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Old 06-21-2016, 02:23 PM   #1
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Symbol of harmony

Hello folks! Some time ago I was sent a link to an article about harmony by a good friend of mine.
Native American Religions: Balance and Harmony | Native American Netroots
I loved what I read, and I later came upon what was broadly called a native symbol for harmony (Im not too savy enough on computers to add the image to this, but if you google those words the image comes up).

I would like to consider getting this tattooed on me, and I would like to get any information about this image from those who might have knowledge to share. Who uses this image? etc.

I have no native genes in me (I am german and irish), and I would like to know if this would be considered an okay thing to do. I would like to practice the utmost respect and humility when considering this symbol as a tattoo. Thank you for any insight you may have.

Love -Jack
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First, welcome to powwows.com.


To misquote Yogi Berra -- it's Groundhog Day all over again.

Please read, particularly the stuff I wrote in the first thread about sources of symbols identified as Native and appropriation:

Another contravercial tattoo question.

The Mountain symbol?

A question about tattoos


As for the link in your post, well what can I say about a 1500 word summary of the religious diversity of Native North America... Superficial springs to mind.

Let me illustrate: I read this really cool webpage about this European religion. They have lots of demigods that you pray to for different things, like San Francesco d'Assisi for protecting animals. And there is a goddess named Virgin Mary. They have a ceremony where they believe they eat the body of one of their gods.

Did I miss a few things? Did I distort the heck out of major cultural influence in the West?

Our cultures are not easily known. There is no book or webpage or "Takes-American-Express shaman" that can give you a true insight into our ways and beliefs. We guard these things jealously and do not readily share them with outsiders. Not out of racism or spite, but because our original instructions and ethical systems teach respect and caution around the sacred, by restricting religious knowledge to those who need to know.

To learn a portion of the teachings of a single tribe takes us a lifetime. It takes outsiders years of exposure and community acceptance to gain an understanding of aspects of a community's lifeways. What you get on the web is at best a faint reflection, at worst a lie.

Consider then whether:

1) You have a right to use our symbols (should you actually have stumbled on a legitimate one)?

2) You want to go to the grave with a lie or incomplete truth written on your flesh?
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First, welcome to powwows.com.


To misquote Yogi Berra -- it's Groundhog Day all over again.

Please read, particularly the stuff I wrote in the first thread about sources of symbols identified as Native and appropriation:

Another contravercial tattoo question.

The Mountain symbol?

A question about tattoos


As for the link in your post, well what can I say about a 1500 word summary of the religious diversity of Native North America... Superficial springs to mind.

Let me illustrate: I read this really cool webpage about this European religion. They have lots of demigods that you pray to for different things, like San Francesco d'Assisi for protecting animals. And there is a goddess named Virgin Mary. They have a ceremony where they believe they eat the body of one of their gods.

Did I miss a few things? Did I distort the heck out of major cultural influence in the West?

Our cultures are not easily known. There is no book or webpage or "Takes-American-Express shaman" that can give you a true insight into our ways and beliefs. We guard these things jealously and do not readily share them with outsiders. Not out of racism or spite, but because our original instructions and ethical systems teach respect and caution around the sacred, by restricting religious knowledge to those who need to know.

To learn a portion of the teachings of a single tribe takes us a lifetime. It takes outsiders years of exposure and community acceptance to gain an understanding of aspects of a community's lifeways. What you get on the web is at best a faint reflection, at worst a lie.

Consider then whether:

1) You have a right to use our symbols (should you actually have stumbled on a legitimate one)?

2) You want to go to the grave with a lie or incomplete truth written on your flesh?

I think that was a fantastic response, and I want to thank you for your insight. I think it would be more appropriate for me to create my own image from my life and experiences to represent what harmony and balance means to me as an individual.
Thank you! -Jack
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I thought that guy was your cuzzin !
(wd runs from the room ducking as OLChemist's shoe bounces off the wall)wd calls back" That's not being very harmonious !
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Holy crap, you guys, I understand that it gets old after a while, but jiminy crickets, that guy was being so nice and polite, and genuinely concerned about doing the right thing... Did you really have to respond like that?
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I thought the OP took it quite well !
I just like teasing my good friend OC. Did you read the same thread as the rest of us ?
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Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

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I admit I was mildly hyperbolic, but I didn't think I was too harsh. My apologies if I offended. Chalk it up to unpaid cultural educator fatigue.

As for Wardancer, as much trouble as i have finding shoes that fit, I don't throw my shoes over such minor provocation. And we can't pick our cousins, LOL.
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I think all responses were fair, and they were certainly appreciated. Sometimes us white folks need a shoe thrown at us to remind us to stay on track! Thanks everyone
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I admit I was mildly hyperbolic, but I didn't think I was too harsh. My apologies if I offended. Chalk it up to unpaid cultural educator fatigue.

As for Wardancer, as much trouble as i have finding shoes that fit, I don't throw my shoes over such minor provocation. And we can't pick our cousins, LOL.
I was hyperbolic once. Took some medicine and was fine a couple of days later.

When I read this thread about harmony and tattoos, I thought of Rodney King. The cops tattooed the sh!t out of him and then he says, "Can't we all get along?".

What is the harmony symbol for black people?
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I was hyperbolic once. Took some medicine and was fine a couple of days later.

When I read this thread about harmony and tattoos, I thought of Rodney King. The cops tattooed the sh!t out of him and then he says, "Can't we all get along?".

What is the harmony symbol for black people?
Hmmmmm.........
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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

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Sorry , sometimes you just can't help yourself !
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There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

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Sometimes I assume that everyone is as overly sensitive and easily butthurt as I am. Whoops. Sorry.
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Sorry , sometimes you just can't help yourself !
And then they can't say anything cuz you're an oppressed minority.
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And then they can't say anything cuz you're an oppressed minority.
I think I'm chronically oppressed ! Is there a good medicine for that ? Are there specialists that can treat it ? Can I get disability because of it ? Inquiring minds need to know !
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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

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jackham I think the only symbol that universally means strength/harmony yet expresses our sadness would be a wounded bear..........get a tattoo of a wounded bear

take pics and attach it please when you are done and show us all here
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I think that was a fantastic response, and I want to thank you for your insight. I think it would be more appropriate for me to create my own image from my life and experiences to represent what harmony and balance means to me as an individual.
Thank you! -Jack


since you are part Irish, consider the celtic/gael dual spiral symbol meaning "balance & harmony" going back thousands of years
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I would just like to say, ALL ndns are harmonious.
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I think OL chemist did a good job explaining things and Jack, I'm part Irish as well so I suggest looking up some Celtic Knotwork for a tattoo Idea or maybe the word"Harmony in Gaelic.
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How can i find out my harmony symbol?
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