is provided generally to post secondary educational institutions or to prospective employers of those students.

(b) NOTIFICATION- The Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall, not later than 120 days after the date of enactment of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001, notify principals, school administrators, and other educators about the requirements of this section.

(c) EXCEPTION- The requirements of this section do not apply to a private secondary school that maintains a religious objection to service in the Armed Forces if the objection is verifiable through the corporate or other organizational documents or materials of that school.

(d) SPECIAL RULE- A local educational agency prohibited by Connecticut State law (either explicitly by statute or through statutory interpretation by the State Supreme Court or State Attorney General) from providing military recruiters with information or access as required by this section shall have until May 31, 2002, to comply with that requirement.
I found information available on opting your child's name out of information sent to military recruiters. This does not preclude their eligibility to voluntarily join the military service of their choice once they reach the appropriate age. The information is from an advocacy group that likely has a political agenda. But don't they all? Don't WE all?

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Old 11-29-2006, 08:34 PM   #2
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This has come up before, any parent who sign's a paper giving the school permission to give out information or even take pictures of their child without their EXPRESS permission at that given time, is nuts as far as I'm concerned.
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That's about right. As long as any public school receives any federal or state money, the military cannot be denied access to the school and student information. Some schools fight these rules to the best of their ablity, but in the end it's the law. What a person could do, if they have the technology, they could block the recruiters phone number from calling. Most recruiters will not call back if you request that they don't. If they presist, contact their command.
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They can also continue to call your kid for up to 2 years after graduation. I had a Marine recruiter call for my son (who has asthma) 2 days after my nephew (a Marine)was killed in Afghanistan. He got an earful, let me tell you. I told him that he and every other type of recruiter could stop calling my son. I didn't think it would work, but they stopped calling.
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When I was 17 and graduating from high school in '02, I remember a recruiter called my house. I asked him how he got my name and he said that the school was mandated to give out all the names and phone numbers of graduating seniors. I don't remember if the Patriot Act had been passed by then...but it did weird me out. I am proud of those who serve our country and I even applied to Mass. Maritime, a college affiliated with the Coast Guard, but I thought it was a little too much for them to be calling people's homes.
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If it is legal for a kids info to be given to the military at 17, that ssame kid should be able to buy lottery tickets, gamble, have sex, buy porn, buy cigs, buy beer and vote.

The kids have ss#'s, that is all the military needs.

I was 18 or 19 during the persian gulf, i never got any calls or harrassed to join up.

makes you wonder why they now call for you? could it be because they are running out of willing people? poeple who were already in and HAD to go? people who normally would sign up, but because of Bush, arent?

there is a lot to think about.

if Im gonna risk loosing my life, I want it to be for something that I KNOW is good, NOT for someones paycheck.

Here is an idea....offer early parole or clean records to inmates. or are they already thinking of that? wouldnt surprise me.
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Here is an idea....offer early parole or clean records to inmates. or are they already thinking of that? wouldnt surprise me.
I do not know about today, but it was a common practice in the past. I was in the Coast Guard just prior and during Desert Storm/Shield and stationed onboard the icebreaker Polar Sea. One of my shipmates was "kind of a troublemaker" but he also knew where the line was crossed before an actual rule was broken, and he was a hard worker and generally easy to get along with. I learned from him that he was once before a judge, who told him "military or jail, pick one" so he applied for the Coast Guard.

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Why did I choose the Coast Guard? Specifically, because their recruiters didn't come after me or anyone else in high school, I actually had to seek out their office. It is a small service -- about 40,000 full-time personnel, a smaller organization than the New York Police Dept -- they do not have the need nor the budget for hugely inflated numbers, no matter what the operations are. We are just military enough to call ourselves Veterans when we get out, even though yes we do go to war if ever called, our main missions are law enforcement, search and rescue, and aids to navigation -- all civilian focused. We can do things that the military cannot do*.

* The Posse Comitatus Act generally prohibits the military from doing civilian law enforcement except under specific conditions, requiring an order from the President or a state Governor, such as during a state of martial law.

The Army recruiter called me at home one school evening, and I flat told him the very fact he called me now condemned me from ever wanting to serve in his service, and if I did I would go through a different recruiter so that he wouldn't get "credit" or his "quota" from me -- then I hung up on him. I don't remember being bothered by the Navy, Air Force or Marine guys, but their services seemed to common to me.

Politically, I will have to say that I am quite glad that Saddam Hussein is out of power even though I do not fully agree with the situation that brought about our role in bringing him that change in status; but I would no more or less fight for Bush than I would for Clinton. (These folks who are chanting rhymes and waving protest signs today: where were they during Kosovo? Where were the screams of anger from the left when the Chinese Embassy was accidentally bombed, and it was accidental, right? Oh yes, that's right, they can't bash their own man.) I would fight for my people, regardless of who is in power. I would also know that the person in power is privy to see and hear the secret things found out about our enemy, those things we cannot afford to broadcast right away on CNN so that some chestbeating little roaring mouse will feel justified. I would also know that whether I trust that person or not, somewhere between that person and me are Admirals, Captains, Master Chiefs and Chief Petty Officers whom I can trust to issue lawful orders and help me understand the right thing to do.
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Ok, basically same topic:
Up here in Canada what is currantly buggin me about military recruiters is that they have a specific Native recruiter whose job is to sign up all us ndn's. They use ndn guys to do this & there is a specific program out there to recruit us. The guy is really nice, shows up at all the powwows etc. but the idea that the government is out there specificlly trying to get us to sighn up & go die in the east for them kinda bothers me.
Maybe I'm missinturepreting things. However after reading this thing about the high school records down there in the states & after hearing (else where) that the US is targeting poor ethnic neighbourhoods for recruitment, I think I'm probably not wrong in being bothered by this.

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