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Old 10-07-2010, 03:30 PM   #1
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Haliwa-Saponi Smoke Dance Regalia?

Could anyone please explain to me why Miss Indian NC is Haliwa-Saponi and wearing a smoke dance regalia? I thought this outfit was made in NY??

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not exactly sure. smoke dance doesn't have specific regalia like jingle dress, men's tradish, southern straight....it's just tradish iroquois style regalia. smoke dance is just a style of social dance.
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Did you try the hotdogs off the cart in the background? I heard Nathans hotdogs were pretty goot!
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Did you try the hotdogs off the cart in the background? I heard Nathans hotdogs were pretty goot!
Nathans hotdogs are amazing
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geez I diddnt even see that lol ,Ive had Nathans hotdogs and they are goooot and make awesome pow-wow dogs !!
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not exactly sure. smoke dance doesn't have specific regalia like jingle dress, men's tradish, southern straight....it's just tradish iroquois style regalia. smoke dance is just a style of social dance.
Ok thanks for explaining that...but I'm still confused. Are Haliwa-Saponis Iroquois? Is this the style of regalia that Haliwa-Saponis wear?
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Ok thanks for explaining that...but I'm still confused. Are Haliwa-Saponis Iroquois? Is this the style of regalia that Haliwa-Saponis wear?
Mr/Mrs/Ms pandabear...

I've included the link to the Haliwa Saponi tribe. You'll probably get a more direct or precise answer straight from the tribe.

I like those people out there. Archie had been involved in powwows since the days of Frontier Fort in Wilmington. Most of the young men on the Stoney Creek drum are from there.

I'm sure they will be more than happy to answer your question instead of having to search the internet for an answer.

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I posted this here because I'm interested in what posters here think, not the tribe. No one else (that I have ever seen) who is Haliwa-Saponi wears this dress. It is not the dress the girls wear at their tribal powwow. It looks like an Iroquois dress to me.
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I posted this here because I'm interested in what posters here think, not the tribe. No one else (that I have ever seen) who is Haliwa-Saponi wears this dress. It is not the dress the girls wear at their tribal powwow. It looks like an Iroquois dress to me.

You are kidding me right?????
Okay, I get it !
Your right... everyone in Powwow Country only dresses in their own Tribal Gear.
With all the Jingle dresses out there, Somebody's Enrollment totals are way off.
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You are kidding me right?????
Okay, I get it !
Your right... everyone in Powwow Country only dresses in their own Tribal Gear.
With all the Jingle dresses out there, Somebody's Enrollment totals are way off.
I think what blacktail was saying is Iroquois dress is not like jingle dress. It hasn't become an intertribal style and Iroquois people still are the ones wearing it. Did I miss something?
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I think what blacktail was saying is Iroquois dress is not like jingle dress. It hasn't become an intertribal style and Iroquois people still are the ones wearing it. Did I miss something?
I hear you, all true. My point is that....
Folks from NY went down to NC MANY years ago and shared this dance. Im not sure exactly who brought it to Whom. But there have been dances in Carolina before.
There is also a very heated topic tied to this discussion.
Some Native Folks in Carolina link heritage back to the Tuscarora people that stayed behind, before they migrated up to their current homeland in NY. The Tusc. eventually joined the 6 Nations.
Some folks may feel it is a natural dress for them to wear.
Not to get into the many facets of that debate.

I ask this ...
If a Nakota man wanted to Smoke dance, would he be wrong to do so????
another question for you if so....
Who/what tribe owns the Fancy Dance?
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That's an easy one.

The Bling-Bling Tribe from Gosh Durn It, South Dakota!!!!
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ok i see where the original question comes from. shouldn't someone who is representing their tribe as royalty be dressed in their own style of traditional clothing.

& anyone can dance smoke since it is a CONTEST dance. not SOCIAL or traditional dance. & if someone is goin to dance smoke yes they should wear HAUDENOSAUNEE style clothing.
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ok i see where the original question comes from. shouldn't someone who is representing their tribe as royalty be dressed in their own style of traditional clothing.

& anyone can dance smoke since it is a CONTEST dance. not SOCIAL or traditional dance. & if someone is goin to dance smoke yes they should wear HAUDENOSAUNEE style clothing.
Exactly!

What I was getting at is that what the people of the World Wide Web think isn't important. If you are going to ask a generalized question, then just create a poll. Look at the replies. How many gave a specific yes or no answer?

If there is a concern then go the the person, or tribe of the person, which you feel is doing wrong. Don't put it on the web.
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This dance seems to be the traditional dance, the dress seems to be very attractive. Can you please reply me is it a solo dance or a group dance, does you need to carry something in your hands while dancing
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ok i see where the original question comes from. shouldn't someone who is representing their tribe as royalty be dressed in their own style of traditional clothing.

& anyone can dance smoke since it is a CONTEST dance. not SOCIAL or traditional dance. & if someone is goin to dance smoke yes they should wear HAUDENOSAUNEE style clothing.
She doesn't smoke dance in this outfit. I have never seen her smoke dance in this or any outfit. She dances kind of like most people do during intertribal. So I am still confused why someone would wear a smoke dance regalia and not smoke dance especially if they aren't Iroquois.
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She doesn't smoke dance in this outfit. I have never seen her smoke dance in this or any outfit. She dances kind of like most people do during intertribal. So I am still confused why someone would wear a smoke dance regalia and not smoke dance especially if they aren't Iroquois.
Very strange, at the next powwow, mc should announce that all royalty and dancers in smoke dance regalia go to the arbor. Give them smoke dance song and watch the comedy.
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