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Old 07-17-2006, 08:54 PM   #1
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Whiteshield

Womens Jingle

1st Norma Baker
2nd Lori
3rd Tahnee
4th Loren

Womens Traditional
1st - Robin Pudwell

Womens Fancy
1st - Kelly Labeau
Teen Boys Grass:
1st-Kelsey Haywahe
2nd-Kilby Reynolds

Teen Boys Fancy
1st-?
2nd-Courtney Hayes??

Teen Girls Jingle
(uncertain of order)
Yanahbah Red House
Chelsea Finley

Teen Girls Fancy
1st-Kelly Walker
2nd-Tony Johnson
3rd-Deserae Red House
4th-Jackie Craig

Womans Fancy Special
1st-Lauren Frank
2nd-Kelly Lebeau
3rd-Tony Johnson

Teen Girls Traditional
1-Anna Spotted Wolf
2-? from rocky boy
3-Harriet Roberson
4-?

Womens Traditional
karrie abbey and alice young bear got in there

Mens Grass
1-Wayne Fox
2-Wylie Bearstail
3-?
4-?

Mens Fancy
Warshield got in there somewhere

Womens Fancy
2-?? Gray
3-Gunya Cornelius
4-Matilda Littlehead
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Women's Golden Age
1. Karen Paetz
2. Donna Morgan
3. Delores Hayes
4. RoseAnn Johnson

Women's Traditional
1. Robbyn Pudwell
2. Denise McKay
3. Karrie Abbey
4. Alice Ann Youngbear

Women's Fancy
1. Kellie LeBeau
2. Danielle Grey
3. Gunya Cornelius
4. Matilda Little Head

Women's Fancy Shawl Special
1. Lauren Frank
2. Toni Johnson
3. Kellie LeBeau
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Womens Jingle

1st Norma Baker
2nd Lori
3rd Tahnee
4th Loren

Womens Traditional
1st - Robin Pudwell

Womens Fancy
1st - Kelly Labeau
Teen Boys Grass:
1st-Kelsey Haywahe
2nd-Kilby Reynolds

Teen Boys Fancy
1st-?
2nd-Courtney Hayes??

Teen Girls Jingle
(uncertain of order)
Yanahbah Red House
Chelsea Finley

Teen Girls Fancy
1st-Kelly Walker
2nd-Tony Johnson
3rd-Deserae Red House
4th-Jackie Craig

Womans Fancy Special
1st-Lauren Frank
2nd-Kelly Lebeau
3rd-Tony Johnson

Teen Girls Traditional
1-Anna Spotted Wolf
2-? from rocky boy
3-Harriet Roberson
4-?

Womens Traditional
karrie abbey and alice young bear got in there

Mens Grass
1-Wayne Fox
2-Wylie Bearstail
3-?
4-?

Mens Fancy
Warshield got in there somewhere
1st Warshield White
2nd Walter Runs Above
3rd Buck Johnson
4th George Abeyta

Womens Fancy
2-?? Gray
3-Gunya Cornelius
4-Matilda Littlehead
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Thumbs down White Sheild Winners - FAIR? I DONT THINK SO HAHA

Ummm....arent half of the people that danced, competed and won there? from the Ft.Berthold Tribe? The Fox's are from WhiteSheild, and there are those winning first?
come on people - you wanna run a good powwow - then be fair!
I bet that Littleshell will have the same winners results, yeah they may say they're from MANDAN, or BISMARCK, or live in another state, but that still means that they are FROM WHITESHEILD, MANDAREE, OR NEWTOWN! THA THREE AFFILIATED TRIBES MAN - ITS ALL IN THE SAME VICINITY

oh well, hope the next powwow is fair- Sioux Valley - well, i guess its the same there too!!

have a good one folks!
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Yes, most of the winners that won are from there.
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LOL.......do you think its possible that they are good dancers? everybody has something to complain about i usually do to but i didn't go to this powwow. LOL. just throwing in my 2 cents, yeah i know nobody asked for them. LMAO
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oh most definately i believe that these dancers are awesome dancers, and are champions all over indian country...im not dissin on them ..however, i do believe that the powwwow etiquette is that if you are from the host tribe or rez than maybe give the visitors that come from a long wayz a chance ..for most dancers this is their only income throughout the summer months, as i also believe that our indian people are also highly educated or seeking a higher education throughout the winter months right? im not complaining but i am however standing up for something that i feel is not right...and thats keeping the money at home by allowing your home champion dancers compete at their own powwow .... there will be other powwwows ...but yeah...i think that of course they are good dancers...just give your visitors a chance...peace out .....see you all on the powwow trail!!
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I have heard the complaint about locals winning on Ft. Berthold many times in the past. I was taught that when you have a close relative on the committee that you should not compete. Whether a person abides by their teachings in another subject. By the way....the Fox brothers did not place at Mandaree.
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Locals Winning?

When we went to Four Bears Pow-Wow in 2005, we didn't notice any locals and winning, and we even won the drum contest.
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Yeah but it is a common thing now to see people from the community dancing and winning ALTHOUGH the judges are from there....You should be stepping aside for visitors but nowadays doesn't always happen that way.
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I didn't like the way the winners went either and i haven't live in white shield for about ten years. the reason the winners went the way they did was because the powwow committee didn't have a clue on how to run a powwow the way people on the trail see it every weekend.......at work we talk about it and talk about it........but we can't do anything about it because the rookies who go to one powwow a year......appearently already know everything......(im talking about the rookie committee they had) no disrespect to them, but when your an arena director you don't choose judges from home or judges that don't even go to powwows.......thats where they messed up......and only one of the fox bros danced........the other one never dances at white shield powwow for the reason you people are talking about.....but thats good because everyone wants to know what was good and what needs to be fixed for the next year. believe me this ain't happening next year. so come over next year.........we are getting head judges to accommodate our company........thanks for the constructive criticism
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Read everyone's comments and then looked through the various winners from all the threads and see local winners happening all over, not just at this pow wow. While there may be some truth there are a lot of reasons for why contests winners are they way they are. First off, when you have a lot of good dancers from certain areas, you are going to see their names on a lot of pow wow winner's lists, both far away & local.

Fort Berthold happens to be one of the oldest powwow spots in the N. Plains with some of the best singers and dancers since the early years of contest powwows (around 50 yrs or so) and even with a long powwow tradition in their families, the same can be said for Rocky Boy, Pine Ridge, etc. Even now there are many good dancers and world champions from those areas. So, even if some have their roots at Fort Berthold or wherever, but live away there are times when they want to come home & dance. So what if they dance in the contests, that doesn't guarantee them a spot. Sometimes, people from their own reservations are the worst to judge them because of past baggage, personal dislikes/biases, family disputes, failed marriages, cheating spouses, illegitimate children, jealousies & so on.

Also, at some of these powwows you may have mostly local dancers. So if they all didn't dance, what if there are not a lot of visitors, then what do you got left in the contest???? They could exhibition, but if they are one the best dancers, why not allow them to dance and possibly win. Let the best dancers win, local or not!!

On the flip side, alot of times there are local champion dancers, but do you thiink they ever go back to their home communities, heck no, they go where the big bucks and johnny come lately powwows are, so they can win the big bucks. Their own relatives and tribal members never see their faces, even at the traditional powwows.

The same could be said about the powwow committees. Most of the times, the people that follow these powwow circuits, they don't have the time, interest or inclination in putting in the hard work it takes to raise the money to put on a powwow. (I'm not saying all, because there are the tried and true) If they do get on a committee, then they don't show up all year round until the powwow is close or happens-- then they want to parade around like they did the work, standing up front, hanging around/sitting up at the announcer's stand, etc. That doesn't take into account those that just plain refuse to help out their local powwow committees. Most of these smaller powwows don't get big casino funds, they raise it the old fashion way, from local community support. Let the local committee decide how they want to run their contests, their the ones who raised the money. If they don't want locals to dance in the contests, then state it on the poster, so the local dancers can decide if they want to dance elsewhere. (Dare you see what the fall out is, if you push for not having local dancers in the contest, check out how many people would register then for the contests?)

Local powwows are a way for the beginning dancers, children, young and old who don't follow the pow wow circuits to enjoy not only the dancing, but get in on the contests. Sometimes it helps out the local elders to get a little pocket money. Do you know how many families start attending powwows or go to a powwow to see their children dance as well as to dance in a contest. Some of these local children never go anywhere else but their local pow wows. Have you ever watched the pride they have when they wear a number, line up after the contests, get in grand entry, and if things go well -- they actually win? Some might never get that opportunity if they can't compete locally. Who knows, once they get more experienced then they start might start venturing out.

There needs to be a balance in picking judges: Some that dance, have danced, have children or family members who dance or never danced (but have a clue) from the local community and visitors. Alot of times what happens is Arena Directors (especially at these big time competition powwows) they pick nothing but all these well known dancers who follow the circuits, and then you get the same old tired winners, not because they were necessarily danced the best at that time but because they drink, smoke up, snag, cheat or party with them. These are the cronies who look out for their own, same with getting singers/drummers, they pick who their friends are, back up singers, potential snags, current snags, dancers who are singing with them, etc. People who buy influence with judges, that is brown nose, give each other things not because they genuinely respect that person, but because of what they can get from them. Look at these people with the new casino money and the hanger ons around them. They both get what they want, some get to hang around with the champion dancers and act like a big shot on the powwow trail, the champion dancers get money, gifts, travel and head staff roles, etc. Or sometimes you get judges that only vote for NAMES, not on dancing!

The only rule I would have is that Head Judges or Arena directors who pick the judges or actual contest judges should not have immediate families in any of the contests.

So you can blame the Arena directors, new "rookie" committees, dancers who dance who are members of those tribes/first nations, the locals, the champion dancers or whatever, hanger ons, but unless you can truly find a way to decrease these kinds of biases and have judges who vote fairly and honestly and based on dancing ability/nice outfits (I didn't say flashy, if that's what you thought I meant), you are going to get complaints about the winners. As for now, if you feel your not getting a fair shake, then dancers should show their displeasure by not attending the powwow. Actions speak louder than words!!! It's just not Fort Berthold powwows, it's all over. People gotta to realize, you win some, you lose some, but maybe it's just a way to keep people humble! Sometime's people think they got to take first all of the time or that some people gotta win all the time, sure it sucks when you dance really good & you don't place, but that won't stop you from dancing if you if you truly love dancing!!!!

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Damn ndn_thyme I guess you shut those folks up.. ..I wish [most] everyone thought like you..

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Pretty good comments ndn_thyme!!!
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Bravo Ndn Tyme!!!

Yes! I most definately agree with your rave review - you had put that into a much better perspective - the judges, arena directors, "rookie" powwow committees, personal opinions toward dancers, AND other drum groups - this is the main reason why we do hear the same ole same ole winners here and there -I have been a part of our powwow committee for the past three years, and I like to choose our arena directors carefully, but there are the one or two committee members that havent a clue themselves on how to run a powwow and feel that if they hire local people from the rez to arena direct and i didnt agree to his decisions - cause even he didnt know some of the rules ...(lol) "Alot of times what happens is Arena Directors (especially at these big time competition powwows) they pick nothing but all these well known dancers who follow the circuits, and then you get the same old tired winners, not because they were necessarily danced the best at that time but because they drink, smoke up, snag, cheat or party with them." MY THOUHTS EXACTLY ;)
however, i had stated that "people from their communities win at their own powwows should give their visitors a chance" simply because I was taught and told by my parents and my dad is a golden ager and he used to always tell us that to not dance at our own powwow, step aside and respect the visitors, no matter how small of a powwow is...you can exhibition, but dont compete, people will respect our community that much more. I mean my boys dance at our powwow in exhibition, and to them its a practice weekend, they enjoy it and have a good exercise weekend.
And yes, the local powwows are for the enjoyment for those that only go to their own powwow because there are some that do not have the time to travel - like working weekends, and have other interests.

"As for now, if you feel your not getting a fair shake, then dancers should show their displeasure by not attending the powwow. Actions speak louder than words!!! It's just not Fort Berthold powwows, it's all over. People gotta to realize, you win some, you lose some, but maybe it's just a way to keep people humble! Sometime's people think they got to take first all of the time or that some people gotta win all the time, sure it sucks when you dance really good & you don't place, but that won't stop you from dancing if you if you truly love dancing!!!!"

MMMM...i was once on the powwow trail as a well known champion dancer, and i had my fair shot standing in the winners circle..but unfortunately i had put my powwow dancing on the back burner to complete my education endeavors, and work like a bee, and also raise my kids in the powwow circuit..they too are dancers and they too are champions, so its not that im a disgruntled powwow person, or tired powwow dancer....im just simply stating locals must give their visitors a chance...

you are definately right on the money with your perspective as to the powwow etiquette that is lacking - and not on the dancers portion of it...but on the head staff...right?
i thank you for your response....you rock!!!
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Ndn Tyme. You have just described 75 percent of the contest pow wows in Indian Country. It never ceases to amaze how some of these people think they are puliing the wool over our eyes doing the sneaky things they do: both pow wow committees and pow wow contestants (both singers and dancers). I have been pow wowing for many years and have seen it all (including all those things you have described and then some). I just can't believe that some of our Indian people can be so crooked, money hungry, unethical and still go around as if nothing has happened.

Now comes casino pow wows which is a whole nother can of worms. Casino pow wows do offer a lot of prize money and everyone flocks to them. Allof a sudden, those tribes that meant nothing to anybody (either poor tribes with no money or eastern tribes with no significance) have a lot of relatives, friends, marriages, people going to them to "reserve rooms. It is pitiful both for those tribes and also for those one expoiting. A-ho, this is my opinion. I will be quiet for the rest of the day!!!!!!!!!!!
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