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Picture of my Children's Great Great Grandmother With Indian Artifacts

I have been researching my childrens' Indian heritage for a number of years now, but haven't been able to find the information that I am looking for. Their Great Great Grandmother Ellen D. Cannedy Pitchford Wood Range had grandparents that were full Indian. Her grandfather was an Indian Chief and I have a picture of her holding a Golden Eagle wing with head attached and a white wolf's skin laying next to her.

Ellen's Grandmother was Elizabeth Jane Dyer and her father was James Dyer. They were both born in Tennessee. I find Dyers on the lists, but don't see a connection to them, but don't know for sure if I have the right James Dyer I have been researching - father Matthew Dyer.

Ellen's Grandmother on her father's (Oliver Houston Pierce Cannedy)side was Eliza Grizzle. Her father was Herod Grizzle.
They were also in Tennessee.

Ellen told one family member that they were Sac and Fox. I think the history of our families are so interesting and I would like to be able to find out more information. Does anyone have any suggestions. Tina
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I have been researching my childrens' Indian heritage for a number of years now, but haven't been able to find the information that I am looking for. Their Great Great Grandmother Ellen D. Cannedy Pitchford Wood Range had grandparents that were full Indian. Her grandfather was an Indian Chief and I have a picture of her holding a Golden Eagle wing with head attached and a white wolf's skin laying next to her.

Ellen's Grandmother was Elizabeth Jane Dyer and her father was James Dyer. They were both born in Tennessee. I find Dyers on the lists, but don't see a connection to them, but don't know for sure if I have the right James Dyer I have been researching - father Matthew Dyer.

Ellen's Grandmother on her father's (Oliver Houston Pierce Cannedy)side was Eliza Grizzle. Her father was Herod Grizzle.
They were also in Tennessee.

Ellen told one family member that they were Sac and Fox. I think the history of our families are so interesting and I would like to be able to find out more information. Does anyone have any suggestions. Tina
Looking in the Federal Census sections for natives prior to 1900 is like looking for a needle in a haystack. For in most parts of the country Natives were not Citizens of the US but members of sovereign nations and in some case considered hostile to the US.
For instance the Sac and Fox tribe you speak of is actually a tribe made up from two separate and distinct tribes: Sauk tribe originally made there home in the Ohio River valley in Ohio and Indiana and with Western expansion in the late 1700 to early 1800's were slowly pushed west. The Fox tribe were a smaller tribe that was almost wiped out and went to live with the Sauks in the early 1800's. As far as I know they were never counted on the Federal census until after 1900. They also mainly lived farther north of Tennessee. The Cherokee, Yuchi and Shawnees made there home in Tennessee up to the 1810 and thru a series of Wars were forced out and moved outward and onward. In Fact most Cherokees were out of Tennessee after about 1820 and those that the white settlers found still living along the rivers were shot on sight.
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You may want to check on the validity of that wing being Golden Eagle.

It looks very much like a left wing from a Red-Tailed Hawk.
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You may want to check on the validity of that wing being Golden Eagle.

It looks very much like a left wing from a Red-Tailed Hawk.
Here you go JD, pics of a Golden's wing groupings:

From here: Birds Of Alberta: Golden Eagle
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Welcome to the site Susette:

We have several forums that discuss ancestors and their descendants. Please have a look around there - you might find a few bits of info useful.

While many, many families describe their ancestors as being an Indian Princess, what your photo reveals is more akin to a hunter and trappper's yeild from a good season. I note in the background of the pic that there seems to be a drawing/painting of a wolf? Perhaps your ancestor was a painter and had these furs and feathers on hand to see the details often needed by realism/wildlife painters. What I'm trying to say is that you don't necessarily have "Indian" artifacts but rather the tools of an artist or the trade of a trapper.

In my people's early photos, luxuries such as an unused wolf pelt or raw wing of an eagle would be considered wasteful of the resources... my ancestors would have had that wolf pelt made into something warm as soon as the tanning was complete or sold to the fur trapper's market. We did not decorate our homes with animal bits...that is a much later in the 20th century phenom.
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I believe you to be correct !
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This may be a more authentic picture. Note the feathers on the fan and dance stick. And if you could see the back, you would see an inner layer bustle of Red Tail wings.
Hey , Is that Joe ??? Or Joe's Dad as a boy ??? Inquiring minds want to know !!!!
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I believe this is a Cooper's or Sharp Shinned Hawk.

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That's my son, Joe, at about 4 or 5 years old. He's the one getting low Tradish Style. Him and the other little boy, Nakoma, danced against each other for many years.

My son told me he's getting another outfit ready. We've been able to gather most his stuff. He should be getting a new roach along the same lines as mine later this month.
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There are some on here that think we don't know the difference between hawk and eagle feathers......obviously they don't know how many we've taken apart in our lives ! just sayin'
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The pictures were posted so that JD could use visuals to explain to the OP what he meant by the difference between species.

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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

but there's a bigger

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