[gilisi]

I have noticed that lately, seems like a couple times a week, I see another set of beadwork and or Eagle/Hawk feathers stolen at a powwow.

Has it always been like this?

Is there some kind of underground powwow where dancers dance in stolen regalia?

Are they selling it to the highest bidders in Europe?



This leads to another question/thought. I really can't picture a feather thief stealing these feathers to make regalia for themselves... I mean if they have taken it to that level, it's prolly for money right?

[subeeds]

Originally Posted by gilisi

I have noticed that lately, seems like a couple times a week, I see another set of beadwork and or Eagle/Hawk feathers stolen at a powwow.

Has it always been like this?

Is there some kind of underground powwow where dancers dance in stolen regalia?

Are they selling it to the highest bidders in Europe?



This leads to another question/thought. I really can't picture a feather thief stealing these feathers to make regalia for themselves... I mean if they have taken it to that level, it's prolly for money right?

I don't know if it's awlays been this way, but there's always been a black market for collectibles, especially in Europe. I'm guessing that a lot of this stolen stuff could be going there. I would hardly think anybody would steal it to wear to a Powwow-to easily recognized. I would bet that the feathers fetch a high price in Europe.

I remember reading a long time ago, about some really wealthy European who had millions and millions of black market Old Masters art work in a hidden cellar/room of some sort. I don't remember how he got busted, but he did. I can just picture some regalia in some locked away room, only to be admired by one person. How awful.

[Toolbox]

The way I see it is that there are enough jealous people out there or people who are so competitive that they would cheat in any way possible to limit the competition. They steal beadwork and outfits and feathers of people they think will give them a run for their money out in the arena. As Puff Daddy once said "It's all about the Benjamins". Those people lack good sportsmanship as well as they have absolutely no respect for their culture.

I also imagine that a small percentage of regalia and feathers are stolen by spectators as a souvenir.

[Spiritflight]

Originally Posted by Toolbox

The way I see it is that there are enough jealous people out there or people who are so competitive that they would cheat in any way possible to limit the competition. They steal beadwork and outfits and feathers of people they think will give them a run for their money out in the arena. As Puff Daddy once said "It's all about the Benjamins". Those people lack good sportsmanship as well as they have absolutely no respect for their culture.

I also imagine that a small percentage of regalia and feathers are stolen by spectators as a souvenir.

I don't like jealousy nor competition but it's okay, if others like competitions, can be fun or for a good reason.

[AmigoKumeyaay]

I think it was Fort Yuma Pow Woiw where a family spoke about finding

somebody's feathers completely unattended,

so they are keeping them for a year to teach that person a lesson.

Guess that's better than the feathers completely gone by thieves?

[milehighsalute]

you know......at an idle no more event i found a hand drum and stick someone left behind.......i asked around the people who were still there who it belonged to, a family friend approached me and said "dont worry about it, its YOURS"....well later i posted on our indian community facebook with a pic and asked if anyone wanted to claim ownership.....i got a call from that friend who was like "i TOLD you its YOURS" and passed the phone to an elder i respect, and he told me its just like regalia, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO WATCH OR ARRANGE FOR SOMEONE TO WATCH YOUR STUFF.............so while i DO think whoever steals regailia...ESPECIALLY FEATHERS, is a lowlife....but if you were watching your stuff like you are supposed to then well.....too bad

now if someone breaks and enters a car, campsite, house and steals then thats a whole different story

im talking about those who take off their roach and bustles and walk away to the portapotty, the frybread stand, and snagging and found their stuff missing from their seat

thoughts?

[wardancer]

Originally Posted by gilisi

I have noticed that lately, seems like a couple times a week, I see another set of beadwork and or Eagle/Hawk feathers stolen at a powwow.

Has it always been like this?

Is there some kind of underground powwow where dancers dance in stolen regalia?

Are they selling it to the highest bidders in Europe?



This leads to another question/thought. I really can't picture a feather thief stealing these feathers to make regalia for themselves... I mean if they have taken it to that level, it's prolly for money right?

Well , there are several different issues here. First off , I think anyone that picks up any regalia that doesn't belong to them , is a lowlife Bast-turd !
As far as beadwork , check the local pawn. There are all types of jealousy and envy out there in contest land. There is also unemployment and alcohol and drug use. Someone can pick up a beaded bag or hairties or whatever , take it to the local pawn ,"borrow" on it , never go back and it's out of sight for at least 90 days. Easy money.
Feathers are a different issue. Fans and bustles can be dis-assembled , re-worked , or should I say re-invented and who can say where those came from. Hard to mark feathers and with so many out there.....how would you know if it was yours ?
Some of the older folks can remember when this was a rare occurrence. You could take something off , lay it in your spot on the bench or in your chair and no one dared to bother it. Times change and so has morality and respect. Now days you don't dare lay anything down without fear of losing it.

Originally Posted by AmigoKumeyaay

I think it was Fort Yuma Pow Woiw where a family spoke about finding

somebody's feathers completely unattended,

so they are keeping them for a year to teach that person a lesson.

Guess that's better than the feathers completely gone by thieves?

If I hang my feathers on the wall and go eat supper and come back and they are gone , and some dumb chit says " , they were unattended so we took them" , they better be ready to hand them over or fight , one of the 2 ! Again , lack of respect. Don't touch my stuff without permission. Now , it's different if I leave it when I go home and forget to take it with me....then it's my bad ! We have always said about Eagle feathers : " As long as you treat those feathers good , they will stay with you. If you don't , they will leave you. Always treat your feathers with respect or they will leave and go with someone else." I am proud that I have NEVER lost a feather ! The only ones that leave me are the ones I give away !

[wardancer]

Originally Posted by milehighsalute

you know......at an idle no more event i found a hand drum and stick someone left behind.......i asked around the people who were still there who it belonged to, a family friend approached me and said "dont worry about it, its YOURS"....well later i posted on our indian community facebook with a pic and asked if anyone wanted to claim ownership.....i got a call from that friend who was like "i TOLD you its YOURS" and passed the phone to an elder i respect, and he told me its just like regalia, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO WATCH OR ARRANGE FOR SOMEONE TO WATCH YOUR STUFF.............so while i DO think whoever steals regailia...ESPECIALLY FEATHERS, is a lowlife....but if you were watching your stuff like you are supposed to then well.....too bad

now if someone breaks and enters a car, campsite, house and steals then thats a whole different story

im talking about those who take off their roach and bustles and walk away to the portapotty, the frybread stand, and snagging and found their stuff missing from their seat

thoughts?

Hey , I think that was mine ! Go ahead and send it back to me !

[wardancer]

Originally Posted by milehighsalute

you know......at an idle no more event i found a hand drum and stick someone left behind.......i asked around the people who were still there who it belonged to, a family friend approached me and said "dont worry about it, its YOURS"....well later i posted on our indian community facebook with a pic and asked if anyone wanted to claim ownership.....i got a call from that friend who was like "i TOLD you its YOURS" and passed the phone to an elder i respect, and he told me its just like regalia, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO WATCH OR ARRANGE FOR SOMEONE TO WATCH YOUR STUFF.............so while i DO think whoever steals regailia...ESPECIALLY FEATHERS, is a lowlife....but if you were watching your stuff like you are supposed to then well.....too bad

now if someone breaks and enters a car, campsite, house and steals then thats a whole different story

im talking about those who take off their roach and bustles and walk away to the portapotty, the frybread stand, and snagging and found their stuff missing from their seat

thoughts?

Now days that is exactly right !

[C&HBrownsugar]

Interesting thread. If I go to the arena with my family or with my sister, I'm the one that watches all of our stuff. I'm the one that usually just fringes or I'm sitting there beading. I do dance with my sister if she is on headstaff. But our family is big enough that there is always someone watching our stuff.

I see things posted from time to time on facebook about regalia coming up missing. Whole suitcases. I know sometimes that you are tired after the dance and think it's safe to leave in your van or in the trunk. DON'T. People watch you. Take it into the room with you. Better to be safe than sorry.

[ANNA NICOLE]

Originally Posted by C&HBrownsugar

. I know sometimes that you are tired after the dance and think it's safe to leave in your van or in the trunk. DON'T. People watch you. Take it into the room with you. Better to be safe than sorry.

I agree wholly with this post. When I first got married -we went to a powwow and came home late on a sunday night. locked the car up and went to bed. Next morning - our stuff was gone. That feeling of loss was SICKENING!! We were lucky that my nephew found it in a port-a-potty a block from my moms house....and ever since that experience - no matter how tired we are or where we are - all the dance stuff comes in. nothing is left in the car. NOTHING!! we might be moving our suitcases in at 2 am - but i'm not losing my dance stuff again!

[gilisi]

well, this guy came and stole our NDN tacos one time.... my daughter was crying

[milehighsalute]

Originally Posted by gilisi

well, this guy came and stole our NDN tacos one time.... my daughter was crying

i may have been guilty of stealing an indian taco or two myself......dont judge me

[White Powwow Dancer]

I think I found a solution to the stolen dance outfit problem use Bluetooth trackers https://www.google.com/search?q=blue...acker&tbm=shop with your smart phone.

[Niigig]

I am a newbie and know next to nothing, so please correct me if this is not good advice... But I once owned a set of permanent markers purchased from canada off ebay, I don't remember what they were called exactly, but they were VERY permanent, weatherproof markers that had 100% completely invisible ink. They came with 2 LED keychains (black lights) that you shine over the marked item, and the marker glows bright blue. I used them very, very successfully on MANY items, and never had a single problem, not once. They never ruined or dissolved anything, they never washed off, not even with oil. I have never owned my own regalia and I don't know a lot about it... Still learning... But this could possibly be an option for some if they are very concerned about having their regalia stolen. If it were me, I would mark it with some sort of symbol rather than a name or number, that way if it is passed on to someone else, they will still be able to link it to themselves. What I did was color my thumb with the marker, then quick press it to whatever I wanted to mark, so that it left my thumbprint. I then put a normal black-ink thumbprint on an index card and kept it in my back pocket in case I ever had to prove something had been stolen. Unfortunately... Or fortunately... I never had anything taken and never had a real use for the markers other than just playing with them and marking things.

To this day my name is written in cursive on our middle school auditorium wall, very large. I am still waiting for them to do some sort of concert or play with blacklights and see if anyone notices it.

If this is inappropriate treatment for regalia, please correct me, I am still very ignorant and uneducated on pretty much everything.

[milehighsalute]

Originally Posted by Niigig

I am a newbie and know next to nothing, so please correct me if this is not good advice... But I once owned a set of permanent markers purchased from canada off ebay, I don't remember what they were called exactly, but they were VERY permanent, weatherproof markers that had 100% completely invisible ink. They came with 2 LED keychains (black lights) that you shine over the marked item, and the marker glows bright blue. I used them very, very successfully on MANY items, and never had a single problem, not once. They never ruined or dissolved anything, they never washed off, not even with oil. I have never owned my own regalia and I don't know a lot about it... Still learning... But this could possibly be an option for some if they are very concerned about having their regalia stolen. If it were me, I would mark it with some sort of symbol rather than a name or number, that way if it is passed on to someone else, they will still be able to link it to themselves. What I did was color my thumb with the marker, then quick press it to whatever I wanted to mark, so that it left my thumbprint. I then put a normal black-ink thumbprint on an index card and kept it in my back pocket in case I ever had to prove something had been stolen. Unfortunately... Or fortunately... I never had anything taken and never had a real use for the markers other than just playing with them and marking things.

To this day my name is written in cursive on our middle school auditorium wall, very large. I am still waiting for them to do some sort of concert or play with blacklights and see if anyone notices it.

If this is inappropriate treatment for regalia, please correct me, I am still very ignorant and uneducated on pretty much everything.

are you sure youre a teenager? you speak like a pretty smart adult........you catfishing us?

[Niigig]

Originally Posted by milehighsalute

are you sure youre a teenager? you speak like a pretty smart adult........you catfishing us?

I can't tell if you are making fun of me or not LOL! If not... Thank you.

[wyo_rose]

Most of the regalia stolen around here ends up in the pawn shops.

[wardancer]

Originally Posted by wyo_rose

Most of the regalia stolen around here ends up in the pawn shops.

And that means it will probably be out of sight for at least 90 days ! Some places is 120. Depends on the State law. There a deadline and a grace period before the pawn shop can re-sell the item.

[gilisi]

anybody round here ever buy your own stuff back?