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Old 02-27-2009, 12:38 AM   #21
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I've been to a few powwows that card..alot of times I think its jus to weed out the rif~raff, which really shouldn't matter cuz "rif~raff" probably wouldn't win anywhoo. I've Contested at Gathering and Denver March, and never got carded. The carding thing don't really matter either way to me.. But I understand how it can also be unfair to people who are native and still cant get cards due to quantum requirements.
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:22 AM   #22
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Except CDIBs have nothing to do with either strawman argument. (Yes, I have a CDIB. And?)



Beyond, of course, the fact that it IS degrading and -- worse -- legislates Natives out of recognized legal existence within a few generations: almost as if it were planned that way...

Oh, wait. It was.

You can feel however you desire, but the facts are self-evident.

And it is horrid and shameful that Natives (you know, us?) would stoop to using the Great White Father's system of recognition as an entry hurdle for our own events.

That's taking the bait, hook, line and sinker.
C'mon Zeke...it was a simple question about a CDIB card and a powwow and you go off on a tangent about some Great White Father sheit. Most of that stuff has nothing to do with this thread.

Not all NDNs go to contest powwows.
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Old 02-27-2009, 03:19 AM   #23
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I personally don't see the need to have to card us, just to dance at a contest IF we wish to contest. I have yet to be carded at a dance, though I usually do carry a card but not always. (I was glad I had it with me when we went into Mexico. It was the only thing allowing me to reenter TX at that time.) I didn't have my birth certificate with me, another government documentation silliness.

I would have to vote NO on the CDIB requirement to dance.

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Old 02-27-2009, 10:22 AM   #24
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C'mon Zeke...it was a simple question about a CDIB card and a powwow and you go off on a tangent about some Great White Father sheit. Most of that stuff has nothing to do with this thread.

Not all NDNs go to contest powwows.
Now, now. The following quote demanded dismantling:

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So, dont try and make those of us who DO feel like it's some government conspiracy, or degrading system that we have bought into.
Her points, in support of CDIBs at powwows and elsewhere, are that it is NOT government action or degrading.

That's just wrong.

I don't see the issue in responding, directly.
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I have carded people before and I have been carded. ONe problem I run into is NC has state recognized organizations. Well, if someone has a card to that organization then they are considered "state" recognized which I don't think is right but whatever. Like I said I have carded people I didn't know before just because that is what I am paid to do. And I was carded at Fayetteville powwow one time and didn't get p*ssed. I know I don't "look" Indian and didn't hold it against them. They didn't know me at all.
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well ... ANY canadian native ... is NOT considered to have any native blood to the US government and vice versa ...

if you take myself ... im about as full blood Cree as anyone can get ... 100% and my spouse is 3/4 and 1/4 of two american native tribes ... yet our children are NOT be considered native enough to get a CDIB card LOL.

long story ... his tribe where he is enrolled in, says our girls dont have the "right" to be enrolled with them because they have been already registered with a certificate of indian status card on my home reserve and they put me down as white (other blood) too on the rejection letter. which i found to be quite ludicris once ya really think about it ... your already registered NATIVE elsewhere but you're WHITE at the same time, as a reason to reject their applications LOL.

so my children being of all native american blood would not be allowed to dance ... technically ...
That's not fair. That totally sucks.
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That's not fair. That totally sucks.
And stands as a prime example of why CDIBs (and things like them) are jokes.

No, dancers -- or anyone else -- should not have to show CDIBs for standing, recognition, handouts, etc.
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I have carded people before and I have been carded. ONe problem I run into is NC has state recognized organizations. Well, if someone has a card to that organization then they are considered "state" recognized which I don't think is right but whatever. Like I said I have carded people I didn't know before just because that is what I am paid to do. And I was carded at Fayetteville powwow one time and didn't get p*ssed. I know I don't "look" Indian and didn't hold it against them. They didn't know me at all.
Hi NDNQt,

Your post brings up something that has puzzled me for awhile. Maybe you can help me understand. Virginia doesn't have any federally recognized tribes. So, does this mean the dancers at the VA powwows that require CDIB must be from another state or tribe outside of VA??
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I think I may also need to bring a Zeke ideology out.

I don't understand the need for the Powwow Committees to have to require dancers to prove what the Fed's want to define us as NDN. Isn't that playing a BIA game? I think that the dancers should be defined by their dancing and not their cardability. This is kinda like playing the skin game.

Just another thought.
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I think I may also need to bring a Zeke ideology out.

I don't understand the need for the Powwow Committees to have to require dancers to prove what the Fed's want to define us as NDN. Isn't that playing a BIA game? I think that the dancers should be defined by their dancing and not their cardability. This is kinda like playing the skin game.

Just another thought.
My point, precisely.

You said it better.
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I've gone to sleep and woke up in Bizarro World....I completely and fully agree with you Zeke. To what, and better yet, WHO'S point would this serve?

tag along, play the game, do what THEY tell you, it'll be all good, right?
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but what about the ndn tacos? should they be required to show us their CDIDelicious cards? Come on Zeke, what about the tacos?
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but what about the ndn tacos? should they be required to show us their CDIDelicious cards? Come on Zeke, what about the tacos?
Well, if you don't have a card, is it truly an authentic -- INDIAN MADE -- taco?

Perhaps we should query KiowaKat. Oh, wait, she got banned...
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Well, if you don't have a card, is it truly an authentic -- INDIAN MADE -- taco?

Perhaps we should query KiowaKat. Oh, wait, she got banned...
Well now, I have an alternate communication line to her Abode and she says only authentic Ndn Taco is made with Bluebird Comod Flour and a card carrying Ndn
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Well now, I have an alternate communication line to her Abode and she says only authentic Ndn Taco is made with Bluebird Comod Flour and a card carrying Ndn
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FUNNY!

Of course, commodity flour is a gift from the Great White Father...
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Beeleaf, Sorry I hadn't responded, I hadn't looked at this thread since I posted before. We don't ask for CDIB cards just tribal cards. An example of what happens around here - I carded this man (who years ago said he wasn't Native and now he says he is) and he gave me some association card from California. I told him association cards don't mean you are Indian and besides that if he was going to try and claim my daddy's tribe he needed learn how to spell it. The name is Chickahominy and he had an "e" in there!
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Beeleaf, Sorry I hadn't responded, I hadn't looked at this thread since I posted before. We don't ask for CDIB cards just tribal cards. An example of what happens around here - I carded this man (who years ago said he wasn't Native and now he says he is) and he gave me some association card from California. I told him association cards don't mean you are Indian and besides that if he was going to try and claim my daddy's tribe he needed learn how to spell it. The name is Chickahominy and he had an "e" in there!
Tons of pow wows in NC and VA card, but they don't ask for CDIBs because 90% of the dancers there don't have them....just state-recognized cards. These are the same dancers who came to Cherokee, NC when they were requiring federal cards and complained about discrimination. LOL Kinda doesn't make sense...sort of like saying 'discrimination sucks unless I can do the discriminating'.

Carded pow wows are dumb...like someone else said, the yahoos aren't going to win anyways so what is everyone afraid of? I do think though that if pow wows are going to card, it should be on the flyer so people know the skinny before they travel because like WhoMe...not everyone always carries it with them.
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