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Old 10-07-2006, 09:31 PM   #1
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feathers or hair plume everyday wear?

Can they be worn only for special occasion, or
everyday wear?what feather or plume am I allowed to wear? and where can i purchase them,and how can i make them?thanks
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Old 10-07-2006, 10:58 PM   #2
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Why not? Our ancestors used to wear feathers all the time, unless I need to be a little more educated.

Anyway if you need to ask where to buy them, its best to just stick to the turkey variety, and you can get those just about anywhere, pow wows, Crazy Crow, ebay, and on and on.

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It is illegal to buy, sell, trade or barter the real eagle feathers. If you are enrolled in a federally recognized tribe then you need to talk to fish and game about an application for an eagle feather permit. If you are caught with the real thing without a permit the fines are extremely hefty and there's jail time too.

I don't exactly agree with crazywolf though. I don't feel plumes are to be worn just everyday with any old clothes and some would say the same about an eagle feather.
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I already know that it is illegal to buy or sell eagle feathers.I was never given the chance to recieve real plumes, and I wanted to make my own to wear in my hair and needed to know what feathers can I use to adnorn my hair with.
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I already know that it is illegal to buy or sell eagle feathers.I was never given the chance to recieve real plumes, and I wanted to make my own to wear in my hair and needed to know what feathers can I use to adnorn my hair with.
Ok so let's try to put it in a way that I'm trying to convey... Would you wear a jewel encrusted crown with a tshirt and jeans? LOL... Ok I know I would, but I'm wierd...

so anyhow, take a look around. At powwows and everyday life. Who do you see just wearing plumes in their hair without being dressed for a powwow, social or ceremony? The only one's I've seen have been the wannabes. Feathers just are'nt a fashion statement. If you need the world to know visually you're native, then get a native pride shirt or ballcap.
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Ok so let's try to put it in a way that I'm trying to convey... Would you wear a jewel encrusted crown with a tshirt and jeans? LOL... Ok I know I would, but I'm wierd...

so anyhow, take a look around. At powwows and everyday life. Who do you see just wearing plumes in their hair without being dressed for a powwow, social or ceremony? The only one's I've seen have been the wannabes. Feathers just are'nt a fashion statement. If you need the world to know visually you're native, then get a native pride shirt or ballcap.

I do stand corrected, but...

I have seen vets wear a feather or plume on their cap, and not just at pow wows either.
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I do stand corrected, but...

I have seen vets wear a feather or plume on their cap, and not just at pow wows either.
Think about it crazy... you're talking about vets. They earned that right.
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Not many people wear a feather or fluff in their hair or hat; but I've seen them. Nobody blinks an eyelash at a native, who is obviously native that wears a feather or fluff in their hair, hat or ears. The people who I know that often wear them, here in Alaska, and out in the Northwest do so on a regular basis; not a fashion statement or such, it's just who they are and it looks RIGHT on them. I will admit, I do look twice at a white looking person who tries to do the same thing, and I snicker to myself, or roll my eyes up a little. It's a valid question; but I would suggest to think it over well before doing it, not everyone is going to be able to pull it off.
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[QUOTE=Blackbear]Think about it crazy... you're talking about vets. They earned that right.[/QUOTE

*nods*

Also, whenever I see someone wearing plumes, that has a light complexion, it just says new age, even if they are wearing regalia. I do not see to many women up north wearing plumes, unless they are associated with a feather, perhaps a small tail feather, and worn upright in the hair. I hardly ever have seen a woman wearing a feather down, except maybe fancy shawl.

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Yeah I probably get those same looks at powwows because of my fair complexion, but I'm half and just did'nt get the luck of the DNA draw LOL!

I don't know... I just would'nt wear my sunday best to go garage saleing .. you know what I mean? With something like a feather, I don't want to be wearing it where it can potentially be damaged. When I was a kid my mother would put feathers in my hair and the kids would always try to pull them out. I don't like the idea of my feathers being around people who readily will disrespect them.
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As for me I dont wear hair feathers for everday wear, If I want to dress up I pull out one of my nice beaded barretts, and maybe a necklace. I keep my feathers in their box until its time to pow-wow.
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Yeah I probably get those same looks at powwows because of my fair complexion, but I'm half and just did'nt get the luck of the DNA draw LOL!

I don't know... I just would'nt wear my sunday best to go garage saleing .. you know what I mean? With something like a feather, I don't want to be wearing it where it can potentially be damaged. When I was a kid my mother would put feathers in my hair and the kids would always try to pull them out. I don't like the idea of my feathers being around people who readily will disrespect them.

Would love to see someone pull on my feathers, they would pull backa nub

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I think that if you really want to do it right, wearing feathers regardless of where you wear them, you want to do it right, not just DO IT for a fashion statement. WHEN you earn them and receive them in the correct way, you will be educated on how to care for them and how to wear them in an honorable way. You don't want to just toss on any feather you find on the sidewalk, or go around and buy really fake looking dyed or painted feathers, because that just REEKS of fakey and disrespectful mockery......so you want to be careful, and while powwows.com is a good place to learn things, this really isn't the place to recieve knowledge that an elder should sit face to face with you and teach you....thats their role and we should all respect that.

Unless of course you really DO want to look fakey and ridiculous, in that case, throw on that broomstick skirt and Pleather vest with all the fringe, and the rows and rows of plastic Walmart beads strung up around the neck with EVERY SINGLE PIECE of real or fake turqoise jewelry you can find. Don't forget to dye your hair an eerie flat black color, and wear your lace up Tatanka brand moccasisn OR your black strap sandals with the fake native design on the straps..with or without socks!! THEN you have earned the right to stick pidgeon and turkey feathers randomly into your hair!
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I think that if you really want to do it right, wearing feathers regardless of where you wear them, you want to do it right, not just DO IT for a fashion statement. WHEN you earn them and receive them in the correct way, you will be educated on how to care for them and how to wear them in an honorable way. You don't want to just toss on any feather you find on the sidewalk, or go around and buy really fake looking dyed or painted feathers, because that just REEKS of fakey and disrespectful mockery......so you want to be careful, and while powwows.com is a good place to learn things, this really isn't the place to recieve knowledge that an elder should sit face to face with you and teach you....thats their role and we should all respect that.

Unless of course you really DO want to look fakey and ridiculous, in that case, throw on that broomstick skirt and Pleather vest with all the fringe, and the rows and rows of plastic Walmart beads strung up around the neck with EVERY SINGLE PIECE of real or fake turqoise jewelry you can find. Don't forget to dye your hair an eerie flat black color, and wear your lace up Tatanka brand moccasisn OR your black strap sandals with the fake native design on the straps..with or without socks!! THEN you have earned the right to stick pidgeon and turkey feathers randomly into your hair!
I agree with the respects that go along with earning your eagle feather. I don't see why anyone would wear them with every day attire. I know that different tribes have different protocol in recieving an eagle feather (straight or plume). It all has a course of teachings that come along with growing up with elders who respect traditions. You can't just wake up one day and say "Hey! I want to wear an eagle feather." In one of the first couple posts someone mentioned, our ancestors whore them back in the day. TRUE, but not entirely. Eagle feathers and other types of traditional attire had a specific meaning with in the tribe. Our ancestors didn't wake up one day and said "Oh, I think I'll wear my eagle feather today."

So before you try to go out and get your own eagle feather just remember that there are actual traditions, respects, and teachings that go with that privilage.

OR... If you don't respect those teachings, then GO AHEAD AND BE FAKE.
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Words of wisdom have been posted But I think the most imporant one psoted was when they talked about going to the elders and also want to point out we as men are NOT TO TELL A WOMAN WHAT TO DO so on that note you need to speak to your elder of the tribe you belong too that is a woman if your a woman or if you are guy you should speak to a man.... Also don't keep going to other people until you get the awnser your looking for aceppt the frist anwser.
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Words of wisdom have been posted But I think the most imporant one psoted was when they talked about going to the elders and also want to point out we as men are NOT TO TELL A WOMAN WHAT TO DO so on that note you need to speak to your elder of the tribe you belong too that is a woman if your a woman or if you are guy you should speak to a man.... Also don't keep going to other people until you get the awnser your looking for aceppt the frist anwser.
Very Well Put! I think that the second part of my post might have lessened what I orginally wanted to say, but I tend to find myself very humorous!

It is very important to do things in a right way, since we as Native people have protocol for just about EVERYTHING! If you are going to do anything at all, doing it right is the ONLY way to do it. Otherwise, you risk offending some, or making mockeries of very special and important things. IF that is what you intend to do, just to do something you think is cool, find another culture to raid, and let us continue teaching our children and each other the right way....if not, speak to an elder in your tribe, a woman if you are a woman, a man if you are a man, and let them guide you through the ENTIRE process. Dont just pick and choose the lessons you want to learn....learn it all, or not all.
Thank you for the chance to speak...
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I do not see to many women up north wearing plumes, unless they are associated with a feather, perhaps a small tail feather, and worn upright in the hair. I hardly ever have seen a woman wearing a feather down, except maybe fancy shawl.

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Again that depends on the tribe. Point in example are the Lakota women.

The whole thing about wearing feathers everyday to me is hollywood. Like was mentioned before....... if you need a feather to "prove" something to others or to yourself..... then that's the wrong reason and that can come back on ya.
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I think that if you really want to do it right, wearing feathers regardless of where you wear them, you want to do it right, not just DO IT for a fashion statement. WHEN you earn them and receive them in the correct way, you will be educated on how to care for them and how to wear them in an honorable way. You don't want to just toss on any feather you find on the sidewalk, or go around and buy really fake looking dyed or painted feathers, because that just REEKS of fakey and disrespectful mockery......so you want to be careful, and while powwows.com is a good place to learn things, this really isn't the place to recieve knowledge that an elder should sit face to face with you and teach you....thats their role and we should all respect that.

Unless of course you really DO want to look fakey and ridiculous, in that case, throw on that broomstick skirt and Pleather vest with all the fringe, and the rows and rows of plastic Walmart beads strung up around the neck with EVERY SINGLE PIECE of real or fake turqoise jewelry you can find. Don't forget to dye your hair an eerie flat black color, and wear your lace up Tatanka brand moccasisn OR your black strap sandals with the fake native design on the straps..with or without socks!! THEN you have earned the right to stick pidgeon and turkey feathers randomly into your hair!
*L* I am so with you!!!!!!!! LMAO. I was thinking that as soon as I read the topic. Good grief.......


If they REALLY want to prove how indin you are.....wear your CDIB in a plastic cover around your neck...then everyone will know. You won't have to wear the feather.
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But, I wear either eagle plumes or a straight feather on my hat every day. Every day. Have done so for almost 15 years, now. My reasons are my own and highly personal, but not all that unusual (and do not include military service).

I also don't wear it to impress others. Its presence compels me to examine myself and the way I am acting or behaving. I am a better person, in thought and action, because that's how you should carry yourself in the presence of sacred feathers. It isn't there to remind others who I am; it's there to always remind me.

And, it's there because it's 'supposed' to be.



I can tell you that 99% of the White people out there don't notice it, don't blink an eye at it, and don't have any idea what the feathers are even if they do notice. Still, I've had White people ask if it's everything from a turkey to a goose to a pheasant feather. If someone asks, I just try to use the encounter as a chance to education them a little bit about my specific band.


Some Indian people, however, will judge you--quick and harsh--over something that's none of their business. My father taught me that it isn't anyone's place to judge why another does what they do; our path takes us in the direction it will, and it's rarely the same as someone else's. Just be sure that *you* know why you're doing what you do or wearing what you wear, and talk to an elder in your tribe first.

Hopefully others will have respect for what your reasons are, even if they don't happen to agree. Just be certain you're carrying feathers with respect and taking care of them... and be ready to explain yourself articulately and calmly if an veteran or elder confronts you (although it's usually neither). It's usually a middle-aged person who has never served; elders and veterans seem to be less threatened by the idea of feathers outside of powwow or 'ceremony', and more respectful of the many possible reasons someone might be wearing a feather.


Feathers that you wear daily WILL become bedraggled over time. There's no avoiding it. Our ancestors didn't avoid it, either. A lot of them fought hard for the "right" to wear Indian items and symbols, because those items said something important about the people who wore them. It was a part of who and what they were. Today most of us tuck all that away in suitcase and save it for powwow time.


Sometimes I feel like a lot of Indians today are ashamed to own a feather with ragged edges that show how it's lived life right alongside us. I don't think it's any less sacred just because it might have some scars or is less than 'perfect'. It earned those faults honestly.

Some people's feathers happen to wear down while trying to win somebody some dance money at a powwow, only to be discarded when it's no longer 'pretty' enough to do so.


That ain't a dig, as much as it may sound like one. It's just two different paths, one of which isn't mine, just as mine may not be yours.


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