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Old 11-23-2015, 05:36 AM   #1
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Dances With Wolves Movie

DANCES WITH WOLVES MOVIE 25 YEARS LATER -

18 Epic Facts About ?Dances With Wolves? | Mental Floss

Directed by and starring Kevin Costner, the 1990 epic about a disillusioned Civil War lieutenant who travels west and befriends a tribe of Sioux Indians clocked in at three hours long, came in millions of dollars over budget, and included a cast full of unknown Native American actors speaking a language most audiences had never heard. In the end, the film—“a journey movie,” as Costner has called it—won seven Academy Awards (including Best Picture) and grossed more than $400 million.

On the 25th anniversary of its release, here are a few things you might not know about Dances With Wolves.
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Thanks for the geezer moment. I saw DWW when I was in grad school. I don't like thinking that was 25 yrs ago, LOL.

Putting aside the whole white savior thing for a moment, what I find most disturbing and interesting about the movie is the revisionism.

Consider the bulk of the non-Native characters. You have: the insane, drunken post commander; the farting, stinking muleskinner; the cruel user of love letters as toilet paper. Almost all white characters are, at best, desperately in need of a bath and a grammar coach or, at worst, sociopaths. They are cartoon characters, designed to be utterly impossible for the viewer to empathize with. Only Costner and McDowell's throughly modern, 1990's rather than 1860's persons are sympathetic.

This is dangerous. Now rather than believing righteousness of Manifest Destiny, the viewer can say "we've evolved beyond those attitudes." But, with a few rare exceptions, history is committed by people acting upon what they consider the correct. This conceit allows the viewer to even further dissociate from history. People, societies and nations do not generally set out to commit atrocities, instead they attempt to serve what they see as an individual or larger good. To believe yourself above the errors of the past is to miss their source entirely.

DWW was at the bow wave this kind of self-righteous storytelling. Now almost every Western has some manicured, suburban liberal male transplanted to the frontier, trying to stand athwart massacre or injustice. And when he fails, he will weep. His efforts render his sympathetic viewer innocent of historic sin by proxy,
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I Never saw Brokeback Mountain...but would you think it resulted from DWW? ( kidding! )

Costner tried to get 3 different big time directors to take it, when they said No, Kevin decided to do it himself..."Me, Myself & I...annnnnnnd there ya go!


Only a few of the many actors, musicians, or comedians I have met are down-to-earth...I will only name Jonah LIttlesunday here as an example of the few....
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16. THE FILM HAS ITS CRITICS.

More than a few reviewers wrote that the film was overly sentimental and romanticized the lives of the Sioux Indians. David Sirota, writing for Salon, recently called Dances With Wolves an example of a “white savior film” that tells a familiar story about a white hero who swoops in to save a helpless tribe from destruction.

Native American actor and activist Russell Means, meanwhile, called the film Lawrence of the Plains, meant as a derogatory reference to Lawrence of Arabia, and pointed out that the film’s Lakota dialect is almost all wrong. “The odd thing about making that movie is, they had a woman teaching the actors the Lakota language,” Means told High Times. “But Lakota has a male-gendered language and a female-gendered language. Some of the Indians and Kevin Costner were speaking in the feminine way. When I went to see it with a bunch of Lakota guys, we were laughing.”

17. THE SIOUX NATION ADOPTED COSTNER AS AN HONORARY MEMBER.

Criticism aside, the Sioux were pleased with a portrayal that focused on the peaceful, day-to-day life of their tribe. So they honored Costner with official membership. The induction ceremony included tying an eagle feather in his hair and giving him a hand-woven quilt.

A few years later, though, Costner lost some of those good vibes when he bought several hundred acres in South Dakota’s Black Hills—a land considered sacred by the Sioux—and announced plans to build a resort. Development proved difficult, however, and Costner finally abandoned the plan in 2013.
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I saw DWW too when they have Pawnee vs Lakota war when they vilify Pawnee people as army scouts.
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are you sure? wikipedia saus it came out in 2009
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I saw DWW too when they have Pawnee vs Lakota war when they vilify Pawnee people as army scouts.
Are you Pawnee? My exhusband was and he is proud of his Tribe's role fighting with other Tribes. They are an unpredictable people. His favorite saying was...and Lord forgive me, Cheyenne woman have only one purpose, to be under a Pawnee. Natural born fighters, proud of their heritage, and he was a very proud Pawnee.

So vilify? Nah.
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