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Old 08-19-2011, 09:56 AM   #1
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New Dual Language Requirements

This is becoming an issue in Colorado, and possibly a lot of other places in North America. Should Spanish become a requirement on voting and polling ballots?


I know there is a huge Spanish-speaking population everywhere in the U.S. A lot of labor jobs or work in the kitchens etc. myself and my family apply for seem to have an unwritten requirement to speak spanish. Spanish is spoken more and more frequently everywhere.

The United States Government and most of it's documents are in American English. That is an argument by some opposing installing dual language practice on voting ballots and other government documents. Another is that we are all taught English and proper grammar in school. We are not all required to learn Spanish in grammar school.

Of course, the Spanish-speaking people are claiming discrimination and "racism" because there is no dual-language program.

What are your thoughts?

(Here is the news story inspiration to this thread): http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-more-s...,2954974.story
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:00 AM   #2
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Hope the US sorts it out better than we did with our bi-lingual issues.
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:25 PM   #3
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A mi, no me importa.

If half the people here on this site can't write English correctly then what does it matter if Spanish is thrown in the ballots.

I live in Los Angeles and have gone a few days without speaking English in public.
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:47 PM   #4
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If I went anywhere in the world, I would have to learn the language to survive. Why then is America, so concerned about not offending anyone and offering 31 different languages for D.L. applications, Social service applications(Welfare/foodstamps). Voter registration, etc, etc, etc. There was a time when "immigrants" were required to learn the history and language on this nation, now it's demanded and expected to cater to whoever comes here. My opinion, English.
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Why just Spanish? Why not German and French and Gaelic? Then there is Cherokee, Choctaw, Chinese, Japanese, etc.etc.etc...

Spanish speakers are not the first and will not be the last non-English speaking people to come to this country. Where I grew up, German was the first language of many people and Philadelphia seems to be full of Italians.
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I live in an area that is almost all hispanic, primarily Puerto Rican. The funny thing is that they speak Spanglish, not fully speaking Enlgish nor fully speaking Spanish. The most annoying thing is that after being around here for so long it just seems as if hadly any of them attempt to learn how to speak Enlgish at all. Laziness, maybe. You can tell the few who do try because they don't drag their kids along to translate for them. The kicker here is that many are 2nd generation here so that means they were born here and went to school here. They do, however, communicate and travel regularly to Puerto Rico.

I think we should all be more concerned with learning Chinese more than Spanish or French (the other 2 official languages of the WTO). Why? Well it appears as if western civilization is giving way to the east given that China is an economic powerhouse right now and the western world is in recessions and financial turmoil.

Just my two cents.
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"Should Spanish become a requirement on voting and polling ballots? What are your thoughts?"



In a community with a large Spanish speaking population, sure, why not? Can't see any harm done.
There are some 50 million Spanish speakers living in the US.

The tiny country of Switzerland (population 7.8 million) has 4 official languages : German (64 %), French (20 %), Italian (6.5 %) and Romansh (0.5 %). The federal government is obliged to communicate in the official languages, and in the federal parliament simultaneous translition is provided.

If you are a citizen of a European (EU) country (Germany, France, Sweden.......) , your passport will have information printed in 23 different languages.

I would think that someone coming across the border from, say Mexico into the US would feel right at home, with all the place names in their language :

California
Nevada
Colorado
Florida
Montana
New Mexico
Texas
Alameda
Sacramento
Los Angeles
De Soto
San Francisco
San Luis Obispo
San Jose
Santa Barbara
....and about a zillion others

I would think, too, that maybe some of their ancestors were living in some parts of present day USA long before any Anglos set foot on the land.
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Mexico was "New Spain" before the revolution.

Everybody in New Spain was forced to learn Spanish and take the name of a Catholic saint. Even Africans stolen from their home continent eventually became Cubans, Dominicans, etc.

The first Constitution of the State of California was bi-lingual.


More important...today's technology offers Spanish radio, television, and CD's that you hear blasting Norteno music in the WalMart parking lot.

Toolbox makes a point in his post, the culture wars are just starting.
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And here I though we were all related and we all bled the same color of blood and even just a little bit of some kind of blood made you a some kind and...

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Try to love one another
Right now

Oops. Got carried away. hahaaaaa
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"Mexico was "New Spain" before the revolution. "

"New Spain" was the name given to all Spanish colonies : it included, besides Mexico, much of North America south of Canada, Central America, the Philippines, Mariana Islands, Cuba, Puerto Rico, etc.




"Everybody in New Spain was forced to learn Spanish"


mmmm....much like English (the "other" dominant "foreign" language in the Americas) being (historically) forced on "everybody"

...however, the end results were/are much different :

population -
USA :
whites : 80 %
blacks : 13 %
Asians : 5%
Indigenous : 0.97 %

Mexico :
Indigenous/Mestizo : 80%
Whites : 15%
Other : 1%

language -

Mexico is home to a large number of indigenous languages, spoken by some 5.4% of the population - 1.2% of the population are monolingual speakers of an indigenous language. The indigenous languages with most speakers are Nahuatl, spoken by approximately 1.45 million people, Yukatek Maya spoken by some 750,000 people and the Mixtec and Zapotec languages each spoken by more than 400,000 people. The National Institute of Indigenous Languages recognizes 68 linguistic groups and some 364 different specific varieties of indigenous languages. Since the promulgation of the Law of Indigenous Linguistic Rights in 2003, these languages have had status as national languages, with equal validity with Spanish in all the areas and contexts in which they are spoken.

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And here I though we were all related and we all bled the same color of blood and even just a little bit of some kind of blood made you a some kind and...

Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to love one another
Right now

Oops. Got carried away. hahaaaaa
...yeah, lol...

...more along the lines of -

As some warn victory, some downfall
Private reasons great or small
Can be seen in the eyes of those that call
To make all that should be killed to crawl
While others say don't hate nothing at all
Except hatred.
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And here I though we were all related and we all bled the same color of blood and even just a little bit of some kind of blood made you a some kind and...

Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to love one another
Right now

Oops. Got carried away. hahaaaaa
Now you've gone and got all new age on us... LOL
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"New Spain" was the name given to all Spanish colonies : it included, besides Mexico, much of North America south of Canada, Central America, the Philippines, Mariana Islands, Cuba, Puerto Rico, etc. <<< jack2011


I've been almost all those places on that Global Trail of Tears. Think of all the souls they saved...en el nombre del senor...
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"I've been almost all those places on that Global Trail of Tears."

Well, we have something in common


"Think of all the souls they saved...en el nombre del senor... "

Oh, indeed....heaven is just full of souls saved by the Spaniards (por Dios, por la patria y el Rey)....of course, some couldn't be saved and had to be put to the sword

The English/Americans , not to be outdone, and using other methods, have also saved many souls, in fact, unlike the Spaniards, they have continued saving souls right up to the present day : Vietnamese, Filipinos (600,000 saved, I believe), Indians (according to one source between 1 to 4 million were saved, according to another, between 10 and 114 million were saved) , Arabs, Hawaiians, Nicaraguans, Cubans, Mexicans, Laotians...hey, we don't discriminate..all need to be saved


En el nombre del Padre,
y del Hijo
y del Espíritu Santo.
Amen

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History shows clearly that whenever Americans want something another nation has--such as land or oil or other resources--we are able to justify taking it. The usual contrivance is the age-old theory that non-white peoples are unable to govern themselves, so we must heed our "divine mission" to liberate them from their own ignorance and corruption, bringing our gifts of freedom, democracy and Christianity--whether they want them or not.

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"There are three things … we are willing to die for: God, country and family," Michelle Jones, command sergeant-major, U.S. Army Reserves, told an Army-base newspaper.[3]

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Racist views were successfully exploited by the Franks, who led the Crusades in 1097. The Franks claimed descent from the "lost tribe" of Benjamites, driven out of Palestine by the Israelites. They thereby claimed the throne of David, and, through this claim, the Merovingian dynasty developed its "divine right" to rule.[4]

Having God on your side on every issue means you can never be wrong. U.S. leaders have often become infected with infallibility. Campaigning for a comeback in 1912, Theodore Roosevelt piled it on: "We battle for the Lord," he thundered. "[W]e stand at Armageddon."[5]

During the Cold War, Senator Lyndon Johnson proclaimed: "We shall, we must, with the guidance of God, embark on this course to redeem humanity… and with the righteous strength which centuries of freedom under God have given us, we cannot fail." [6]

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It’s no coincidence that capitalism and Protestantism ascended simultaneously. Jean Calvin theologically discredited the feudal system in 1541, paving the way for an upwardly mobile merchant class to replace the landed aristocracy. The genius of Calvin, observed sociologist Max Weber in 1904, was the creation of a new concept of God.[7] Prior to this crucial paradigm shift, surplus wealth--i.e., capital--was expected to be donated to the Church.
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The Puritans of Plymouth Bay were staunch Calvinists and their legacy remains powerful. "American culture, in particular, is thoroughly Calvinist… [A]t the heart of the way Americans think and act, you’ll find this fierce and imposing reformer [Calvin]."[9]

The City on the Hill

Puritan leader John Winthrop, borrowing from the New Testament,[10] came up with one of the most enduring images in American myth: The City on the Hill. Aboard the Arbella, Winthrop exhorted his fellow travelers: "We are entered into a covenant with [God] … we shall be as a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us..."[11] This 1630 speech marks the birth of American exceptionalism: Puritans will build a new nation, destined to become the light of the world.

Winthrop’s trope became part of the national fabric. It has been "interwoven throughout our history and our foreign policy," writes Duke University professor Gerald Wilson.[12] Some scholars insist every presidential candidate must allude to it or face rejection.[13] The City on the Hill image resurfaces in speeches by John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.[14] Reagan found it a surefire crowd pleaser. "I’ve spoken of the Shining City all my political life," he said in his farewell address.[15]

Tale of Two Cities

There are two schools of thought as to how the City on the Hill trope should be deployed. The America-as-example model purports that as a "Christian nation" we should be a model of freedom, democracy and piety, and lead the world through example. The later, activist interpretation insists America has the right--no, the duty--to "save" the world through intervention, with force if necessary. This is the America-as-instrument model; it was conceived during the Manifest Destiny era and later developed by expansionists such as William McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt.

Some Christians take issue with the instrumental position. Francis Bremer, professor of history at Millerton University and author of John Winthrop: America’s Forgotten Founding Father, thinks Winthop would be "very disturbed" at the spin instrumentalists gave to his expression. Most upsetting, he said, is the way the idea has been taken from its original intent of America as an example to "America carrying its values into other countries."[16]

Americans feel obliged to "act on the belief that our system is … the best way for other people to live [and] we are going to bring it to them whether they want it or not," writes First Amendment scholar Charles Haynes.[17]

This contrivance ushered in a new era of interventionism. President Woodrow Wilson ran amok with it. Despite campaign promises to keep the country out of war, Wilson was one of the most warlike presidents ever. He sponsored several interventions in Mexico ("I am going to teach [them] to elect good men!"),[18] along with others in China, Nicaragua, Panama, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba, Guatemala, Honduras, the Phillipines, Yugoslavia and even the U.S.S.R.

Major General Smedley Butler was one of Wilson’s most capable strongmen. Butler stuck a pin in Wilsonian "idealism" in a 1940 speech:

I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism…. I could have given Al Capone a few hints….. I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys…. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street…. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers…. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."[19]

The instrumental model was taken even further during the Cold War and led to all-out wars in Korea and Indochina and interventions in Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo and elsewhere.

Manifest Destiny and Teutonic Supremacy

Instrumentalism, racism and greed became inextricably bound. "A search for personal and national wealth was put in terms of world progress, under the leadership of a supreme race," writes historian Reginald Horsman[20]

"Indian removal"--what today would be called ethnic cleansing--was unofficial federal policy during the Monroe presidency. Upon his election, General Andrew Jackson, having earned fame as an Indian fighter, made it official. Jackson’s policies became the model for Hitler’s "final solution."[21]

As a slogan, "Indian removal" was a bit blunt. "Manifest destiny" had a more Orwellian snap. The term was coined in 1845 by Democratic Review editor John L. O’Sullivan, an Irish-Catholic.[22] O’Sullivan intended the phrase to mean the flowering of democracy, not Anglo-Saxonism. Ironically, Manifest Destiny became a metonym--and a justification--for Anglo-Saxon domination. O’Sullivan, perhaps unwittingly, spoke to the Calvinist mindset: The word "destiny" alluded to predestination. "Manifest" hinted at the materialization of wealth reserved for the Elect. Manifest Destiny was nothing more than "a cluster of flimsy rationalizations for naked greed," writes historian George Tindall.[23]

It was a sentiment Americans inherited from their British forebears. "[T]he idea that England and Israel are intimately connected goes back at least to the 17th century. The extreme English Puritans believed they were God’s chosen people…."[23] Like the Franks, the "Anglo-Israelites" insisted they were descended from the "lost" tribes of Israel. They further asserted that the Jews are "cursed" for not accepting Jesus and that England was now the "true" Israel.[24] Linguists, however, found no connection between English and any Semitic language.[25]

From 1812 to 1840, a wave of German immigration washed over the U.S. Abandoning strict Anglo-Saxonism, Senator Thomas Hart Benton and Caleb Cushing, U.S. Commissioner to China and later U.S. Attorney General, proposed a new "American race"--a hybrid of English, French, German, Scots and Irish. The myth became more inclusive, but its effect remained unaltered: "In America’s relentless expansion," Cushing proclaimed, "men, nations, races, may, must, will perish before us. That is inevitable."[26]

Manifest Destiny simply meant Teutonic supremacy. "God has not been preparing the English-speaking and Teutonic peoples for 1,000 years for nothing," Indiana Senator Albert Beveridge bellowed. "He has marked the American people as His chosen nation to finally lead in the redemption of the world."[27]

Germany’s Answer to Manifest Destiny

At that time, a united Germany was still struggling to be born. German nationalists admired the effectiveness of Anglo-Saxon foundation myth. They could even have claimed it as their own--the Angles and Saxons were both from German regions. Pan-Germanic theories of racial superiority became the rage in European scientific circles,[28] and scientific principles were perverted to fit the racist agenda.

British economist Thomas Malthus’s 1798 theory that world population growth would outstrip food supply spread alarm among Teutonic supremacists. Charles Darwin’s theory of survival of the fittest was distorted to suggest that "inferior" peoples deserved extinction. Darwin’s cousin Francis Galton proposed the science of eugenics. Malthus and Galton had only proposed controlling population growth, but later proponents of the "master race" would interpret this to justify mass murder and genocide.[29]

A transatlantic colloquy of supremacist ideas took flight. German geographer Friedrich Ratzel visited the U.S. in the 1890s. Ratzel’s Politische Geographie lent scientific credence to the concept of lebensraum ("living space"). This merely echoed an 1846 statement by U.S. editor and poet William Simms: "[T]he race must have expansion."[30]

In Europe, theories of Teutonic racial superiority that had been around for hundreds of years reached critical mass. Adolph Hitler borrowed liberally from the American model. Many methods of Hitler’s Final Solution were "inspired by the U.S. government’s subjugation of the American Indian…. He often praised the efficiency of America’s extermination of the [Indians]." Hitler referred to Slavic peoples as "redskins."[31]

Again, racism became a tool of greed. Anyone in Hitler’s way or anyone who had resources he needed was fair game. Nazis were to show no mercy to subhumans, and should "delight in killing and displacing them and stealing their property…"[32]

During the Nuremberg trials, Hitler’s No. 2 man, Hermann Goering, insisted Nazi policy had been identical to U.S policy toward Native Americans.33 But the holocaust in the Americas outdid the Nazis’ Final Solution many times over: "The destruction of the Indians in the Americas was far and away the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world," writes historian David E. Stannard.34 Stannard estimates about 12 million Native Americans died as a result of ethnic cleansing in the U.S. and Canada; 68 to 90 million died in the entire western hemisphere.[35]

Manifest Mercantilism

As Benton predicted, Manifest Destiny marched westward and kept going. First came Texas in 1845, then New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Nevada and California in 1846, and Oregon in 1848. But it would not stop at the Pacific. Hawaii was taken in 1898, and soon, Guam, Samoa and the Philippines would be added--a nearly straight line to the Orient.

China was the crown jewel in Benton’s plan. The Columbia River valley would become the granary of Asia, he said. From there, Benton foresaw a route to India. This trade would move through his hometown of St. Louis, "the gateway to the West."[36] Benton was indeed a visionary: in 1846--52 years before it came to pass--Benton proposed war with Spain in order to seize the Philippines as a base for Asian operations.[37]

In 1902, British economist John A. Hobson spotted what was happening: In order to cut costs and boost profits, the big industrialists cut back on labor--machinery was a big boon to that end--but they laid off too many people. As a result, U.S. businesses destroyed each other’s customer bases and created recessions. Few workers had money to buy anything. So, in order to keep the goods moving, manufacturers shipped them overseas. In short, U.S. industrialists exported their under-consumption problem.[38] Hobson predicted military force would be necessary to keep foreign markets open.

Garnering foreign markets for U.S. overproduction became a prime objective of foreign policy. Whenever markets for American goods--even potential markets--are threatened, U.S. reaction is predictably fierce. Commercial considerations were at the forefront of both world wars: Both were fought primarily to keep foreign markets open for business.

Shortly after World War I, Benton’s dream came true: China was brought into the American sphere with help from the corrupt Kuomintang government. But in 1931, Japan shut us out: It closed not only China, but the Philippines and Korea, to U.S. trade.
The U.S. could not afford to lose Europe--its largest market--to either Nazi Germany or the U.S.S.R.[39]

After WWII, it seemed the Soviets would shut the West out of crucial markets in central and eastern Europe. Neo-liberals wanted an "open door" to as many markets as possible and were losing ground. The Cold War was intended to "contain," if not "roll back," this exclusion.[40]

Russians were a slightly easier propaganda target than Germans. Since they were white, the race card wouldn’t work. Wilson’s tepid fighting-for-democracy heuristically was revived, but wasn’t particularly effective. Finally, U.S. propagandists hit on the religious justification: communists are atheists! In 1954, the phrase "under God"--a dig at "godless communists"--was quickly added to the Pledge of Allegiance.[41]

Race wars

American business leaders had long dreamed of a wide-open Asian market for their goods--along with the prospect of cheap labor. "Asia is our Eldorado," said Charles Denby, former minister to China, in 1899. "Here are hundreds of millions of the human race to be civilized [and] Christianized…."[42]

Even after Japan’s defeat in 1945 and the re-establishment of U.S. dominance in the Philippines, there were problems: In 1949, a communist revolution in China took control. The door to Western trade was again closed.

At the same time, a nationalist movement led by communists threatened to lose Vietnam as a French neocolony. President Dwight Eisenhower’s "domino theory" delineated U.S. fears: The Philippines might go next; perhaps Japan and the entire Pacific Rim would fall into the "communist orbit." The U.S. would be denied the area’s strategic raw materials: oil and rubber. This could seriously damage the U.S economy and "our way of life." Ultimately, the U.S. wasted $205 billion and slaughtered more than three million Vietnamese,[43] plus 150,000 Laotians and Cambodians, trying to keep Southeast Asia in the U.S. orbit.

Racial justifications made it easier. Asians were fair game. "We had to dehumanize our victims before we did the things we did," writes Stan Goff, former U.S. Special Forces master sergeant in Vietnam. "We knew deep down what we were doing was wrong. So they became dinks or gooks--just like Iraqis are now being transformed into ‘rag-heads’" [44]

Today we have all three elements of Manifest Destiny in play: racism, religious chauvinism and greed. Since 9/11, the U.S. has found another enemy that is easily demonized. The feeding frenzy should be as easy to stir as it was during the Mexican-American War. The average yahoo scarcely knows the difference between Iraqis, Iranians and Indonesians. "Nuke ‘em all," he rants --a predictable reaction when the enemy is both dark-skinned and non-Christian, not to mention sitting on our oil.

White man’s burden

One of the favorite tenets of Manifest Destiny asserts subhumans are not fit to govern themselves; therefore, white Anglo-Saxon Protestants are doing them a favor by ruling them. Currently we are bringing democracy and civilization to the middle east--an area that was civilized when Europeans were still living in caves.

This is the arrogance of paternalism. "Can President Bush… do better with Muslims [in teaching them to elect ‘good men’] than Wilson did with Latin Americans? It seems unlikely, since neither seems ready to drop the didactic tone, with its attendant belief that the native population in question is made up not of men and women, but of ignorant children," writes New York Observer columnist Caleb Carr.[45]

Clearer than truth

The U.S., being founded on anti-monarchical and anti-imperialist ideals, is constrained by its own foundation myth. Expansionism and foreign adventures must be couched in language that obscures the real objective. "Duplicity in foreign affairs has sometimes served the national interest…. The assumption that the public won’t understand… has long made it tempting for both Democratic and Republican administrations to make their arguments ‘clearer than the truth.’"[46]

Expansionism can only be presented to the U.S. public with one or more of the following "official" justifications:
- national security: there must be some threat, real or manufactured;[47]
- humanitarianism: we have a moral responsibility to "liberate" oppressed peoples from ruthless dictators or, in the case of civil wars, each other;
- idealism: it is our responsibility to protect democracy and/or freedom for the rest of the world.
Tacit elements of racism, religious chauvinism and greed operate below the surface.

Away with wretched cant

No U.S. leader would openly declare, "We’re going in there because there is something we want." But there have been exceptions. One was Representative William Duer of New York. During the furor leading up to the Mexican-American War, Duer thundered, "If you wish this plunder, this dismemberment of a sister republic, let us stand forth like conquerors and plainly declare our purposes…. Away with mawkish morality, with this desecration of religion, with this cant about Manifest Destiny, a divine mission, a warrant from the Most High, to civilize, Christianize and democratize our sister republic at the mouth of a cannon!"[48]

Racism and religious chauvinism are the primary components of Manifest Destiny, but they obscure the true objective: plunder.[49] Albert Gallatin, a Swiss immigrant who became Thomas Jefferson’s and James Madison’s secretary of the treasury, saw racist rhetoric as a smokescreen for greed: "The allegations of superiority of race and destiny… are but pretenses under which to disguise ambition [and] cupidity…"[50]

The point was put even plainer by George Orwell. In Burmese Days, a character very much like Orwell himself--who was once a British imperial policeman in Burma--asks a comrade: "How can you make out that we are in this country for any purpose except to steal?"[51]




Notes
1. Loewen, James A. Lies My Teacher Told Me. New York: Touchstone Books, 1995. p. 248.
2. Douglas, C.H., Programme For The Third World War. Liverpool: K.R.P. Publications, no date listed. Excerpted in Butler, Eric D. "History Shaped by Myths." BibleBelievers.org. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/myths.htm
3. Nisbet, Carol. "Helmly forecasts change." Fort Dix Post. http://www.dix.army.mil/PAO/post03/p...yForecasts.htm
4. Wood, Ian. The Merovingian Kingdoms:450-751. London: Longman Group, 1994. p. 177
5. Quoted in, Cobb, William W., Jr. The American Foundation Myth in Vietnam: Reigning Paradigms and Raining Bombs. Lanham, Md.: University Press of America,1998. p 22.
6. Hogan, Michael J. Cross of Iron. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. 1998. p. 319
7. Weber, Max. The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1958 (originally published 1904-1905), p. 2-7.
8. Bjelajac, David. American Art: A Cultural History. New York: Harry M. Abrams, 2001. p. 63.
9. Hooker, Richard. "Discovery and Reformation: John Calvin." Washington State University. http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/REFORM/CALVIN.HTM
10. King James Bible, New Testament. From Jesus’s "Sermon on the Mount" (Matthew 5:14): "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden."
11. Winston, Kimberly. "From Theological Tenet to Political
Password." BeliefNet. http://www.beliefnet.com/story/139/story_13917_3.html
12. Winston.
13. Winston.
14. Winston.
15 CFIF.org. "President Reagan Quotes: In His Own Words." http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomli...gan_quotes.htm
16. Bremer, Francis. Quoted in Winston.
17. Haynes, Charles. Quoted in Winston.
18. Smith, Peter. Talons of the Eagle: Dynamics of U.S.-Latin American Relations. Oxford: Oxford University Press. 2000. p. 51
19. Federation of American Scientists. "Smedley Butler on Interventionism." http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
20. Horsman, Reginald. Race and Manifest Destiny: The Origins of American Racial Anglo-Saxonism. Cambridge: Harvard Press, 1981. p. 247.
21 Toland, John. Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography. Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday, 1976. p. 802.
22. Widmer, Edward L. Young America: The Flowering of Democracy in New York City. New York: Oxford University Press, 1999. Excerpts from http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev...=3306945077230
23. Tindall, George. America: A Narrative History. New York: W.W. Norton Co., 1992. p. 527.
24. Kossy, Donna. "The Anglo-Israelites." http://home.pacifier.com/~dkossy/anglo.html
25. Williams, David. "British Israelism: an expose." 15 December,1998. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5951/BI.html
26. Horsman, p. 44.
27. Horsman, p. 253.
28 Loewen, 254.
29. Benes, Kveta. "From Indo-Germans to Aryans: Comparative-Historical Philology and the Racialization of Salvationist National Narrative, 1806-30." Harvard University seminar. 4 May, 2001. http://www.greeninformation.com/Germ...0of%20Race.htm
30. Sereny, Gitta. Into the Darkness: From Mercy Killings to Mass Murder. London: Andre Deutsch. 1974. p. 50.
31. Horsman, p. 167.
32. Joseph. Excerpt from: http://Brain-Mind.com/Hitler1.html.
33. Joseph.
34. Stannard, David. American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World. Oxford, England: Oxford Press, 1993. p. x.
35. Stannard, David. E-mail correspondence with author.
23 March, 2004.
36. Horsman, pp. 90-91.
37. Horsman, p. 91.
38. Cashman, Greg. What Causes War. Lanham, Md.: Lexington Books, 1993. p. 130.
39. McCormick, Thomas J. America’s Half-Century. Baltimore, Md.: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1995. p. 53.
40. McCormick, p. 53.
41. Willing, Richard. "High court grills Pledge plaintiff." USA Today. 25 March, 2004.
42. Iriye, A. From Nationalism to Internationalism, p. 164.
43. McNamara, Robert. In Morris, Errol. The Fog of War. Sony Pictures Classics, 2003.
44. Goff, Stan. "Hold on to Your Humanity." International Socialist Review. January, 2004.
45. Carr, Caleb. "Woodrow Wilson Redux?" New York Observer, 15 April, 2003.
46. Schwartz, Benjamin. "Clearer Than the Truth." Atlantic Monthly. April, 2004.
47. MacIsaac, Stephen. Personal interview with author. Jacksonville University. May, 2003.
48. U.S. Congressional Record. Quoted in Horsman, p. 258.
49. Allen, Susan, M.B.A, C.P.A. Personal interview with author.
10 April, 2004.
50. Quoted in Horsman, p. 271.
51. Orwell, George. Burmese Days. New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich. 1934. p. 40.
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