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Old 03-27-2014, 06:29 PM   #101
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i pulled that off of an old newsletter

roy steevenz was who i was talking about when i said quarter blood hopi spreading mis-information.......it so turns out he wasnt even a quarterblood but a 16th blood at best......and definately not culturally a hopi
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Old 03-27-2014, 06:38 PM   #102
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Hmmmm.... Not sure this helps.

ICTM article on apocalypse prophecies
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“In the Hopi teachings,” he began, “we are told that toward the end of the world, Spider Woman will come back and she will weave her web across the landscape. Everywhere you will see her web. That’s how we will know that we are coming to the end of this world, when we see her web everywhere. I believe I have just seen her web.”
Read more at Apocalypse Prophecies: Native End of the World Teachings - ICTMN.com
Quote from that link you posted...

My personal opinion... yeah yeah... the internet = spider web.

End of world? Hm... according to what I know.. the Hopi Calendar ended and after that a new aera of time begins. A new cycle. Apocalyse? Are either men made or from outer space.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:11 PM   #104
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Oh boy. I forget tone of voice doesn't work in cyberspace. I wasn't endorsing that article. What I should have said very clearly is: In my opinion, this type of article encourages the culture vultures. It was reiterating the very "prophecy" that started this thread.

Spiritflight with all due respect.... I've lived in NM; I've known people from various Pueblos. I've been a guest at *public* ceremonies. I know only two things about Pueblo religions:

1) Religion is a private matter. It is need to know -- and the non-initiatied don't need to know. And anything you read or hear from outsiders is, at best, trash or, at worst, a betrayal of kinship or friendship. Pueblo people who are properly fulfilling their religious duties, don't talk about it.

2) Unless you want to end your friendship and be shown the door, you mind your own business when at the Pueblo. Their religion is their business. It has naught to do with you, me or anyone else outside the community.

So, don't believe what you read. Don't try to generalize from what you read. Only a Pueblo person, speaking their language and raised in their culture truly understands the stories or the ceremonies -- or needs to understand.

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I would ask if this is considered legitimate Techqua Ikachi Index ?
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I would ask if this is considered legitimate Techqua Ikachi Index ?
i read some of it briefly.....sounds like SOME of it is legit but most of it comes from fraud books like "the book of hopi" and such....it's very obviously written by a non-native and truthfully most pueblo spiritual talk would NEVER see print if it was legit.............then again that website is ran by notorious fraud kathrine cheshire and the fraudulent touch the earth foundation...........that should have been obvious in the section where they advertise buying their book at "[email protected]"
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Oh boy. I forget tone of voice doesn't work in cyberspace. I wasn't endorsing that article. What I should have said very clearly is: In my opinion, this type of article encourages the culture vultures. It was reiterating the very "prophecy" that started this thread.

Spiritflight with all due respect.... I've lived in NM; I've known people from various Pueblos. I've been a guest at *public* ceremonies. I know only two things about Pueblo religions:

1) Religion is a private matter. It is need to know -- and the non-initiatied don't need to know. And anything you read or hear from outsiders is, at best, trash or, at worst, a betrayal of kinship or friendship. Pueblo people who are properly fulfilling their religious duties, don't talk about it.

2) Unless you want to end your friendship and be shown the door, you mind your own business when at the Pueblo. Their religion is their business. It has naught to do with you, me or anyone else outside the community.

So, don't believe what you read. Don't try to generalize from what you read. Only a Pueblo person, speaking their language and raised in their culture truly understands the stories or the ceremonies -- or needs to understand.
again.....NAILED IT!!! you have a way with worlds olc
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Oh boy. I forget tone of voice doesn't work in cyberspace. I wasn't endorsing that article. What I should have said very clearly is: In my opinion, this type of article encourages the culture vultures. It was reiterating the very "prophecy" that started this thread.

Spiritflight with all due respect.... I've lived in NM; I've known people from various Pueblos. I've been a guest at *public* ceremonies. I know only two things about Pueblo religions:

1) Religion is a private matter. It is need to know -- and the non-initiatied don't need to know. And anything you read or hear from outsiders is, at best, trash or, at worst, a betrayal of kinship or friendship. Pueblo people who are properly fulfilling their religious duties, don't talk about it.

2) Unless you want to end your friendship and be shown the door, you mind your own business when at the Pueblo. Their religion is their business. It has naught to do with you, me or anyone else outside the community.

So, don't believe what you read. Don't try to generalize from what you read. Only a Pueblo person, speaking their language and raised in their culture truly understands the stories or the ceremonies -- or needs to understand.
They read this and still they don't think it applies to them.
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Oh boy. I forget tone of voice doesn't work in cyberspace. I wasn't endorsing that article. What I should have said very clearly is: In my opinion, this type of article encourages the culture vultures. It was reiterating the very "prophecy" that started this thread.

Spiritflight with all due respect.... I've lived in NM; I've known people from various Pueblos. I've been a guest at *public* ceremonies. I know only two things about Pueblo religions:

1) Religion is a private matter. It is need to know -- and the non-initiatied don't need to know. And anything you read or hear from outsiders is, at best, trash or, at worst, a betrayal of kinship or friendship. Pueblo people who are properly fulfilling their religious duties, don't talk about it.

2) Unless you want to end your friendship and be shown the door, you mind your own business when at the Pueblo. Their religion is their business. It has naught to do with you, me or anyone else outside the community.

So, don't believe what you read. Don't try to generalize from what you read. Only a Pueblo person, speaking their language and raised in their culture truly understands the stories or the ceremonies -- or needs to understand.
every once in awhile i read this post, just because it nails it right in the money

olc has my respect....especially in her polite manner of verbally spanking some of the idiots who come around
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