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Liz Broken Arrow
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I Need Help Finding My Families Taino Tribe
Hi Everyone. Anyone know any of the locations of any Taino Tribes? I am looking for Cheif names or the names of anyone you may know who is active in their tribe, addresses, phone numbers, email address, anything that can help me connect with a live person. I'm especially interested in the Taino Tribes & active organizations of Puerto Rico. Nothing is coming up in google searches or anywhere else.
These are the names of the Taino Tribes: 1- Taino 2- Boriken Taino 3- Kiskeia Taino 4- Bohio Taino 5- Hibaro Taino 6- Sibonel Taino 7- Kuba Taino 8- Guahiro Taino 9- Hamaika Taino 10- Yamaye Taino 11- Taino Arawak 12- Kalinago 13- Karib 14- Lokono Does anyone know the locations of any of these? My grandparents from both sides of my family are Taino, but all 4 are deceased & I cannot find out what tribes and reservations they belonged. I am hoping that someone here may have answers for me. Thank you all in advance for time & help. Peace & Blessings Liz ![]() |
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There aren't reservations on Puerto Rico.
USGS Map showing federal lands on PR For comparison a state with all kinds of federal and reservation lands: USGS Map showing federal and reservation lands in NM The situation for the Taino is much more complicated. Smithsonian Mag: Taino |
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I wish I could find some Taino's here on powwow.com forums. I have requested if there are any here, but apparently not. It would make things so much easier. Thanks again OLChemist. |
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![]() There are lots of places to find this kind of data. There is the somewhat user-unfriendly US Census data. There are maps and other goodies spread over dozens of different areas on the website and in a zillion different formats. Some of the easier to use are: AIANNHA overlay: https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/arcg...NNHA/MapServer Click the View In: 'ArcGIS Online map viewer' link. Then zoom in on your area of interest. Tribal Census Tracts: https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/arcg...acts/MapServer Click the View In: 'ArcGIS Online map viewer' link. Then zoom in on your area of interest. There are also PDF's of the 2010 Census - Tribal Tract Reference Maps. But they are stunningly difficult to access. I've never had the links work and have had to wade through rather painful ranks of directories, hoping to find the most current data. There is the USGS website fro the National Mapping program: https://nationalmap.gov Also not the most direct route to a map. But a very good one. Indeed, it's the source of those maps that you found helpful. But, its' all so much easier than the old days digging in government record depositories, just to find the right thing to order. I still have blueprint tubes full of old topo maps from the USGS. Now, I can get all this with a search engine. But you do miss the serendipitous finds in the next folder over or the next decimal place up or down in the DDC or LC number. Last edited by OLChemist; 09-16-2017 at 10:59 PM.. |
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1) The original storyteller extrapolates from their understanding or experience to fill in missing details. So, they "know" Indians lived on reservations and their great-grandma was an Indian. A miracle then occurs. Quod erat faciendum, great-grandma lived on a reservation! Oddly, this reservation was in whatever state in which great-grandma passed away. Whether or not there is a reservation there. I've had more than my share of arguments with folks who had claimed a Shawnee, Cherokee, Mohegan, Cheyenne, etc great-grandmother whose tombstone was in OH, PA, WV or some other state with no reservations. In the face of data to the contrary, they insist she lived on a reservation in OH, PA, WV, etc. 2) The original storyteller engaged in wish fulfillment and created the Native in the family tree. They told their friends, their children, anyone who'd listen about their Indian roots. Their child then told their children about their Indian ancestor. Now these children are looking for their ancestors. There is no way their mom and nana could have lied to them! So, they search for a non-exisitant Indian. 3). People misinterpret Indian census rolls. Folks got enrolled, disenrolled, turned down.... People are mistaken about names. Last edited by OLChemist; 09-17-2017 at 07:59 AM.. |
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Liz, please be prepared to find "facts" which may be disturbing to you but it is not your fault. You can not change the past but may give the future a better chance.
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Those who know do not write and those who write may not know. Frank W. Louis, No such Agency True peace between nations will only happen when there is true peace within people’s souls. Black Elk “Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” Lakota Proverb God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time, Enjoying one moment at a time, Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace. (Reinhold Niebuhr, but the origin is debated) |
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You should save some money, buy a plane ticket, and go. Go to the place where your people were/are. If you do this, you might just find what you're looking for. If your ancestors want you to know who you are, you will know. Documents and written histories can be valuable and very helpful to confirm/discern fact from fiction, but I believe alot of people are dissapointed even when they gain their CDIB cards because they don't REALLY identify with the people.
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When you are dead you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid. "Show me somethin" |
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Broken Arrow, thank you so much for your support. It means a lot to me. I am prepared. Nervous, but prepared nonetheless to find out whatever facts may come my way. I just want to find out the truth, and hopefully find out why my family has been so shady about all of this. I wish I could speak to my mom, but I cannot. My mom was the one who initially told me about her mom being Taino, but very little about our ancestors since when she told me, she was on the early onset of dementia and wanted me to know before her mind was completely gone. At least all that she could remember at the time. Her mom died when my mom was about 10 to 13 years old, and her family shipped her off to New York to live with other family. All of my mothers siblings where all separated by the family when my grandmother passed away. The truth, I still do not know why. One thing that is for sure, that no matter how much time, how many years pass by, the truth always comes to light. My mother has dementia and I can't really get answers from her because her mind is not what is used to be. She'll be 81 soon and has mental health issues now with the dementia. I have had to find most everything on my own with no help from family. I look forward to finding out what comes out from my tribal registration form whether it's positive or negative. Will keep you posted too. Thanks again for the support. ![]() |
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![]() Walk your way, you will find out may be in small peaces and with slow pace. You will find your particular obstacles and reasons. While the are different in detail the human reasons for that acting may be less different. May God and the Creator lead you.
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Those who know do not write and those who write may not know. Frank W. Louis, No such Agency True peace between nations will only happen when there is true peace within people’s souls. Black Elk “Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” Lakota Proverb God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time, Enjoying one moment at a time, Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace. (Reinhold Niebuhr, but the origin is debated) |
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I hope you understand that there is NO Taino & Carib Indian Tribe that is legally US Federally Recognized and that the PR Commonwealth Govt. does not officially recognize any Taino/Arawak & Carib Tribe on the Island either. This has nothing to do with your family & who your ancestors were. All PR Tainos aren't legally recognized by the BIA as an American Indian Tribe. There are a number of Taino “social friendship clubs”, “cultural organizations” & “political action groups” (they call themselves different things); NONE of these groups/entities can offer you “tribal enrollment” that is LEGALLY considered by the US Govt./BIA to be as belonging to a US Federally Recognized American Indian Tribe. The membership you are buying is basically no different than Sam’s Club or a gym membership. It’s akin to paying a fee to become a member of the Girl Scouts kind of thing. For example, I have ZERO Taino blood & if I pay $30/person to the United Confederation of Taino People, they would give me a membership & issue me what they call a “tribal id”. There are a number of for-profit corporations & non-profit charities that use weasel words to make it look like they offer “tribal enrollment” in their "official registry" or what they call an "affiliate" to their "inter-tribal indigenous nations", but these are basically scams in that they cannot offer you membership/enrollment in any US Federally Recognized American Indian/Native American Tribe. BTW…The reason why there are no reservations in PR & no treaties with Taino/Arawak/Caribs is because the US Military invaded, took it over & occupied Puerto Rico during the Spanish/American War in1898. After the war, the US Govt. acquired it as a possession from Spain as a concession. |
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Thank you, I've been grappling with how to word this myself. I've never understood this obsession with a card. Paper doesn't make an Indian. Enculturation makes an Indian. Kin makes an Indian. Language makes an Indian. I would caution you, be very careful how you use that ID. These cards are not real federally recognized tribal ID's. The numbers on them indicate enrollment in a federally recognized tribe. In one of your earlier threads you mentioned education benefits. Understand that almost all of those require enrollment in a federally recognized tribe. I put the phrase federally recognized in bold because it has import in Native America. It means your tribe has a particular legal relationship with the US government. Enrolled members of those tribes have particular legal standing within US law. Tribal ID card and CDIB's are markers of this relationship. Without them, you're outside those legal boundaries. The recognition process wasn't perfect. It left people out. It wasn't irreversible. Ask @eagleclanriverband she can tell you all about termination. Before someone starts the "I don't need no stinking Fed to tell me I'm Indian." I never claimed that you needed that be part of a Native community. May I suggest Steven Pevar's book for a relatively painless introduction to the legal landscape of Native America. Rights of Indian Tribes |
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You have spoken good words. It reminds me of the white people when they say they are 'tribal members' of the 'Cherokee Nation of the French All's. Poor people. Trying so hard to belong. To the Taino lady. Search for your family, not your identity. Your will find more comfort that way.
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Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat? "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder". Mr. Rossie Freeman |
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As for all of the info that you have given me about my Taino people, I can honestly tell you that I did not know all of that and I thank you for bringing that up to me and I will take that and research more so that I can learn more. Again, someway or another, I will figure all of this out. Now for the Taino Tribal registration, when I found the organization that I sent my blood test and registration to, they stated that they are registered with the government and that they are recognized. Here is where I'm a little weary because you mentioned that I am being misled by them. I found 3 Taino organizations in Puerto Rico last night. Unfortunately, I cannot contact them yet because I don't know if you heard, but Puerto Rico lost all power and phone services in these days when they got hit with Hurricane Maria. I cannot even get a hold of my family there to find out if they're okay, alive and well. Are you telling me that the Taino Tribal Org's in PR are a scam as well? How would I find that out? How would I find out about the Tribal Org that I applied too? How did you get all of this information? My gosh, I'm all over the internet trying to find out info, and I hit brick walls, and when I do find something, apparently it's not legit. Apparently I must not be searching properly. Can you expand on that? So if and when I get approved to any Taino Tribal Org, it's all fake? They're all fake. I don't understand. The Taino Tribal Org that I applied to hold events and perform at Pow Wow's. What am I missing here? I am still so confused. I mean, on the one hand I understand everything that you told me and I believe you, but on the other hand, I am still confused because they hold events and recently found out that they do perform at Pow Wow's. So how do I investigate if the organization I applied to is legit or not? Thanks again for your feedback eagleclanriverband. I appreciate it. |
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![]() As for your comment that Taino's don't Jingle Dance. Yes, I know that. I know the type of dances that they do. I've seen it. I however, gravitated to Jingle Dancing. It's what I am learning. It's what I love. I don't think that there is anything wrong with that. If there is, let me know. Peace and blessings Joe's Dad. Thank you for your comments and feedback. |
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