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Montanaa 01-19-2015 06:35 PM

Can white people dance at powwows?
 
Hi there! I am Montana, 14 years old:)
I'm new to this site. I stumbled upon it while researching about powwows!:) Alright, so I have a question...
Are white people allowed to dance at powwows? I am 'white,' but my mom is native and I have my status card and tribal ID. I've always wanted to dance at a powwow, but I really am not wanting to offend anymore or look like a wannabe there! My mom was a powwow dancer when she was younger. I took after my dads side- blonde hair, but I have my moms face shape and eyes.
My grandma wanted me to, because she is known among the native community around here, but I am too worried.


Sorry if I offend anyone! I asked something like this on Yahoo and got attacked o.o

Best regards!

wardancer 01-19-2015 09:02 PM

This has been discussed here before and most of the time whatever answer is given is not the answer you expect. LOL

Anyone can dance at an inter-tribal powwow. With that said , there will always be some who object.

Now , my question to you : If your mother is native and your grand-mother is native , why do you identify yourself as white ? I am not a full-blood , but I identify as native. My grandmother always said "you are either ndn or not , there is no in between"

It seems to me if you have your tribal ID , then do what you want ! It says you're native.

wanjica_the_one 01-20-2015 11:08 AM

If your grandmother really wanted you to dance. She would have gotten your regalia together and you wouldn't be here asking, you would be dancing.

AmigoKumeyaay 01-20-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Montanaa (Post 1614401)
Hi there! I am Montana, 14 years old:)
I'm new to this site. I stumbled upon it while researching about powwows!:) Alright, so I have a question...
Are white people allowed to dance at powwows? I am 'white,' but my mom is native and I have my status card and tribal ID. I've always wanted to dance at a powwow, but I really am not wanting to offend anymore or look like a wannabe there! My mom was a powwow dancer when she was younger. I took after my dads side- blonde hair, but I have my moms face shape and eyes.
My grandma wanted me to, because she is known among the native community around here, but I am too worried.
Sorry if I offend anyone! I asked something like this on Yahoo and got attacked o.o

Best regards!

You are 14 years old? Welcome to the forum. Did you talk with your mom about the Yahoo
"attack"?

You say your mom is Native, and used to powwow.

You say that you've always wanted to dance powwow.

.....If your grandmother is known around the community, don't they also know YOU?

Don't you know any other teenagers that dance powwow? Your Cousins, or Aunties, uncles?

You list all these connections, but you call yourself "white". Hmmm....

What dance style would you dance? What drum groups you like?

subeeds 01-21-2015 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by wardancer (Post 1614402)
This has been discussed here before and most of the time whatever answer is given is not the answer you expect. LOL

Anyone can dance at an inter-tribal powwow. With that said , there will always be some who object.

Now , my question to you : If your mother is native and your grand-mother is native , why do you identify yourself as white ? I am not a full-blood , but I identify as native. My grandmother always said "you are either ndn or not , there is no in between"

It seems to me if you have your tribal ID , then do what you want ! It says you're native.

This^^^^. I don't understand. If people know your family, why don't they know you, also?

Joe's Dad 01-21-2015 12:00 PM

You see. This is why people don't come back. You gave them these rude answers and you make them feel bad.

Joe's Dad 01-21-2015 12:01 PM

Just saying.

This is me ---->:angel:

AmigoKumeyaay 01-21-2015 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe's Dad (Post 1614446)
You see. This is why people don't come back. You gave them these rude answers and you make them feel bad.

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We don't want to be Jerks...now do we? :lol:

AmigoKumeyaay 01-21-2015 05:34 PM

just kidding !!! ^^^^

AmigoKumeyaay 01-21-2015 05:36 PM

Maybe we got CATFISHED ?

Montanaa 07-25-2015 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AmigoKumeyaay (Post 1614407)
You are 14 years old? Welcome to the forum. Did you talk with your mom about the Yahoo
"attack"?

You say your mom is Native, and used to powwow.

You say that you've always wanted to dance powwow.

.....If your grandmother is known around the community, don't they also know YOU?

Don't you know any other teenagers that dance powwow? Your Cousins, or Aunties, uncles?

You list all these connections, but you call yourself "white". Hmmm....

What dance style would you dance? What drum groups you like?


Hi, sorry for the months late reply... I kind of forgot my password on here and forgot about the site afterwards and just found it again...
It's because my mom stopped dancing when we moved away from my Grandma.I don't know why.
My grandma lives several hours away from us so I don't know the people she knows that well as I visit every so often.
A few of my Aunts dance but they too, live far... well, across Canada from me, to be exact.

And haha, I don't know what to call it. Mixed-raced? Native?

AmigoKumeyaay 07-25-2015 10:24 PM

No worries...

thanks for getting back.

I grew up all over, apart from blood relatives, and culture.


All good, things will work out for you!

OLChemist 07-25-2015 11:31 PM

Welcome back.

As I suspect you already know, phenotype doesn't make an Indian. Nor does paper. Indian relatives and community enculturating you make an Indian. Sounds like you've got that down.

However, as we fair skinned mixed bloods know -- just like our dark-skinned kin -- phenotype is often the first thing strangers use to sort people into "us" and "them" categories. Reflecting on the mists of prehistory, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I seem to recall that at 14 I found it pretty important to fit into the right "us" group. At that age, there was little worse than feeling like the oddball, except being singled out as the misfit. I'm not putting you down for this.

If you are concerned about not fitting in, then I would suggest getting your family to help you out. Perhaps they could get you some tobacco to take to some respected local dancers in the style you want to dance. Take you time and talk to them, maybe you can find a mentor to guide you into the circle. Under the tutelage of an established dancer, you're less likely to face judgement or commit a faux pas when entering the circle.

That is this old lady's free advice. It may only be worth exactly what you paid for it, LOL.

whitecoyote 07-29-2015 06:30 AM

Go Dancing
 
I am non Indian and have been dancing powwow since I was 11. Before I attend a powwow I usually call the contact phone number just to ensure that it is an "open" powwow and that anybody can dance. I've never been turned down, in fact, I've never even heard of a "closed" powwow.

It's been a long time since I have danced in Montana but I remember that the people I met there were very friendly and no one got in my face. By all legal definitions, you seem to be Indian, in fact but remember, blonde hair does not a white man make.

Go dancing and stop thinking about what other people are thinking. Just Dance!
White Coyote

Montanaa 08-04-2015 02:41 PM

Thanks everyone!
I will move forth with being a dancer:) I spot to my mom and she is all up for it as long as I am! Once again, thank you!!!!

Wakayosis 08-06-2015 04:05 PM

You said your family was scattered across Canada? If you are living in one of the bigger Canadian cities you can always drop in at one of the Friendship Centres (aboriginal community centre).

They often have after school/weekend/summer activities for kids. Some even have dancing classes! One place to start. And as most have said, you have "one foot in the door" and are part First Nation, by all means, learn about who you are and your culture!

Good luck!

Montanaa 08-07-2015 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wakayosis (Post 1620146)
You said your family was scattered across Canada? If you are living in one of the bigger Canadian cities you can always drop in at one of the Friendship Centres (aboriginal community centre).

They often have after school/weekend/summer activities for kids. Some even have dancing classes! One place to start. And as most have said, you have "one foot in the door" and are part First Nation, by all means, learn about who you are and your culture!

Good luck!

It turns out there is a Friendship Centre near me! Thank you!!! I will talk to my mom about it! This helped a lot!!

jack2011 08-31-2015 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Montanaa (Post 1614401)

Are white people allowed to dance at powwows?

Yes (at least, at some powwows).
I have seen (100 %) white, blonde-blue eyed whites..... (100%) Black (born in Trinidad, not 1 drop of NDN blood in him) dance at the Six Nations Pow Wow. Not during the Inter-tribal, but in full regalia during competition.

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Originally Posted by wardancer (Post 1614402)

Anyone can dance at an inter-tribal powwow. With that said , there will always be some who object.

Yes.
The practice should be outlawed. Why invite whites and othe non-NDN's to to sully the circle.
In fact, why allow whites and others to attend Pow Wows at all.
Pow Wows = for NDN's only. Stamp out Wannabes (these can go to Germany for their Pow Wows).
:omg_smile

wardancer 08-31-2015 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack2011 (Post 1620736)
In fact, why allow whites and others to attend Pow Wows at all.
Pow Wows = for NDN's only. Stamp out Wannabes (these can go to Germany for their Pow Wows).

:omg_smile

So I guess you'll have to form some ndn police to decide who's ndn and who isn't........sounds like a purist idea.....hmmmm kinda like Hitler !:hypnotize

White Powwow Dancer 08-31-2015 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack2011 (Post 1620736)
Yes (at least, at some powwows).
I have seen (100 %) white, blonde-blue eyed whites..... (100%) Black (born in Trinidad, not 1 drop of NDN blood in him) dance at the Six Nations Pow Wow. Not during the Inter-tribal, but in full regalia during competition.



Yes.
The practice should be outlawed. Why invite whites and othe non-NDN's to to sully the circle.
In fact, why allow whites and others to attend Pow Wows at all.
Pow Wows = for NDN's only. Stamp out Wannabes (these can go to Germany for their Pow Wows).
:omg_smile

What happens when they are married to indians are the booted out?

gilisi 09-01-2015 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack2011 (Post 1620736)
Yes (at least, at some powwows).
I have seen (100 %) white, blonde-blue eyed whites..... (100%) Black (born in Trinidad, not 1 drop of NDN blood in him) dance at the Six Nations Pow Wow. Not during the Inter-tribal, but in full regalia during competition.



Yes.
The practice should be outlawed. Why invite whites and othe non-NDN's to to sully the circle.
In fact, why allow whites and others to attend Pow Wows at all.
Pow Wows = for NDN's only. Stamp out Wannabes (these can go to Germany for their Pow Wows).
:omg_smile

So you only have NDN friends then?

subeeds 09-01-2015 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardancer (Post 1620744)
So I guess you'll have to form some ndn police to decide who's ndn and who isn't........sounds like a purist idea.....hmmmm kinda like Hitler !:hypnotize

No joke, it sounds like Hitler. I'm curious to know how half bloods like me would fit into that grand scheme.

jack2011 09-01-2015 01:09 PM

LOL

Nah, half bloods are still NDN's.

Those whose great, great, great grandmother was a Cherokee princess.....well, different kettle of fish...

jack2011 09-01-2015 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by White Powwow Dancer (Post 1620746)
What happens when they are married to indians are the booted out?

Best to keep those blood lines pure...don't want Custer's blood running in your veins:redface:

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilisi (Post 1620749)
So you only have NDN friends then?

I try to avoid whitey like the plague....unless there is something in it for me.:hypocrite

Joe's Dad 09-01-2015 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack2011 (Post 1620736)
Yes (at least, at some powwows).
I have seen (100 %) white, blonde-blue eyed whites..... (100%) Black (born in Trinidad, not 1 drop of NDN blood in him) dance at the Six Nations Pow Wow. Not during the Inter-tribal, but in full regalia during competition.



Yes.
The practice should be outlawed. Why invite whites and othe non-NDN's to to sully the circle.
In fact, why allow whites and others to attend Pow Wows at all.
Pow Wows = for NDN's only. Stamp out Wannabes (these can go to Germany for their Pow Wows).
:omg_smile

Damn white people.

Toolbox 09-01-2015 09:05 PM

You know that powwows are social events and not ceremonies, right?

Serious question, and this isn't being said in a condescending tone. What involvement do you have at powwows? Do you dance, sing, spectate, vend, craft, emcee, etc?

gilisi 09-02-2015 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack2011 (Post 1620762)
Best to keep those blood lines pure...don't want Custer's blood running in your veins:redface:



I try to avoid whitey like the plague....unless there is something in it for me.:hypocrite

so if a half blood can't find an NDN woman/man, he/she shouldn't procreate? LOL

What about you? You got kidz? just curious....

gilisi 09-02-2015 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jack2011 (Post 1620762)
I try to avoid whitey like the plague....unless there is something in it for me.:hypocrite


Wear a rubber den

gilisi 09-02-2015 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toolbox (Post 1620771)
You know that powwows are social events and not ceremonies, right?

Serious question, and this isn't being said in a condescending tone. What involvement do you have at powwows? Do you dance, sing, spectate, vend, craft, emcee, etc?

The highest blood quantum requirement I have seen to get into a powwow was 1/4...

and that's up to the folks who put up the dollars and work to make it happen ennit?

wardancer 09-02-2015 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilisi (Post 1620780)
The highest blood quantum requirement I have seen to get into a powwow was 1/4...

and that's up to the folks who put up the dollars and work to make it happen ennit?

I was at a powwow onced that asked me for my card.....I showed them my AARP card and they let me right in !:laughing:

Toolbox 09-02-2015 10:21 AM

I was looking at the preregistration form for Hunting Moon powwow and they make no mention of showing any tribal ID card just a valid drivers license or passport and an SS number so Uncle Sam can collect his share if you make over $600.

subeeds 09-03-2015 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack2011 (Post 1620762)
Best to keep those blood lines pure...don't want Custer's blood running in your veins:redface:

Custer had no children. He did have siblings who had kids. I met his great, great nephew once.


I try to avoid whitey like the plague....unless there is something in it for me.:hypocrite

I know some nice white people. My mom was one of them, and my relatives on her side of the family is full of nice white people. I was raised to judge people by whether they are nice, or a$$hats, not by color.

wardancer 09-03-2015 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by subeeds (Post 1620932)
I know some nice white people. My mom was one of them, and my relatives on her side of the family is full of nice white people. I was raised to judge people by whether they are nice, or a$$hats, not by color.

I would agree with that statement , totally and to the word and apply it equally to myself. I would even go farther and say that my Mom's side were nicer people than most anyone I've ever encountered !

gilisi 09-03-2015 11:16 AM

@subeeds, if you had seen this guys old posts... you would have seen he ain't even NDN.... even a little

spoke about maybe being related to one particular tribe because he is part Asian...

SMH

jack2011 09-03-2015 06:59 PM

memories of Winnipeg:sad_smile

jack2011 09-03-2015 07:18 PM

:thumbsup:

subeeds 09-07-2015 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilisi (Post 1620934)
@subeeds, if you had seen this guys old posts... you would have seen he ain't even NDN.... even a little

spoke about maybe being related to one particular tribe because he is part Asian...

SMH

I missed those. So I guess this will be me now :tapedshut :lol:

Joe's Dad 09-07-2015 01:37 PM

Is pws.com webcasting Manito-Ahbee?

AmigoKumeyaay 09-07-2015 05:56 PM

Webcast Schedule

milehighsalute 10-16-2015 12:18 PM

i personally dont have a problem with white people at powwows as long as they STAY WHITE.....thats all

dance an intertribal, participate in round dance and compete in potato dance, buy some jewelry and eat you sum frybread and introduce us to your yummy white women

my problem is when they decide to become indians, or indian know-it-alls and make themselves some regalia

i know there are a few exceptions....maybe someone who grew up with em or whatever....i work with a guy from tulsa who's best friends and neighbors were pawnees on one side, an otoe family on the other and a ponca family across the street and grew up playing with all their kids and would spend the night, go on trips with them and all shed both tears and blood with them all......now he is about 40yrs old and he knows his boundaries and he probably been to more powwows and ate more ndn tacos than your average ndn....when his buddies from tulsa come visit him he gets really excited and shows up to powwows or ndn events with them......thats a good model for how all white people who find themselves in the "inner circle" should be

i live in denver.....i rarely see white people...contrary to popular belief this is a Hispanic town.....except for at work, white people always run the spots dont they?...its mostly a race war here between chicanos and mexicans (if you dont live in the sw united states i dont expect you to understand).........i pretty much experienced the same thing in reverse........i grew up as a chicano the minute i walked out the door to play with other kids....and why not? i have dark skin and a spanish surname so everyone thinks iam chicano anyways.....this allowed my cousin to apply for both ndn AND hispanic grants for her schooling so its not necessarily a bad thing

i got the best of both worlds and the worst of both worlds.....i know my place though and what lines not to cross and when im supposed to remain an ndn......any non-ndn no matter what the color should do the same at powwows

i know powwow is social, and not all that old of a tradition in the grand scheme of things.....but its STILL our "new tradition" and still OUR culture

no one else has the rights to it......besides all of em have hokey looking regalia


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