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Bodica 02-07-2009 03:09 AM

Does anyone know where I can get non-yellow corn?
I recently watched an independent documentary called "King Corn" on PBS; and found out some pretty disturbing things about the U.S. corn industry.
Among other things, I found out that over 90% of all the corn grown and sold in the U.S. is yellow corn.
And almost all of that, is a single strain, which has been genetically modified, and mis-bred for years, in order to have a bigger and bigger outside, so that the inside of the kernal (which is the nurishing part) is very tiny. Also, they sacrificed the natural nutritional qualites of it, in favor of things like making it more yellow, and making it more sweet.
Apparently, modern corn in the U.S. has almost no nutritional value whatsoever.
And I'm not even talking about the pesticides they spray it with.
I found out that the good varieties of corn, are blue, red, bi-colored, and muilti-colored.
It's not very hard to get blue-corn tortilla chips, but finding a place that sells the actual blue corn itself, is next to impossible in the U.S.
Does anyone here know a place in the U.S. that sells non-yellow corn (prefferably blue)?

wyo_rose 02-08-2009 03:24 PM

Well I WAS going to say that white corn meal is widely available, especially in the South, but that is even less nutitious than yellow.

Bob's Red Mill makes some blue corn meal and you can get it online. I don't know if it's any more "nutritious", but very cool and traditional.

I saw King Corn and what they were growing there was field corn which isn't edible by humans. It's meant for consumption by cows and can be processsed into high fructose corn syrup, which is "fine in the moderatation".

I think field corn is the biggest share of the corn crop to supply feed for livestock and to provide sweetener for the biggest supplier of calories in the American diet - soda pop.

OLChemist 02-08-2009 04:39 PM

My understanding is the culprit isn't the yellow corn per say but particular cultivars of hybrid corn. What you are looking for is called open-pollinated sweet corn (field corn is livestock feed; flint corn is meal or popcorn types).


Lots of heirloom seed places and survivalist stores carry open-pollinated corns. (The survivalists like the stuff because unlike hybrid corn you can actually get viable seeds from the crop.)

My mom used to grow open-pollinated corn when I was a kid. It had to be planted differently than hybrids. The growth wasn't uniform like what our neighbors got with their kitchen gardens full of hybrids. Some kinds she had to plant in clumps. We had way more problems with corn borers and such. (You learned to have a pretty high tolerance for cooked bugs with your veggies with my mom's pesticide-free garden. I still can't eat broccoli without flipping it over and checking for hidden caterpillars.) It could cross pollinate with other corn in the area and make bad seeds.

Corn meals and popping corn:

Most organic markets will carry at least blue corn meal and frequently blue or red popcorn. Arrowhead Mills, Bob's Red Mill, even Amazon.com has a range of cornmeals including blue, red and white.

Posole and dried corn:

Southwestern gourmet food companies carry these. I have a bag of blue corn dried posole I bought in a organic food story in Albq. I've never seen the blue corn equivalent of Cope's dried corn in blue or red varieties, but if someone has figured out how to market it to the Sante Fe tourist crowd, then you can buy it, LOL.

Fresh non-hybrid corn:

Your local organic or gourmet market may occasionally get non-hybrid corns. My local yuppie-mart used to get multi-color fresh corn from a farm in Colorado. It was about $1/ear. I served it to company once. One guy wouldn't eat it at all; he thought the non-yellow and non-white corn was poisonous. It seemed most people at the table didn't like it. It had tougher hulls, smaller kernels, and was starchy not sweet.

injunboy 02-08-2009 07:58 PM

around the navajo rez theres alot of white corn. its not real abundant but generally availible year round. its used for regualr cooking and certain ceremonies. typically at the larger flea markets on weekends and most stores in Gallup.

my aunts family has an organic farm in NM. theres snow peas, carrots, and blue corn mostly they sell at farmers markets and do pretty good.

blue mush is great when prepared by a good navajo woman lol. its hard to explain but theres juniper involved and also a healthy fire.

OLChemist 02-08-2009 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by injunboy (Post 1265292)
...its hard to explain but theres juniper involved and also a healthy fire.

Which is why Native societies never had the pellagra epidemics that plagued the Europeans that who took Native corn but ignored Native cooking ways.

wyo_rose 02-09-2009 12:17 AM

I never heard of pellagra, but the wiki is interesting:

The traditional food preparation method of corn, nixtamalization, by native New World cultivators who had domesticated corn required treatment of the grain with lime, an alkali. It has now been shown that the lime treatment makes niacin nutritionally available and reduces the chance of developing pellagra. When corn cultivation was adopted worldwide, this preparation method was not accepted because the benefit was not understood. The original cultivators, often heavily dependent on corn, did not suffer from pellagra. Pellagra became common only when corn became a staple that was eaten without the traditional treatment.

Hmmmm...is this why I can take corn or leave it, but I LOVE hominy?!? :tongue:

wyo_rose 02-14-2009 01:33 PM

Corn Tortillas Recipe : Alton Brown : Food Network

Here's a link to Alton Brown's masa making episode. You should try to watch the show though. Very cool!

And you can just use field corn. :lol:

superndngyrl 02-14-2009 08:15 PM

For feasts we use this puffy red corn. I forget what its called but its so yummy.

My friend that is Mexican made some posole with lime and cabbage and it was the best stuff I ever tasted. She added some other seasonings too but I can't remember what they were.
Back home we just boil hominy and pork and eat it like that. I didn't realize that the lime was important for nutrition.... veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy interesting.

wyo_rose 02-14-2009 09:06 PM

Oh, I lOVE posole. If you can get that recipe, we'll make a special page in the pws.com cookbook for it. :tongue:

OLChemist 02-15-2009 08:46 AM

Just a clarification, the lime used to process corn is not the citrus fruit but is calcium hydroxide Ca(OH)2. Wood ash is another source of base used in Native corn processing. The action of the base frees bound niacin and improves the balance of amino acids available. There is also some evidence that this processing significantly reduces levels of fungus produced toxins.

Hominy/posole are produced by soaking dried corn kernels in lye, in north American Native foodways derived from wood ash. The pectin and cellulose in the hull is dissolved and kernel swells. The basic solution is poured off and the swollen corn repeatedly rinsed until the base is gone.

Green Chile Stew w/ Hominy

1/2 lb mild New Mexico green chiles, roasted, peeled, seeded, de-veined, and chopped.

2 lbs pork butt, with excess fat removed.

2 large onions, finely chopped.

4-6 cloves of garlic, crushed

2 quarts of chicken stock.

3 14oz cans of hominy.

1/2 tsp each cumin, ground cloves and cayenne pepper.

chopped cilantro and lime wedges for garnish.

Cut the pork into 1 1/2" cubes. In a 5-6 quart crock pot mix stock, onion, garlic, spices, chiles, and pork. Add water to make about 5 quarts. Cook on low for 6-8 hours depending on your crockpot (make sure the soup gets to a boil). 1-2 hours before serving, skim the broth, drain and add the hominy and adjust spices to taste.

Garnish with limes and cilantro when serving.

The heat level in this dish can be a bit unpredictable since to depends on the green chiles. I taste my chiles and modify the quantity accordingly. Of course if you're serving real New Mexicans this is way too mild :shades_sm

wyo_rose 02-15-2009 08:12 PM

Wow, cloves in green chili. Really? :tongue:

OLChemist 02-16-2009 02:06 AM

Yeap. It gives a bit of a different punch and some earthiness. One of my Indian (from India) colleagues suggested it. North Indian cuisine uses cloves with chiles a lot. Now if I could just figure out how he cooked cloves until they were soft and sweet....

The 1/2 tsp may be a bit much if your cloves are fresh.

wyo_rose 02-16-2009 04:20 PM

OK, I'll take your word for it and try this recipe.

Have you ever tried frozen hominy? That's the only kind my friend from N. Dakota uses for her posole. Has a little more body than canned.

I'm going to get brave and try to nixatamal my own corn someday soon.

Bodica 02-17-2009 02:21 AM

Thaks for all your help guys (esspecially the recipes, & where to buy blue cornmeal).
But I've looked at all my local farmer's market's, as well as my local Whole Foods, and none of them carry fresh blue, red, or multi-colored corn (at least not that's edible).
I really want some fresh blue, red, or multi-colored corn.
I'm thinkng about just giving up on finding some place that sells it, and growing my own, in my backyard.
The only problem is, I can't find the seeds anywhere, either.
Does anyone know anyplace where I can get some non-yellow/non-white corn seeds (prefferanly blue).
There's a fairly large local Pow-wow coming up nearby, next weekend.
Do you think I might have some luck there?

Bodica 02-17-2009 02:43 AM


Originally Posted by wyo_rose (Post 1267600)
OK, I'll take your word for it and try this recipe.

Have you ever tried frozen hominy? That's the only kind my friend from N. Dakota uses for her posole. Has a little more body than canned.

I'm going to get brave and try to nixatamal my own corn someday soon.

No, I've never seen frozen hominy.
Man you guys are mking me hungry. :embaresse :lol:
(stomach growls)

OLChemist 02-17-2009 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Bodica (Post 1267841)
Does anyone know anyplace where I can get some non-yellow/non-white corn seeds (prefferanly blue).

Don't be an anti yellow/white bigot, LOL. Heirloom yellow and white corns are the varieties cultivated prior to the development of high yield hybrids. In some cases they are the ancestors of modern hybrids, in others they are species that do not suit the needs of commercial agriculture.

You're not going to find an single strain of corn that is not the product of at least low-tech gene manipulation. Native people carefully selected and cross-breed corn varieties to produce cultivars every bit as tailored to their needs as those produced to support large-scale farming. Our ancestors breed literally thousands of strains designed to give the best yields and to resist the most pests and diseases in various climates. Corn is a product of both the Creator and man.

That said... I have no personal experience with this business, but they seem to sell many varieties of corn.

Heirloom Corn Seeds


Originally Posted by wyo_rose (Post 1267600)
Have you ever tried frozen hominy?

Yeap, I can't get it here but we had it in the markets in NM. It took a bit more cooking than the canned, but no where near as much as the dried.

caity 02-19-2009 12:15 PM

If you're interested in growing your own, you might try J. L. Hudson - they have red, black, green, blue, purple, and striped varieties in their current catalog. I've never grown corn, but I have had great luck with their other seeds, and their prices are fairly reasonable.

wyo_rose 02-22-2009 08:32 PM

Just don't get cross-pollinated.

injunboy 02-23-2009 07:44 PM

i didnt know what was required to make hominy right. i was always unsure how they puffed em up.

we make posole like super, just posole and meat.

add a crispy navajo fry bread and crisp green chili annd some salt.. holyy good stuff

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