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Old 10-09-2006, 11:30 AM   #61
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Cliff SiJohn put on a chicken dance exhibition special at the Couer D'Alene Casino Powwow last March. It was supposed to be based on the original style with two rows of guys dancing toward each other, with two warbonnet dancers posted to symbolically watch over them (who didn't dance but just stand behind each row with their warbonnets donned). I don't know a whole lot about the societies nor how accurate the history was taught by the exhibition, but it was a good show and it did at least seem to make some people think, "wait a minute where do these styles come from and what do they really mean?" And just by that, maybe the special it did its job.
what cliff does is a courd aleane's way of chicken dance and round bustle. what it is to symbolize two chickens fighting each other.
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From what I gather, this dance was the formation of the Plateau Chicken Dance Society...

So, as a society, they need a lodge, a pipe, sashes or something, a chief; and now, they can only bring those outfits out at special times, never use them for competition, and never wear them at powwows, only ceremonies.

So, congrats to all those that participated, it was a great show of you honor and respect for the near lost warrior socieities.

So, you may want to rethink your theory about making people think about the orgins of chicken dancing Coffee Dude. Uncle Cliff was making a very bold statement: The dancers over here are Plateau Chicken Dancers and dancers over there are Prairie Chicken Dancers. In doing so, he obligated those participants to honor the duties of a Warrior Society....

As you can see, alot of people have a lot of trust and respect for Uncle Cliff, however, not really realizing what was taking place, they participated anyways.........
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Where do I sign up to dance chicken? KFC or what!
Naw but anyways, when I was first introduced to this Society in BrownTown I was told only society members of their chicken society can dance this style. Only men with the permish of a member can give the rights to dance this style.....I wish people would respect this right but like all our other rights as NDN peeps will are being exploited on the daily. But on a good feeling, lets at least understand where and why our dances are here and where they really came from with good respect in our hearts.
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From what I gather, this dance was the formation of the Plateau Chicken Dance Society...

So, as a society, they need a lodge, a pipe, sashes or something, a chief; and now, they can only bring those outfits out at special times, never use them for competition, and never wear them at powwows, only ceremonies.

So, congrats to all those that participated, it was a great show of you honor and respect for the near lost warrior socieities.

So, you may want to rethink your theory about making people think about the orgins of chicken dancing Coffee Dude. Uncle Cliff was making a very bold statement: The dancers over here are Plateau Chicken Dancers and dancers over there are Prairie Chicken Dancers. In doing so, he obligated those participants to honor the duties of a Warrior Society....

As you can see, alot of people have a lot of trust and respect for Uncle Cliff, however, not really realizing what was taking place, they participated anyways.........
I remember him telling people after the special was over about forming the Plateau Prairie Chicken Society and to come and see him and (one or two other people I can't remember their names) to sign up. He didn't explain to the participants that they were becoming part of the Society, perhaps he was enlisting their participation to demonstrate something as part of an announcement that the Society was forming. I dunno. It was interesting to see. So was the Cup Dance. A good powwow nonetheless, and a good special.
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I remember him telling people after the special was over about forming the Plateau Prairie Chicken Society and to come and see him and (one or two other people I can't remember their names) to sign up. He didn't explain to the participants that they were becoming part of the Society, perhaps he was enlisting their participation to demonstrate something as part of an announcement that the Society was forming. I dunno. It was interesting to see. So was the Cup Dance. A good powwow nonetheless, and a good special.
Well then, maybe Cliff has something going now! Those of you that believe that the roots of chicken dancing have evolved from a society within your people or tribe, go to your elders, ask them about how to reform these societies, bring back that tradition and preserve it for the sake of your people's culture. Practice it at your Sundances. Have a lodge and a pipe and take care of your outfits. That would be most honorable.

As for the powwow dancing. It is what it is, preservation of culture through constant evolution and transition; if it stayed the same, everyone would get bored and quit. Though they dance for money and competition, they still dance.....













I still remember him telling people that if they wanted to be a part of the society to step out onto the floor....
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I still remember him telling people that if they wanted to be a part of the society to step out onto the floor....
Well maybe he did then ... I think I saw Guy Fox and Todd George amongst others, only the dancers know for sure I guess! Kind of like saying if you want to be a soldier call 1-800-USA-ARMY? But going thru MEPS and boot camp is yet another step...
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Well maybe he did then ... I think I saw Guy Fox and Todd George amongst others, only the dancers know for sure I guess! Kind of like saying if you want to be a soldier call 1-800-USA-ARMY? But going thru MEPS and boot camp is yet another step...
Todd George did participate in the dance, Guy Fox for his reasons did not...my lil brother was quick to recognize the situation and stepped aside to allow the hosts of the powwow to do what they thought was a necessary point to make, which was my afore mentioned point of the 'Plateau' style chicken dance rather the 'Prairie'.

As a Plains Native, my brother also knows that the formation of a society is something that would most appropriately be done on a platform other than an intertribal/social dance....especially in a setting such as a casino.
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That makes sense. And I stand corrected I vaguely do remember seeing Guy not dancing in that one.
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the best looking guys chicken dance. They are confident in their movements and not afraid of showing off their figure in their tights!
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sorry but society dances are going to be done on any stage or plateform so u know that ceremonial.. lol and yeah the chicken dance in the plateau area is different then plains but close anyway .. i don't know about that whole fighting thing cause i watch the chickens go and mate before more then one at a time goin after a hen and the just dance for her they don't fight..
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People would say that alot of dance styles are changing in the modern era. This is something that we as native people have to accept whether we like it or not. Nothing stays the same forever. The chicken dance has become more elaborate, Just like all the other dance styles. Before the arrival of the Europeans, chicken dancing has always been around. It started out as a religious society known as the Kiitokii (Prairie chicken) society. Now it has evolved into the pow wow with the original people of this society accepting it. If they didn't want it in the pow wow they would have to put a stop to it a long time ago. The true chicken dancers are from the Blackfoot Confederacy in Southern Alberta,Canada and Northern Montana. They are the ones who keep it real. They are not the ones who are changing the style. It's people from different Indian reserves who are changing the dance style. Trying to make it look like a grass dance or some other dance style we don't know. Adding streamers and great big bustles to there regalia. Everything nowadays are to commercial. Are we trying to keep it original or put on a show for tourists? If you ask me native people today are in it for the money and to show off. They forget that the true style of prairie chicken dance is all in the feet and that it started out with the blackfoot people with there true kiitokii society. I think that prairie chicken dance is out of hand depending on what area you are in. If you want to see true chicken dancing, The original chicken dance regalia and dance steps go to a pow wow in Blackfoot Country in the summer time. You will not be dissapointed.
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People would say that alot of dance styles are changing in the modern era. This is something that we as native people have to accept whether we like it or not. Nothing stays the same forever. The chicken dance has become more elaborate, Just like all the other dance styles. Before the arrival of the Europeans, chicken dancing has always been around. It started out as a religious society known as the Kiitokii (Prairie chicken) society. Now it has evolved into the pow wow with the original people of this society accepting it. If they didn't want it in the pow wow they would have to put a stop to it a long time ago. The true chicken dancers are from the Blackfoot Confederacy in Southern Alberta,Canada and Northern Montana. They are the ones who keep it real. They are not the ones who are changing the style. It's people from different Indian reserves who are changing the dance style. Trying to make it look like a grass dance or some other dance style we don't know. Adding streamers and great big bustles to there regalia. Everything nowadays are to commercial. Are we trying to keep it original or put on a show for tourists? If you ask me native people today are in it for the money and to show off. They forget that the true style of prairie chicken dance is all in the feet and that it started out with the blackfoot people with there true kiitokii society. I think that prairie chicken dance is out of hand depending on what area you are in. If you want to see true chicken dancing, The original chicken dance regalia and dance steps go to a pow wow in Blackfoot Country in the summer time. You will not be dissapointed.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYIN TO SAY THIS WHOLE TIME OUTHERE ON THE EAST BUT EVERYONE JUST BASHED ME AND THEY ALWAYS SAID THEY KNEW IT ALL!!! AHO KIAYO!!
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Okii Kiayo you just summed it up my brother, i wouldn't have said it any better then you did. It is true come to Blackfoot Country and see the real chicken dancers, move very gracefully and just like the prairie chickens; being the rooster.
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Oki Kyiyo, tsa niitapiwa. Niistowa stoyiinatsi aiksokapi. I say niitsiniyiitakii, Talking about kiitokii society in this gooot way. kool gooot ones. OH yeah and like the woman back home will tell the chicken dancers if ur a rooster u scratch.. today i see all these guys dance it they don't scatch they don't even look like Omahktsitahtsipi tahtsipio( Old Style fancy praire chicken...they look like american chickens with there head cut off lol. but yeah Kyiyo said all that needs to be said. aho.. kitakitakmahtsin

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Does this mean you're gonna start up the society again or are these just claims that you got the best chicken dancers!!
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