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Old 12-04-2016, 09:46 PM   #1
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Standing Rock won!

I'm so happy! I would give ya'll the news article but I don't know how to put it on this site yet.
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Yes, we won a battle and this order will stand as long as Obama is president. Now it is time to regroup and prepare for the rest of the war.

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Yes, we won a battle and this order will stand as long as Obama is president. Now it is time to regroup and prepare for the rest of the war.

"When the new sheriff is sworn in, all bets are off!"
Color me a cynic, but this meme I came across on FB pretty much says what I feel about this.
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yeah, that company is saying now they are still going to break ground and pay any associated fines for breaking the law.

SMH...
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Monday morning the DAPL went into federal court to file against the USACE.

Army Corps of Engineers are pretty much the top experts on any watershed project,
so be interesting how their opinion gets pushed out of the way.
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This is info from 2011, from the 1980 US Supreme Court settlement ruling on US v. Sioux Nation of Indians, (settled in 1980, first filing was around 1920 GEEZ!)

Sioux refusal to accept the money awarded

The Sioux have declined to accept the money,[32] because acceptance would legally terminate Sioux demands for return of the Black Hills. The money remains in a Bureau of Indian Affairs account accruing compound interest.

As of 24 August 2011 the Sioux interest on their money has compounded to over ONE billion dollars!

Is it just the Black Hills area? or all of the Great Sioux Reservation defined by 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty?
I have seen "unceded lands" term used to describe different areas.
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if its over why it there still a heavy police presence protecting the criminals?

if its over why the criminals still at work instead of packing up and going home?

if its over why is 1806 still blocked?
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..... You guys make some valid points and know better than I do. Still, I like to have hope that standing Rock will win in the end. Things are changing...slowly but surely.
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Is it just the Black Hills area? or all of the Great Sioux Reservation defined by 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty? I have seen "unceded lands" term used to describe different areas.
The 1851 Reservation was roughly bounded by the Missouri, Cannonball, Little Missouri, Powder, North Platte rivers and a line between the forks of the North and South Platte, and Missouri and White rivers. In 1886, the western boundary was assigned to 104.05 deg W longitude, and the southern to roughly 43 deg N latitude. Then in 1877, the western boundary was shifted east to roughly 103 deg W longitude and the section between the Bell Fourche and the Cheyenne Rivers was lost.

I was always told that the difference between the 1851 and 1868 boundaries was the unceded hunting lands. (I've also been told that the 1851 boundaries extended further into NE and over to the Mississippi. But, the Pawnee might dispute that :) ) It is my understanding that the money is the 1877 per acre market value and 5% interest for all the lands taken in 1877.

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I'm seeing stuff on FB from different people and groups at Standing Rock and the area, that they are still drilling and working on the pipeline.
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yeah, that company is saying now they are still going to break ground and pay any associated fines for breaking the law.
Since Energy Transfer Partners is motivated by $$PROFIT$$, it seems to me they've made a financial calculation of risk that the associated fines they expect to incur are not going to be a problem to their bottom-line with an expectation that Trump's new administration will have the Army Corp. of Engineers issue an easement.

They are coin operated. Therefore, IMHO, if the fines were jacked up to be cost prohibitive (say, $500 Million a day) AND mandatory jail time for all ETP corporate officers, Board of Directors, et al, maybe then ETP might be dissuaded & choose a different path.
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The 1851 Reservation was roughly bounded by the Missouri, Cannonball, Little Missouri, Powder, North Platte rivers and a line between the forks of the North and South Platte, and Missouri and White rivers. In 1886, the western boundary was assigned to 104.05 deg W longitude, and the southern to roughly 43 deg N latitude. Then in 1877, the western boundary was shifted east to roughly 103 deg W longitude and the section between the Bell Fourche and the Cheyenne Rivers was lost.

I was always told that the difference between the 1851 and 1868 boundaries was the unceded hunting lands. (I've also been told that the 1851 boundaries extended further into NE and over to the Mississippi. But, the Pawnee might dispute that :) ) It is my understanding that the money is the 1877 per acre market value and 5% interest for all the lands taken in 1877.

Nat Geo map of "Sioux" rezs over the years
Thanks! I have a Nat Geo account, but it won't let me access this link, bounces me to the present...I'll figger it out later.
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INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE CENTRAL TO THESE BATTLES
No group seems more galvanized now than North America's indigenous communities.

"I think what we're seeing is a shift in the face of what has been called 'environmentalism' to a different thing that is led by indigenous people and grounded in some fundamental notions about justice," says Jan Hasselman, the Earthjustice attorney who represented the Standing Rock Sioux. "From where I sit, it's very much about oil spills and who bears the risk."

At the center of much of this is Brian Cladoosby, leader of Washington State's Swinomish Tribe and president of the National Congress of American Indians. He helped the Lummi fight the proposed coal export terminal in Puget Sound. He encouraged other tribes to come to Standing Rock.

Whether the Army Corps’s decision on the Dakota Access pipeline will stand under the Trump Administration is unclear. In declining to grant an easement for the pipeline to cross the Missouri a half mile north of the Standing Rock Sioux reservation, the Corps decided that a complete Environmental Impact Statement should be done, including a “robust consideration of reasonable alternatives.”

The main alternative considered previously was a crossing 10 miles north of Bismarck, North Dakota. Concern about threats to the city’s water supply was one reason that route was rejected, according to the Bismarck Tribune.

That decision and the lack of a thorough review angers and amazes Cladoosby. It fits the historical pattern, he says.

"For the last 100 years, we've been living under a pollution-based economy," Cladoosby says. “We've seen our water degraded, our soil degraded, and our air degraded. Much of this has happened in Indian country, or on former Indian lands or on stolen Indian lands. Many tribes have had infrastructure projects happen on, in, or near their homelands without them even having a say. Pipelines were constructed, refineries were built, easements were given away without the tribes even being consulted.

"Basically, now, we've said enough is enough."
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